Re: A Few Questions and Label Help Please

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Anybody?

Thanks

Angie

> I ordered the T-50 Mixed Tocopherols from Tony's. The suggested

usage

> rate is .5 to 2% of the total weight of oils. I will be using this

in

> salt scrubs (olive oil) and whipped shea butter cream. Do you think

> that .75 or 1% would be effective for these items?

>

> Also, what is the proper way to list the Tocopheral on my label?

>

> Now for the label question.

> My Salt scrub formula-

> Sodium Chloride 50% (Sea Salt and Celtic Sea Salt)

> Olive Oil 38%

> Jojoba Oil 10%

> Tocopheral 1%

> Phenonip 1% (Phenoxyethanol (and) Methylparaben (and) Ethylparaben

> (and)Butylparaben (and) Propylparaben (and) Isobutylparaben

>

>

> Ingredients: Sodium Chloride (Sea Salt, Celtic Sea Salt),Olea

> Europaea (Olive) Oil, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil,

> Tocopheral (Vitamin E), Phenoxyethanol (and) Methylparaben (and)

> Ethylparaben (and)Butylparaben (and) Propylparaben (and)

> Isobutylparaben.

>

> Am I close? haha

>

> Thank you!

> Angie

[Guest guest]

When I asked Tony, he told me the INCI name was " Tocopherols " .

Merin

> Anybody?

>

> Thanks

> Angie

>

>

> > I ordered the T-50 Mixed Tocopherols from Tony's. The suggested

> usage

> > rate is .5 to 2% of the total weight of oils. I will be using this

> in

> > salt scrubs (olive oil) and whipped shea butter cream. Do you think

> > that .75 or 1% would be effective for these items?

> >

> > Also, what is the proper way to list the Tocopheral on my label?

> >

> > Now for the label question.

> > My Salt scrub formula-

> > Sodium Chloride 50% (Sea Salt and Celtic Sea Salt)

> > Olive Oil 38%

> > Jojoba Oil 10%

> > Tocopheral 1%

> > Phenonip 1% (Phenoxyethanol (and) Methylparaben (and) Ethylparaben

> > (and)Butylparaben (and) Propylparaben (and) Isobutylparaben

> >

> >

> > Ingredients: Sodium Chloride (Sea Salt, Celtic Sea Salt),Olea

> > Europaea (Olive) Oil, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil,

> > Tocopheral (Vitamin E), Phenoxyethanol (and) Methylparaben (and)

> > Ethylparaben (and)Butylparaben (and) Propylparaben (and)

> > Isobutylparaben.

> >

> > Am I close? haha

> >

> > Thank you!

> > Angie

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Wow! I missed this one. Sorry!

>I ordered the T-50 Mixed Tocopherols from Tony's. The suggested usage

>rate is .5 to 2% of the total weight of oils.

Is " T-50 Mixed Tocopherols from Tony's " is the same as Covi-ox T-50?

The manufacturer of Covi-ox T-50 recommends 0.5% to 1.5%.

>I will be using this in

>salt scrubs (olive oil) and whipped shea butter cream. Do you think

>that .75 or 1% would be effective for these items?

For more information on Covi-ox T-50, go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo/files/Ingredients/COVIOX%20T50.pdf

1% Covi-ox T-50 should be just fine.

>Also, what is the proper way to list the Tocopheral on my label?

The INCI name for Covi-ox T-50 is Tocopherol.

>Now for the label question.

>My Salt scrub formula-

>Sodium Chloride 50% (Sea Salt and Celtic Sea Salt)

>Olive Oil 38%

>Jojoba Oil 10%

>Tocopheral 1%

>Phenonip 1% (Phenoxyethanol (and) Methylparaben (and) Ethylparaben

>(and)Butylparaben (and) Propylparaben (and) Isobutylparaben

How will you package this scrub? What size container? Wide mouth?

IMO, 1% Phenonip is overkill and is should be lowered. I'd try .3% to

..5%.

>Ingredients: Sodium Chloride (Sea Salt, Celtic Sea Salt),Olea

>Europaea (Olive) Oil, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil,

>Tocopheral (Vitamin E), Phenoxyethanol (and) Methylparaben (and)

>Ethylparaben (and)Butylparaben (and) Propylparaben (and)

>Isobutylparaben.

That's fine. Just leave out the (and) between the ingredients.

Other options are:

Option 1:

Sodium Chloride, Olive Oil, Jojoba Oil, Tocopherol, Phenoxyethanol,

Methylparaben, Ethylparaben, Butylparaben, Propylparaben,

Isobutylparaben

Option 2:

Sodium Chloride, Olive (Olea Europaea) Oil, Jojoba (Buxus Chinensis)

Oil, Tocopherol, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben, Ethylparaben,

Butylparaben, Propylparaben, Isobutylparaben

Option 3:

Sodium Chloride, Olea Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil, Simmondsia Chinensis

(Jojoba) Seed Oil, Tocopherol, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben,

Ethylparaben, Butylparaben, Propylparaben, Isobutylparaben

Personally, I like Option 1.

Maurice

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Maurice O. Hevey

Convergent Cosmetics, Inc.

http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com

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[Guest guest]

>That's fine.ÿ Just leave out the (and) between the ingredients.

from a recent post on CosmeticInfo:

>On Sun, 04 Aug 2002 06:28:03 -0000, gardengoddessjules wrote:

>

>>The FDA gives preference to CFTA ingredient names (i.e. INCI names)

>>according to their regs.ÿ CFTA names for products such as Germaben II

>>utilize (and) between ingredients, presumably to indicate that this

>>is a compound used as a single ingredient.ÿ I've been told by many

>>folks in the know, including some on this list, I believe, that this

>>is the correct way to list ingredients.ÿ This is also how the

>>manufacturers list their ingredient's INCI name.

>>

>>But today I was reading over the cfscan.fda website and there's

>>mention that using the (and) nomenclature is incorrect.ÿ Now I'm

>>confused...and I'm afraid I may have been giving out incorrect

>>information!

>

>Quoting from the ninth edition of the International Cosmetic Ingredient

>Dictionary "

>

> " In Section 6, Technical/Trade Names/INCI Names, the term " (and) " is

>used between individual ingredients to identify compounded mixtures or

>blends of ingredients. When labeling a finished product containing a

>trade name material that is a mixture or blend, each component of the

>mixture is required to be listed in descending order of predominance

>with respect to all ingredients in the formulation. In Section 6, each

>component of a mixture is listed in the descending order of

>predominance of the mixture, separated by the term " (and). " The term

> " (and) " should not be used when listing the ingredients on the finished

>product label. Information on the actual concentration of each

>component of such mixtures must be obtained from the supplier. "

Maurice

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Maurice O. Hevey

Convergent Cosmetics, Inc.

http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com

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>Phenonip 1% (Phenoxyethanol (and) Methylparaben (and) Ethylparaben

>(and)Butylparaben (and) Propylparaben (and) Isobutylparaben

And then, on Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:55:09 -0500, I replied:

>IMO, 1% Phenonip is overkill and is should be lowered.ÿ I'd try .3% to

>.5%.

Upon additional thought, I like to share some of additional comments

and thinking. Actually, you could use less Phenonip.

According to the manufacturer of Phenonip, the maximum recommended

level of Phenonip is 1%. And that level is recommended for systems

that are difficult to preserve.

You are adding 1% Phenonip to a product that is easy to preserve.

Further more, you are adding the maximum recommended level of Phenonip

to a product that will abrade the skin. Causing thousands of small

cuts and abraisions to the epidermis.

Human skin consists of three layers: the epidermis, the dermis (corium)

and the subcutaneous fatty tissue. The epidermis is the most

superficial layer of the skin, is about one-tenth of a millimeter

thick. It provides the first barrier of protection from the invasion of

foreign substances into the body.

I just feel that using 1% Phenonip in an anhydrous salt scrub formula

is looking for trouble.

Maurce

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Maurice O. Hevey

Convergent Cosmetics, Inc.

http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com

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Maurice wrote.

> I just feel that using 1% Phenonip in an anhydrous salt scrub formula

> is looking for trouble.

So which has the potential to cause more trouble; the preservative or the

risk of microbial contamination from wet hands or water?

Pat.

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[Guest guest]

>So which has the potential to cause more trouble; the preservative or the

>risk of microbial contamination from wet hands or water?

I'm guessing but I'd say that the risk of irritation and sensitization

is about the same as microbial contamination.

Maurice

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Maurice O. Hevey

Convergent Cosmetics, Inc.

http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com

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