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Yoki,

What is an INS value? This is a new one on me and I have been a chemist

for over 28 years now.

BTW, Books are always your best resource. The Internet is a great tool

but there is often misinformation on it and you must be careful.

FYI, it was several years ago that I mentioned to people both on this

list and on predecessor lists the 's Industrial Fats and Oils

Handbook. It is by far the most comprehensive resource on the subject

that is published. I realize that money is a problem for many people and

that I why I have also mentioned using libraries for this obtaining this

resource. If you live in an area that has a university or college you

can often visit this tome and copy the pages that you need for minimal

costs.

For Iodine values you may look in the Britannica. They have extensive

information available. It may even be online at www.britannica.com.

Young

KY Labs

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Can anyone point me, other than books, any online resources that will

give a comprehensive look at the INS value and Iodine value for the oils

that we use in our soapmaking?

Thanks.

Yoki

I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy

hill.

Selah

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> Yoki,

>

> What is an INS value? This is a new one on me and I have been a chemist

> for over 28 years now

The INS value as referred by Dr. Mc in his book " Essentially

Soaps " the INS value represents the balance of the combination of oils used

in soaps. He indicates to obtain a value of about 160. That should give you

a hard bar of soap. That information was taken form the site

ToiletriesTutorials on geocities.

This is the exact URL

http://www.geocities.com/toiletrytutorials/formulatingsoap.html

I mentioned to people both on this

> list and on predecessor lists the 's Industrial Fats and Oils

> Handbook. It is by far the most comprehensive resource on the subject

I have heard mention of this before, but it was never quite explained to me

in a way that I could understand. I do hope that I will be able to access

that book that I have heard mention on several lists now. I do not have that

much stock that either of our local libraries or our university may even

know of what I speak. but I will check after the holidays.

Yoki

I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy hill.

Selah

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Yoki,

You need to inquire about an interlibrary loan. They will find it and

obtain it for you. The last edition that I had was edited by Swerin

(sp?). That is unless you live in the sticks like I do so far back that

they have to pipe sunlight in to you. ;>)

Young

KY Labs

Innovators of Fine Personal Products

www.kylabs.com

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> Yoki,

>

> What is an INS value? This is a new one on me and I have been a

chemist

> for over 28 years now

The INS value as referred by Dr. Mc in his book

" Essentially

Soaps " the INS value represents the balance of the combination of oils

used

in soaps. He indicates to obtain a value of about 160. That should give

you

a hard bar of soap. That information was taken form the site

ToiletriesTutorials on geocities.

This is the exact URL

http://www.geocities.com/toiletrytutorials/formulatingsoap.html

I mentioned to people both on this

> list and on predecessor lists the 's Industrial Fats and Oils

> Handbook. It is by far the most comprehensive resource on the subject

I have heard mention of this before, but it was never quite explained to

me

in a way that I could understand. I do hope that I will be able to

access

that book that I have heard mention on several lists now. I do not have

that

much stock that either of our local libraries or our university may even

know of what I speak. but I will check after the holidays.

Yoki

I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy

hill.

Selah

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They don't have to pump sunlight, but just about everything else..lol.

I will inquire at any rate. Thanks.

Yoki

I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy hill.

Selah

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> > Yoki,

> >

> > What is an INS value? This is a new one on me and I have been a

> chemist

> > for over 28 years now

>

> The INS value as referred by Dr. Mc in his book

> " Essentially

> Soaps " the INS value represents the balance of the combination of oils

> used

> in soaps. He indicates to obtain a value of about 160. That should give

> you

> a hard bar of soap. That information was taken form the site

> ToiletriesTutorials on geocities.

> This is the exact URL

> http://www.geocities.com/toiletrytutorials/formulatingsoap.html

>

> I mentioned to people both on this

> > list and on predecessor lists the 's Industrial Fats and Oils

> > Handbook. It is by far the most comprehensive resource on the subject

>

> I have heard mention of this before, but it was never quite explained to

> me

> in a way that I could understand. I do hope that I will be able to

> access

> that book that I have heard mention on several lists now. I do not have

> that

> much stock that either of our local libraries or our university may even

> know of what I speak. but I will check after the holidays.

>

> Yoki

> I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy

> hill.

> Selah

>

>

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Yoki,

Kathy 's site has a spreadsheet that automatically figures it for you but,

as far as my computer-barely-competant mind can tell, you can't just get the

list from the site. You have to plug in a formula to get the values. I have the

list from McFarland's book but, even that, is inadequate now with all the oils

we have begun to use that he didn't consider when he wrote it.

I've been looking for the information too so I could compile my own personal

list.

INS Values

Can anyone point me, other than books, any online resources that will give a

comprehensive look at the INS value and Iodine value for the oils that we use in

our soapmaking?

Thanks.

Yoki

I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy hill.

Selah

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>I have the list from McFarland's book but, even that, is inadequate now

with all the oils we have begun to use that he didn't consider when he wrote

it.

, I thought it was Bob Mc that wrote the book? In either case

perhaps you could contact him and see if he is willing to do a update that

could be posted to the web. If he is willing, I would be happy to put it in

the files section.

Pat.

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pat@...

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>

>

> Can anyone point me, other than books, any online resources that will

give a comprehensive look at the INS value and Iodine value for the oils

that we use in our soapmaking?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Yoki

> I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy

hill.

> Selah

>

>

>

>

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> Kathy 's site has a spreadsheet that automatically figures it

for you but, as far as my computer-barely-competant mind can tell, you

can't just get the list from the site. You have to plug in a formula

to get the values. I have the list from McFarland's book but, even

that, is inadequate now with all the oils we have begun to use that he

didn't consider when he wrote it.

>

> I've been looking for the information too so I could compile my own

personal list.

Its not a magical number , its just an arbitrary calculated

value set up to evaluate soap, and you can calculate it yourself. The

INS number is simply the average Iodine value subtracted from the KOH

sap value.

eg for oil XYZ, if the KOH sap value is 195, and the Iodine value is

112, then the INS would be 195 - 112 = 83

When Mcs book first came out, he was on a number of soaping

lists, and provided that information for people to calculate values

for oils not included in the list in the book.

Anne

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Oops, yes, of course. I am absolutely cursed with never being able to remember

names. Which is why I rarely go to parties....3 secs after an introduction,

despite all the mnemonic tricks, I can't remember a thing.

Thanks for catching that. I can imagine a group of people, cursing violently,

while scouring Amazon for a book by " McFarland, DANG IT! "

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>

> Can anyone point me, other than books, any online resources that will

give a comprehensive look at the INS value and Iodine value for the oils

that we use in our soapmaking?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Yoki

> I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy

hill.

> Selah

>

>

>

>

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I have not seen that on her site. I will have to check again. But I have

always believed in first do it yourself before you enlist the aid of any

machines to do your calculations for you. Once you understand the why behind

the numbers, then you can take the easy road and use the calculators.<g>

That is just me. But I can imaging that it will be hard to get a complete

list now for the same reason that you mentioned Kathy.

Yoki

I cried unto the Lord with my voice,and he heard me out of his holy hill.

Selah

----- Original Message ----- > Kathy 's site has a spreadsheet that

automatically figures it for you but, as far as my computer-barely-competant

mind can tell, you can't just get the list from the site. You have to plug

in a formula to get the values. I have the list from McFarland's book but,

even that, is inadequate now with all the oils we have begun to use that he

didn't consider when he wrote it.

>

> I've been looking for the information too so I could compile my own

personal list.

>

>

>

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>the 's Industrial Fats and Oils Handbook. It is by far the

>most comprehensive resource on the subject that is published.

Thanks, for all of your insighe. Here is a link to a place

that sells the complete volume set.

https://www.aocs.org/catalog/product.asp?ID=W100 & dept=30

Have FUN soaping!!

Ardy

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Hi ,

> What is an INS value? This is a new one on me and I have been a chemist

> for over 28 years now.

Dr Bob Mc uses what he calls 'INS' value to give a rough idea of the

hardness of the finished soap. It's simply the SAP value for KOH minus the

iodine value. Having played with it I don't find any great value in it for

practical soapmaking although it gives me at least a rough idea if I'm

working in the right ballpark.

If anyone wants fairly comprehensive lists including iodine values, SAP

for KOH and NaOH, INS, melting points etc, mail me and I'll send you a

copy of my soap spreadsheet on which I have compiled info for a wide range

of oils and which will calculate your recipes. cranmere2003 at excite.com

will get to me if you make the obvious corrections

PatS in Somerset, England

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