Re: Findings on Euxyl

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From: StratGuitar

To: Cosmeticinfo

>Sorry I haven't been back to the list in a couple of weeks!

I needed to respond to Pat's inqury and a comment re: Euxyl 700K 700

Tory, I know what Euxyl K700 is, it was you that inquired of the list about it

or an alternative preservative that didn't stink.

you wrote; New to the list -- and I'm newly learning to make creams and lotions;

I

decided to try Euxyl 700 - and I'm unhappy to say that it appears to have a

'scent' of its own... and while it's not unpleasant, it overrides the 'bare'

scent of the EO.<

What ensued was a conversation as to why you would choose a preservative that

the manufacturer recommends using in products with a pH of <5.5.

>First, I'm finding I'm happy with this preservative. The creams I made (3 of

them) have been sitting out for 3 weeks now; no sign of mold or bacteria.<

One of the reasons that it is called microbial contamination is that you need a

microscope to see it. If you are not following the manufacturers

recommendations, you could have problems that you are not seeing.

>Third, and most important, Pat - while I agree, irresponsible resellers aren't

good --- THIS particular seller has the information posted loud and clear on

their site, where it is easily found and easily understood. I read it before I

bought it. I also got explicit instructions with it when it arrived.<

If you were aware of all of this, then why did you write the following to the

list?

> I am most concerned that this preservative *was* offered for use with lotions

and creams. Appears that I have a lot to learn.

What might be an example of a product with a pH of less than 5.5? Looks like

I'm out a bit of $$. ::sigh::<

>I just didn't know anything about creams and lotions. I also know little about

what pH the product I'm making is going to be. I've now a pH meter, and have

learned how to adjust the pH responsibly.<

That was a wise investment.

Pat.

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> First, I'm finding I'm happy with this preservative. The creams I made (3 of

them) have been sitting out for 3 weeks now; no sign of mold or bacteria.

Second, the light 'scent' it has of its own has mainly disappeared, and the

scent of the E.O. is predominant.

You should know that the only way to check for microbial contamination

is through microbial testing. The aerobic plate count (APC) is used to

determine the level of microorganism in a product.

More information on the APC cam be found in the FDA's Bacteriological

Analytical Manual (BAM):

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~ebam/bam-3.html

BTW, an APC test should costs less than $10.

If the determination of microbial contamination were just a simple

matter of smelling and looking at a cream or lotion, we would have a

lot of microbiologists walking the streets.

In my 35 years of experience formulating personal care products, I've

seen numerous products rejected for microbial contamination. In each

and EVERY case, the products in question looked great and smelled

perfect.

> Third, and most important, Pat - while I agree, irresponsible resellers aren't

good --- THIS particular seller has the information posted loud and clear on

their site, where it is easily found and easily understood. I read it before I

bought it. I also got explicit instructions with it when it arrived. IN ADDITION

- after posting on this list, I also wrote and asked the reseller. They

responded with intelligence and a good knowledge of their product -- it's

obvious they are very aware of its capabilities and limitations and they were

VERY honest about that. I'm no sucker, and I'm a complete cynic - I can tell

quickly when someone is just 'pumping up their product' or delivering to me

their well-researched replies. I got the 'well-researched and prompt reply.'

Euxyl was easy to use and I'm no longer unhappy with it!

That's great. There are a number of commercial websites out there that

specialize in selling raw materials to homecrafters of personal care

products. Some of them, out of a lack of knowledge or ethics,

intentional deceive their customers in order to sell products. This is

one of the reasons why Pat started the CosmeticInfo list.

> I just didn't know anything about creams and lotions. I also know little about

what pH the product I'm making is going to be. I've now a pH meter, and have

learned how to adjust the pH responsibly.

A pH meter is a valuable tool in the preparation and manufacture of

personal care items.

> This is all MY learning curve, NOT the fault of the seller. I've been a patron

of that particular seller for many things for a long, long time - they answer

questions thoroughly and I've been delighted with everything I've gotten there.

I'm glad to see that Bill and Tina have cleaned up the " Snowdrift

Farms " website since they moved to Arizona.

> So, I retract the 'costly lesson' comment I made. I'm using this happily, and

will, of course, try alternatives. The main thing I chose this for is that it

contains no parabens. That's important to me, whether parabens truly contribute

to cancer or not. I don't care - I'm not taking any chances.

That's nonsense. Where in the world did you hear that? If you're

concerned about parabens causing cancer, you better stop eating bacon

and other smoked meats. You have a false and unsubstantiated fear.

> Finally, no, I'm not selling these - I give away my products to friends and

mainly use them myself. So far, all I've gotten is " WOW, what a nice lotion!!! "

But if I were, I'd be very confident of what I've got.

I'm sure that you wouldn't want to hurt yourself, family and friends.

Even a cosmetic contaminated with non-pathogenic bacteria can cause

significant harm to a user.

> Thanks for all your own observations, Pat. They are well appreciated. But I

didn't want you (or anyone on the list) thinking I got this product from a

less-than-reputable supplier. That simply wasn't the case. I do love learning

from you folks, but I'm also very loyal and caring about the suppliers I use.

They're chosen with extreme care and hearty recommendations from a few very

valued people who have proved their expertise in the soap and lotion arena.

We are all very happy for you.

Maurice

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Maurice O. Hevey

Convergent Cosmetics, Inc.

http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com