Re: Re: Graves Hyperthyroid - when to seek endocrinology referral

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Could you tell me what the LLL tincture formula ratios are and what dosing?

Thanks,

Whittaker

Stanwood WA

Re: Graves Hyperthyroid - when to seek endocrinology referral

Hi Amy,Not sure when to refer in this situation, specifically, but I for sure when you feel it intuitively, of course. I have not had this type of patient experience, really, but have read and heard that raw broccoli and other goitrogens can slow down thyroid (like kale, pears, peaches, soybeans, spinach and caulifolower. Of course the 3 L's (Lycopus, Leonorus and Lemonbalm) in a tinture is often suggested. Also, high does multi and B vits as they would be used up so quickly. With the speeded up digestion and cosumption it would seem imperative to get his diet tightened up. Severe malabsorption and leaky gut/autoimmune could occur or be exasparated. And with those high antiobodies, isn't this Hashimoto's or the beginning? Brad West, NDLos Gatos, ca>> 34yo male ptc with a previous diagnosis of hyperthyroid - diagnosed 3> years ago. He had never received follow up care for this condition> after the initial diagnosis. His symptoms are constant shakiness,> occasional heart palpitations. He is thin and can't gain weight. Mild> exopthalmos. Nervous energy. Sleep is pretty good, Energy is good.> Doesn't exercise. Appetite large - "eats like a horse." Digestion is> fine.> > On PE, his thyroid is diffusely enlarged, no nodules. Heart rate was> 96 and BP was 162/92.> > Labs revealed: TSH <.010, Free T4 7.57, Free T3 >20.0, Anti-TPO >1300,> Anti-TG >500.> > Initial treatment plan> No gluten> Castor oil packs.> Magnelevures> Unda #'s 10.20.243 for thyroid drainage.> Thyroid II tincture from Wise Woman Herbals - 2 dropper full bid.> > He will be returning in one month and we will recheck thyroid labs.> My question is, has this gone on too long without treatment and is> this patient a guaranteed candidate for an endocrinology referral and> medical treatment? I've only seen him once so I don't have a good> sense yet for what his compliance level will be. He doesn't have> insurance. He would like to avoid surgery or pharmaceutical treatment> if possible. Are there other follow up tests I need to do in this case> to monitor his health? Also any suggestions for treatment. The> shaking/tremor was his chief complaint at this visit. Obviously, we> need to address the auto-immune component. > > Thanks for your help.> In health.> Amy Chadwick, ND> Palmer, AK>

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I used Lycopus- 2 parts, - 2 parts, and Lithospermum- 1 part. 30 drops, tid as a starting dose. The Lithospermum was harder to find as many companies don't carry it. I ended up getting it from Herbal Vitality in Sedona, AZ. Sharif, ND

Kent, WA

Re: Graves Hyperthyroid - when to seek endocrinology referral

Hi Amy,Not sure when to refer in this situation, specifically, but I for sure when you feel it intuitively, of course. I have not had this type of patient experience, really, but have read and heard that raw broccoli and other goitrogens can slow down thyroid (like kale, pears, peaches, soybeans, spinach and caulifolower. Of course the 3 L's (Lycopus, Leonorus and Lemonbalm) in a tinture is often suggested. Also, high does multi and B vits as they would be used up so quickly. With the speeded up digestion and cosumption it would seem imperative to get his diet tightened up. Severe malabsorption and leaky gut/autoimmune could occur or be exasparated. And with those high antiobodies, isn't this Hashimoto's or the beginning? Brad West, NDLos Gatos, ca>> 34yo male ptc with a previous diagnosis of hyperthyroid - diagnosed 3> years ago. He had never received follow up care for this condition> after the initial diagnosis. His symptoms are constant shakiness,> occasional heart palpitations. He is thin and can't gain weight. Mild> exopthalmos. Nervous energy. Sleep is pretty good, Energy is good.> Doesn't exercise. Appetite large - "eats like a horse." Digestion is> fine.> > On PE, his thyroid is diffusely enlarged, no nodules. Heart rate was> 96 and BP was 162/92.> > Labs revealed: TSH <.010, Free T4 7.57, Free T3 >20.0, Anti-TPO >1300,> Anti-TG >500.> > Initial treatment plan> No gluten> Castor oil packs.> Magnelevures> Unda #'s 10.20.243 for thyroid drainage.> Thyroid II tincture from Wise Woman Herbals - 2 dropper full bid.> > He will be returning in one month and we will recheck thyroid labs.> My question is, has this gone on too long without treatment and is> this patient a guaranteed candidate for an endocrinology referral and> medical treatment? I've only seen him once so I don't have a good> sense yet for what his compliance level will be. He doesn't have> insurance. He would like to avoid surgery or pharmaceutical treatment> if possible. Are there other follow up tests I need to do in this case> to monitor his health? Also any suggestions for treatment. The> shaking/tremor was his chief complaint at this visit. Obviously, we> need to address the auto-immune component. > > Thanks for your help.> In health.> Amy Chadwick, ND> Palmer, AK>

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