Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 Yoki, What is an INS value? This is a new one on me and I have been a chemist for over 28 years now. BTW, Books are always your best resource. The Internet is a great tool but there is often misinformation on it and you must be careful. FYI, it was several years ago that I mentioned to people both on this list and on predecessor lists the 's Industrial Fats and Oils Handbook. It is by far the most comprehensive resource on the subject that is published. I realize that money is a problem for many people and that I why I have also mentioned using libraries for this obtaining this resource. If you live in an area that has a university or college you can often visit this tome and copy the pages that you need for minimal costs. For Iodine values you may look in the Britannica. They have extensive information available. It may even be online at www.britannica.com. Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Products www.kylabs.com INS Values Can anyone point me, other than books, any online resources that will give a comprehensive look at the INS value and Iodine value for the oils that we use in our soapmaking? Thanks. Yoki I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy hill. Selah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 What is Kathy 's site??? Thanks le K. Fleming, Proprietor DK Mind & Body ~Your source for Natural Body Care Products 506 South Blakely St. Dunmore, PA 18512 www.dkmindandbody.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 wrote... > Yoki, > > What is an INS value? This is a new one on me and I have been a chemist > for over 28 years now The INS value as referred by Dr. Mc in his book " Essentially Soaps " the INS value represents the balance of the combination of oils used in soaps. He indicates to obtain a value of about 160. That should give you a hard bar of soap. That information was taken form the site ToiletriesTutorials on geocities. This is the exact URL http://www.geocities.com/toiletrytutorials/formulatingsoap.html I mentioned to people both on this > list and on predecessor lists the 's Industrial Fats and Oils > Handbook. It is by far the most comprehensive resource on the subject I have heard mention of this before, but it was never quite explained to me in a way that I could understand. I do hope that I will be able to access that book that I have heard mention on several lists now. I do not have that much stock that either of our local libraries or our university may even know of what I speak. but I will check after the holidays. Yoki I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy hill. Selah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 Yoki, You need to inquire about an interlibrary loan. They will find it and obtain it for you. The last edition that I had was edited by Swerin (sp?). That is unless you live in the sticks like I do so far back that they have to pipe sunlight in to you. ;>) Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Products www.kylabs.com Re: INS Values wrote... > Yoki, > > What is an INS value? This is a new one on me and I have been a chemist > for over 28 years now The INS value as referred by Dr. Mc in his book " Essentially Soaps " the INS value represents the balance of the combination of oils used in soaps. He indicates to obtain a value of about 160. That should give you a hard bar of soap. That information was taken form the site ToiletriesTutorials on geocities. This is the exact URL http://www.geocities.com/toiletrytutorials/formulatingsoap.html I mentioned to people both on this > list and on predecessor lists the 's Industrial Fats and Oils > Handbook. It is by far the most comprehensive resource on the subject I have heard mention of this before, but it was never quite explained to me in a way that I could understand. I do hope that I will be able to access that book that I have heard mention on several lists now. I do not have that much stock that either of our local libraries or our university may even know of what I speak. but I will check after the holidays. Yoki I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy hill. Selah Post message: Cosmeticinfo Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 They don't have to pump sunlight, but just about everything else..lol. I will inquire at any rate. Thanks. Yoki I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy hill. Selah Re: INS Values > > wrote... > > > Yoki, > > > > What is an INS value? This is a new one on me and I have been a > chemist > > for over 28 years now > > The INS value as referred by Dr. Mc in his book > " Essentially > Soaps " the INS value represents the balance of the combination of oils > used > in soaps. He indicates to obtain a value of about 160. That should give > you > a hard bar of soap. That information was taken form the site > ToiletriesTutorials on geocities. > This is the exact URL > http://www.geocities.com/toiletrytutorials/formulatingsoap.html > > I mentioned to people both on this > > list and on predecessor lists the 's Industrial Fats and Oils > > Handbook. It is by far the most comprehensive resource on the subject > > I have heard mention of this before, but it was never quite explained to > me > in a way that I could understand. I do hope that I will be able to > access > that book that I have heard mention on several lists now. I do not have > that > much stock that either of our local libraries or our university may even > know of what I speak. but I will check after the holidays. > > Yoki > I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy > hill. > Selah > > > > Post message: Cosmeticinfo > Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe > List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 Yoki, Kathy 's site has a spreadsheet that automatically figures it for you but, as far as my computer-barely-competant mind can tell, you can't just get the list from the site. You have to plug in a formula to get the values. I have the list from McFarland's book but, even that, is inadequate now with all the oils we have begun to use that he didn't consider when he wrote it. I've been looking for the information too so I could compile my own personal list. INS Values Can anyone point me, other than books, any online resources that will give a comprehensive look at the INS value and Iodine value for the oils that we use in our soapmaking? Thanks. Yoki I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy hill. Selah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 >I have the list from McFarland's book but, even that, is inadequate now with all the oils we have begun to use that he didn't consider when he wrote it. , I thought it was Bob Mc that wrote the book? In either case perhaps you could contact him and see if he is willing to do a update that could be posted to the web. If he is willing, I would be happy to put it in the files section. Pat. Peace, Joy, Serenity House of Scents tm. Body Oils, Fragrance Oils, Incense, Candles, Soap, Etc. pat@... http://www.houseofscents.com/ INS Values > > > Can anyone point me, other than books, any online resources that will give a comprehensive look at the INS value and Iodine value for the oils that we use in our soapmaking? > > Thanks. > > Yoki > I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy hill. > Selah > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 > Kathy 's site has a spreadsheet that automatically figures it for you but, as far as my computer-barely-competant mind can tell, you can't just get the list from the site. You have to plug in a formula to get the values. I have the list from McFarland's book but, even that, is inadequate now with all the oils we have begun to use that he didn't consider when he wrote it. > > I've been looking for the information too so I could compile my own personal list. Its not a magical number , its just an arbitrary calculated value set up to evaluate soap, and you can calculate it yourself. The INS number is simply the average Iodine value subtracted from the KOH sap value. eg for oil XYZ, if the KOH sap value is 195, and the Iodine value is 112, then the INS would be 195 - 112 = 83 When Mcs book first came out, he was on a number of soaping lists, and provided that information for people to calculate values for oils not included in the list in the book. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 Oops, yes, of course. I am absolutely cursed with never being able to remember names. Which is why I rarely go to parties....3 secs after an introduction, despite all the mnemonic tricks, I can't remember a thing. Thanks for catching that. I can imagine a group of people, cursing violently, while scouring Amazon for a book by " McFarland, DANG IT! " INS Values > > > Can anyone point me, other than books, any online resources that will give a comprehensive look at the INS value and Iodine value for the oils that we use in our soapmaking? > > Thanks. > > Yoki > I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy hill. > Selah > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 Here's the URL: http://millersoap.com/ Re: INS Values What is Kathy 's site??? Thanks le K. Fleming, Proprietor DK Mind & Body ~Your source for Natural Body Care Products 506 South Blakely St. Dunmore, PA 18512 www.dkmindandbody.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 I have not seen that on her site. I will have to check again. But I have always believed in first do it yourself before you enlist the aid of any machines to do your calculations for you. Once you understand the why behind the numbers, then you can take the easy road and use the calculators.<g> That is just me. But I can imaging that it will be hard to get a complete list now for the same reason that you mentioned Kathy. Yoki I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy hill. Selah ----- Original Message ----- > Kathy 's site has a spreadsheet that automatically figures it for you but, as far as my computer-barely-competant mind can tell, you can't just get the list from the site. You have to plug in a formula to get the values. I have the list from McFarland's book but, even that, is inadequate now with all the oils we have begun to use that he didn't consider when he wrote it. > > I've been looking for the information too so I could compile my own personal list. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 >the 's Industrial Fats and Oils Handbook. It is by far the >most comprehensive resource on the subject that is published. Thanks, for all of your insighe. Here is a link to a place that sells the complete volume set. https://www.aocs.org/catalog/product.asp?ID=W100 & dept=30 Have FUN soaping!! Ardy Fun Stuff Lessons www.funstufflessons.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 In-Reply-To: <1041488986.2146.42342.m13 > Hi , > What is an INS value? This is a new one on me and I have been a chemist > for over 28 years now. Dr Bob Mc uses what he calls 'INS' value to give a rough idea of the hardness of the finished soap. It's simply the SAP value for KOH minus the iodine value. Having played with it I don't find any great value in it for practical soapmaking although it gives me at least a rough idea if I'm working in the right ballpark. If anyone wants fairly comprehensive lists including iodine values, SAP for KOH and NaOH, INS, melting points etc, mail me and I'll send you a copy of my soap spreadsheet on which I have compiled info for a wide range of oils and which will calculate your recipes. cranmere2003 at excite.com will get to me if you make the obvious corrections PatS in Somerset, England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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