Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Hi Folks, I am posting this again....I'm not sure if my interpretations of this system are even correct, so if anyone has anymore information on these systems....please let us know. Thanks, Angie > > In a message dated 12/6/02 4:21:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, > maurice@... writes: > > > > > > >>Maybe Maurice has more info on this lamellar gel system. > > > >Try these links for now. > > > >http://www.ispcorp.com/products/hairskin/skincare/prolipid/index.html > >http://www.ritacorp.com/literature/acylndex.pdf > > > >Maurice > > Hi Maurice and All, > Great links! I actually have the ritacorp info on the lactylates, which I > think are very interesting and versatile. But the lamellar gel information > > from ISP is excellent! My interpretation of the lamellar gel system is > that > it 1) mimics the lipid structure of the skin and provides a > moisture-resistant, protective barrier which prevents moisture loss. 2) It > > is an effective water-resistant delivery system for " layers " of either > sunscreen or color cosmetics. 3) The oil phase is not distinct and is > instead incorporated within the lamellar structure and actually forms a > " gel " > in water type emulsion, which according to the manufacturer and others > has > a superior " feel " compared to typical w/o or o/w emulsions. > > Here are some questions that come to mind: > 1) The primary advantage of this system over w/o emulsions or even > petroleum > would be " feel " ? > 2) Can this system actually deliver any moisture to the skin or does it > just > prevent moisture loss? > 3) This system appears to be complete for its function, so expensive oils > or > water soluble nutrients would be wasted? > > This is interesting. > Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 >But the lamellar gel information >from ISP is excellent! My interpretation of the lamellar gel system is that >it 1) mimics the lipid structure of the skin and provides a >moisture-resistant, protective barrier which prevents moisture loss. " Because the ProLipid 141 lamellar system mimics the skin's own lipid structure, it enhances the skin's natural barrier function. This has been proven in clinical testing. " http://www.ispcorp.com/products/hairskin/skincare/prolipid/index.html IMO, this statement says nothing. Many things can mimic " the skin's own lipid structure " . And I sure that I could conduct a clinical study that would statistically demonstrate that my face cream enhanced " it enhances the skin's natural barrier function " . Look at the clinical study protocol. One leg was left untreated. Hello? >2) It >is an effective water-resistant delivery system for " layers " of either >sunscreen or color cosmetics. Maybe. I haven't tried ProLipid 141. >3) The oil phase is not distinct and is >instead incorporated within the lamellar structure and actually forms a " gel " >in water type emulsion, which according to the manufacturer and others has >a superior " feel " compared to typical w/o or o/w emulsions. I haven't SEEN anything. >Here are some questions that come to mind: >1) The primary advantage of this system over w/o emulsions or even petroleum >would be " feel " ? Since I do not use " lamellar gel systems " , I maybe prejudiced. I haven't SEEN anything that would cause me to use any of the ProLipids. I haven't SEEN anything that I couldn't do with simple emulsifiers that can be sourced from multiple locations anywhere in the US/UK/Japan at competitive prices. If you start using the ProLipid system, you're locked in. >2) Can this system actually deliver any moisture to the skin or does it just >prevent moisture loss? When you get your hand wet, you are adding moisture to the skin. I always add a humectant(s) to my lotions and creams to bring water to the skin. The oil phase, the emollients, help prevent TransEpidermal Water Loss (TEWL). I'm sure the all the fatty alcohols found in the ProLipid 141 would also reduce the TEWL. >3) This system appears to be complete for its function, so expensive oils or >water soluble nutrients would be wasted? Or used. Just a different perspective. Maurice Hi Maurice and All, Thanks for your thoughts Maurice. Even though I am interested in how the product works, I doubt very seriously that the ProLipid is something I'll be interested in selling. It is very expensive and ISP doesn't give any real discount on drums. Some folks I know have tried it and like it very much so I thought I would also give it a try and find out as much as possible about the product. Whenever I get my sample and a spare minute, I'll play with it to see what happens. As usual, I greatly appreciate your thoughts Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 >But the lamellar gel information >from ISP is excellent! My interpretation of the lamellar gel system is that >it 1) mimics the lipid structure of the skin and provides a >moisture-resistant, protective barrier which prevents moisture loss. " Because the ProLipid 141 lamellar system mimics the skin's own lipid structure, it enhances the skin's natural barrier function. This has been proven in clinical testing. " http://www.ispcorp.com/products/hairskin/skincare/prolipid/index.html IMO, this statement says nothing. Many things can mimic " the skin's own lipid structure " . And I sure that I could conduct a clinical study that would statistically demonstrate that my face cream enhanced " it enhances the skin's natural barrier function " . Look at the clinical study protocol. One leg was left untreated. Hello? > 2) It >is an effective water-resistant delivery system for " layers " of either >sunscreen or color cosmetics. Maybe. I haven't tried ProLipid 141. >3) The oil phase is not distinct and is >instead incorporated within the lamellar structure and actually forms a " gel " >in water type emulsion, which according to the manufacturer and others has >a superior " feel " compared to typical w/o or o/w emulsions. I haven't SEEN anything. >Here are some questions that come to mind: >1) The primary advantage of this system over w/o emulsions or even petroleum >would be " feel " ? Since I do not use " lamellar gel systems " , I maybe prejudiced. I haven't SEEN anything that would cause me to use any of the ProLipids. I haven't SEEN anything that I couldn't do with simple emulsifiers that can be sourced from multiple locations anywhere in the US/UK/Japan at competitive prices. If you start using the ProLipid system, you're locked in. >2) Can this system actually deliver any moisture to the skin or does it just >prevent moisture loss? When you get your hand wet, you are adding moisture to the skin. I always add a humectant(s) to my lotions and creams to bring water to the skin. The oil phase, the emollients, help prevent TransEpidermal Water Loss (TEWL). I'm sure the all the fatty alcohols found in the ProLipid 141 would also reduce the TEWL. >3) This system appears to be complete for its function, so expensive oils or >water soluble nutrients would be wasted? Or used. Just a different perspective. Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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