Re: NCH PC Tone Generator sqwvs (free)

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" brosanity " <delcrow@p...> wrote:

> Search Rife Square One and you get a picture of a freq

> generator (looks like $$$s). Download NCH (free)and your regular

> soundcard will do the trick.

Del, I know that you mean well, but the output from a regular

soundcard might not 'do the trick' depending on what he wants to do.

Soundcards are good at producing sinewaves.

Not so good at producing squarewaves.

The Square One is a waveshaper.

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" brosanity " <delcrow@p...> wrote:

> Are there any soundcards you can recommend?

Some soundcards only work well from around 20 Hz to 20000 Hz.

Others work well from 0 Hz to slightly greater than 20000 Hz.

You want one of the latter. Plus you want a full duplex soundcard.

The best person to ask about this would be Ralph Hartwell,

because he has looked at several of them,

and might even have makes/models/frequency response info...

> It sounds like Fred has tried the download and it didn't work.

> (Fred?)

I have no idea what you are referring to in the above sentence.

> The Geny-2 looks like and instals like a soundcard.

It's not a soundcard.

No offense to the guy that makes the Geny-2,

but if I were going to spend money on hardware,

then I'd get the Square One, because it is portable

(it isn't stuck inside your computer like the Geny-2)

and you can use other frequency generating programs with it.

Some laptops can't directly drive the SquareOne,

but you can stick an amplifier between the laptop

and the SquareOne.

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In a message dated 2/4/02 5:07:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,

delcrow@... writes:

> Hi, Duncan.....Search Rife Square One and you get a picture of a freq

> generator (looks like $$$s). Download NCH (free)and your regular

> soundcard will do the trick. Not all old PCs have a working

> soundcard. Post your results when you get running, eh? Del

>

>

Hi Del, been following your posts with interest...that's a good link...I

guess you've used NCH? Can it do positive offset DC squarewaves?

On another list they say you need the negative part of the wave to offset the

potentially harmful effects of +DC on the cells' wall......what's your

opinion?

I really appreciate what you're doing with the poorman posts..Thanks...

khepri

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In a message dated 2/4/02 6:28:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, fredw@...

writes:

> > Search Rife Square One and you get a picture of a freq

> > generator (looks like $$$s). Download NCH (free)and your regular

> > soundcard will do the trick.

>

> Del, I know that you mean well, but the output from a regular

> soundcard might not 'do the trick' depending on what he wants to do.

>

> Soundcards are good at producing sinewaves.

> Not so good at producing squarewaves.

>

> The Square One is a waveshaper.

>

>

Are there any Windows based programs that can modify the soundcards output?

Or do you have to run the output through another device to " square off " the

squarewave? Da dat dat..: )

khepri, total newbie, electronically illiterate...: )

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In a message dated 2/4/02 10:37:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,

delcrow@... writes:

> Hi Del, been following your posts with interest...that's a good

> link...I

> > guess you've used NCH? Can it do positive offset DC squarewaves?

> >

> No,I haven't used it and it might NOT " do the trick " as Fred says.

> But its free and if there is a soundcard on the old computer it's

> worth the try. I'm still trying to get something more definite on

> what waves the PC motherboard produces and had to download another

> oscilloscope since the winzip trial period ran out making a lot of my

> files useless. Being rich may be overrated but being poor is quite a

> nuisance at times.

I'm sure there's alot of Freeware over at the Ziff davis website for download

that will handle any WinZipped file....if I recall even WinZip uses pkzip to

zip and unzip files...last version I remember was 2.04g. It's an exe file...

According to the .pdf link I posted...you can make the output square or sine

or ?...I don't have the expertise to impliment such a task though....

.....Although, that might not stop me!: )

> > On another list they say you need the negative part of the wave to

> offset the

> > potentially harmful effects of +DC on the cells' wall......what's

> your

> > opinion?

> My opinion is " First time I've heard of it " On the other hand, my

> opinion is " be careful, but not paranoid about it. " Nice to hear

> from you, khepri. Good health, Long Life to you and yours. Del

> >

>

Nevermind, I think I was referring to electroporation.....ala Bob Beck....I

wonder, is the waves or the ma's that do it? Hmmmm.

khepri

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> In a message dated 2/4/02 5:07:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> delcrow@p... writes:

>

>

> > Hi, Duncan.....Search Rife Square One and you get a picture of a

freq

> > generator (looks like $$$s). Download NCH (free)and your regular

> > soundcard will do the trick. Not all old PCs have a working

> > soundcard. Post your results when you get running, eh? Del

> >

> >

>

> Hi Del, been following your posts with interest...that's a good

link...I

> guess you've used NCH? Can it do positive offset DC squarewaves?

>

No,I haven't used it and it might NOT " do the trick " as Fred says.

But its free and if there is a soundcard on the old computer it's

worth the try. I'm still trying to get something more definite on

what waves the PC motherboard produces and had to download another

oscilloscope since the winzip trial period ran out making a lot of my

files useless. Being rich may be overrated but being poor is quite a

nuisance at times.

> On another list they say you need the negative part of the wave to

offset the

> potentially harmful effects of +DC on the cells' wall......what's

your

> opinion?

My opinion is " First time I've heard of it " On the other hand, my

opinion is " be careful, but not paranoid about it. " Nice to hear

from you, khepri. Good health, Long Life to you and yours. Del

>

> I really appreciate what you're doing with the poorman

posts..Thanks...

>

> khepri

>

>

>

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>No offense to the guy that makes the Geny-2,

>but if I were going to spend money on hardware,

>then I'd get the Square One, because it is portable

>(it isn't stuck inside your computer like the Geny-2)

>and you can use other frequency generating programs with it.

>

>Some laptops can't directly drive the SquareOne,

>but you can stick an amplifier between the laptop

>and the SquareOne.

I was just wondering, wether or not this may be the problem I had with the

pcrife#3. It's got the square one built in. But I could never get it to work

with my pc because the pcrife#3 will only take input from the mother board

speaker, (you're supposed to go in and snip the wires and put in a mini jack,

and plug the pcrife#3 into that) But my pc doesn't have an on board speaker,

only a sound card. But my powerbook has a mono port and a stereo port. I

feel a bit of buzz ( electric shock) when I plug my pcrife#3 into the

monoport of my powerbook. Then I run virtual pc with windows 98. I have the

NCH tone generator and the rifegen software. But I just didn't feel like I

was getting enough power to be of any real help. I stopped tooth aches, and

head aches, but treating cancer I was a bit skeptical it could do much for

it. So what kind of amplifier would I need to boost the power? And how can

I be sure that the frequencies are what they're supposed to be with this

setup? Can I also get this setup to produce frequencies in the range of

dr. rifes original freqs. of 11,780.000, 1,604,000?

Thanks Klaus

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-Thanks to khepri (three cheers).......I recommend that everyone have

a good look at that http you posted, khepri. As I read it, and

interpolate......first, the internal speaker has to work to produce

sound......and it has to be programmed or 'set' to " square wave " to

produce sound......prerequisite then: make sure the speaker

wil " beep " at you. I feel much better now, thanks, I was

feeling " under attack " if you know what I mean. It appears then, we

do not require addition of any more gadgets or programs.

The " Poormans " (Holman setup) square wave as drawn on his diagram can

be in all liklihood drawn from the motherboard speaker wires

presuming the speaker was functioning (disconnect the speaker or it

becomes a 'short circuit' of what you are trying to do)

.. -- In Rife@y..., khepri3@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 2/4/02 10:37:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> delcrow@p... writes:

>

>

> > Hi Del, been following your posts with interest...that's a good

> > link...I

> > > guess you've used NCH? Can it do positive offset DC squarewaves?

> > >

> > No,I haven't used it and it might NOT " do the trick " as Fred

says.

> > But its free and if there is a soundcard on the old computer it's

> > worth the try. I'm still trying to get something more definite on

> > what waves the PC motherboard produces and had to download

another

> > oscilloscope since the winzip trial period ran out making a lot

of my

> > files useless. Being rich may be overrated but being poor is

quite a

> > nuisance at times.

>

> I'm sure there's alot of Freeware over at the Ziff davis website

for download

> that will handle any WinZipped file....if I recall even WinZip uses

pkzip to

> zip and unzip files...last version I remember was 2.04g. It's an

exe file...

>

> According to the .pdf link I posted...you can make the output

square or sine

> or ?...I don't have the expertise to impliment such a task

though....

> ....Although, that might not stop me!: )

>

>

>

> > > On another list they say you need the negative part of the wave

to

> > offset the

> > > potentially harmful effects of +DC on the cells'

wall......what's

> > your

> > > opinion?

> > My opinion is " First time I've heard of it " On the other hand,

my

> > opinion is " be careful, but not paranoid about it. " Nice to hear

> > from you, khepri. Good health, Long Life to you and yours. Del

> > >

> >

>

> Nevermind, I think I was referring to electroporation.....ala Bob

Beck....I

> wonder, is the waves or the ma's that do it? Hmmmm.

Magnetic impulses create an electric field. Radiowave appears to

work effectively the same as a magnetic 'Thumper' but immesureably

faster. Antenna length (Chars 'base pairs) might establish both

electrocution and resonance (and specific size electroporation?)

simultaneously.....which increases chances of specific targetting.

If " electroporation " is any problem (???) how come bacteria and virii

don.t seem to take advantage of it to infect more cells...(???) I

have used Beck information in 'unapproved' ways. It takes little

electricity to inhibit or kill unwelcome guests. It's best to

consider 'self-treatments' while a person still has the ability with

something 'natural' working in his/her system.

>

Good Health and Long Life to you and yours, Thanks Again, Del

> khepri

>

>

>

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Hi Gerhard; I'm aware that the out put of a sound card is stereo. The

laptop I'm using is a mac, running virtual PC with windows 98. It does not

control the computer in anyway. It's just another program running inside the

mac OS. And on this laptop I have 2 audio out puts a stereo and a mono. I

can run the pcrife#3 by plugging into the mono port. I don't have any of the

problems you're mensioning. Windows, emulates dos and shuts down all the

sound and stuff. I've been using " rifegen " a frequency generator program,

that will run frquency groups, that you can save and create all you want.

Klaus

>Be aware that the soundcard output is a stereo jack and the pcrife#3 a

>mono

>input.

>Therefore you must solder an adapter cable.

>

>In order to get the right output voltage for your soundcard, you must

>adjust the Master Out and Wave of the Windows Mixer to the desired

>position.

>In the Windows Setup all Windows-Sounds must be turned off. Otherwise the

>Windows sounds overlay the sound produced by the NCH generator.

>It is very unpleasantly if you run a smooth Rife Frequency and the Windows

>asterix sound shoots you in outer space!

>

>The Windows Power Management especially used by Laptops should be turned

>off, because when Windows goes to Power Save Mode it interrupts

>the wave from the NCH for 1-2 seconds.

>

>SUGGESTION FOR ALL RIFE-USERS:

>

>Every Rife-user should have an oscilloscope because you are responsible

>for

>the waves, you shoot in your body.

>From Voltcraft, Fluke, Radio Shack, Conrad electronic, ELV you can buy

>inexpensive digital measure instruments with scope functions.

>Otherwise you never can see if the waveform has the desired shape and

>voltage!

>I, for example, use the Voltcraft DSCOPE 707, a very handsome cheap measure

>instrument with true-rms measurement capability of AC.

>And I never let an unmeasured waveform in my body!

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khepri3@a... wrote:

> So I guess what the question should be is *how* square does

> a wave have to be to do the job?

A better question is: will someone die if this device doesn't

produce any effects because you didn't use a square enough wave?

My attitude towards this is rather conservative.

Squarewaves work. Sinewaves don't seem to work.

So stick with what works.

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In a message dated 2/6/02 12:13:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, fredw@...

writes:

> khepri3@a... wrote:

> > So I guess what the question should be is *how* square does

> > a wave have to be to do the job?

>

> A better question is: will someone die if this device doesn't

> produce any effects because you didn't use a square enough wave?

>

Del's not dead. Of course I'm assuming he's tried out his poormans....JH

isn't dead. Again, I have to assume he tries his out also...

How many others have died, who succeeded in building a poormans according to

the description producing not square enough waves...I'm sure the FDA or

somesuch is waiting with baited breath for that very thing to happen...

Are there studies showing the ill effects of rounded off square waves? What

are they and where are they?

> My attitude towards this is rather conservative.

> Squarewaves work. Sinewaves don't seem to work.

> So stick with what works.

>

One might as well say, " Stop experimenting and researching, there's nothing

new to learn..... " . Hmmm, I'll have to think on that some more....

khepri

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khepri3@a... wrote:

> > A better question is: will someone die if this device doesn't

> > produce any effects because you didn't use a square enough wave?

>

> Del's not dead. Of course I'm assuming he's tried out his

> poormans....JH isn't dead. Again, I have to assume he tries

> his out also...

I need to expand on what I wrote, especially

the " doesn't produce any effects " part of my sentence.

I'm not saying that these devices will directly hurt people.

I'm saying that they might not be effectiving at helping people.

Say you have someone with a fatal illness, who would be helped

with a properly functioning device.

Say you screw around with your device, making " ego improvements " ,

and end up with a device that " doesn't produce any effects " .

Say that person with the fatal illness uses your device.

If your device had been functioning then that sick person

could have been helped.

But your device isn't functioning so that sick person dies.

Unnecessarily. Because you decided that you wanted to screw

around with sinewaves when it wasn't known if sinewaves worked,

but it was known that squarewaves do work.

This isn't hypothetical - I've seen this scenario play out

before with Bare/Rife devices and engineers thinking that

they could do it better, while a sick relative was in the wings.