Guest guest Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:25:15 -0000, " mdy1608 " wrote: >Does anyone have any information on or ever used " Natural FO's " ? The website doesn't mention " natural fragrance oils. What this lady appears to be selling is essential oils. Many of my clients like to use all natural fragrances. Basically a natural fragrance is a blend of essential oils. > Has anyone run across any other suppliers of " Natural FO's " ? Most fragrance houses can do this for you. I've been get very good stuff from Shaw Mudge. >Is there any way of verifying that " no fillers " are used? I suppose you can tell by the price. Here are the INCI names of 7 different natural fragrances and the prices. Sandalwood (Santalum Album) Oil (and) Ylang Ylang (Cananga Odorata) Oil (and) Jasmine Egypt (and) Bergamot (Citrus Aurantium Bergamia) Oil ($496.00/lb) Olibanum Oil (and) Pogostemon Cablin Oil (and) Bamascena Flower Oil (and) Bergamot (Citrus Aurantium Bergamia) Oil ($1,246.00/lb) Carrot (Daucus Carota Sativa) Seed Oil (and) Pelargonium Graveolens Flower Oil (and) Ormenis Melticaulis Oil ($187.00/lb) Lavender (Labandula Augustifolia) Oil (and) Abies Sibirica Oil ($50.20/lb) Rosemary (Rosmarinus Officinalis) Oil (and) Sage (Salvia Officinalis) Oil (and) Ormenis Melticaulis Oil (and) Rose Damascena Flower Oil (and) Camphor (Cinnamomum Champhora) Bark Oil ($796.35/lb) Olibanum Oil (and) Cupressus Sempervirens Oil (and) Orange (Citrus Aurantium Dulcis) Flower Oil ($449.85/lb) Cananga Odorata Flower Oil (and) Aniba eodora (Rosewood) Wood Oil (and) Santalum Album (Sandalwood) Oil (and) Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Oil (and) Jasminum Officinale (Jasmine) Oil (and) Citrus Aurantium Amara (Bitter Orange) Oil ($37.60) Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 Goodmorning Maurice, I believe she is making a distinction between EO's and natural FO's on her website by method of extraction from botanicals. " Natural FO's " being extracted by means of a process which involves the use of solvents vs. cold-press or steam distillation in the case of EO's. I've never seen a " pomegranite " EO, but she offers a natural Pomegranite FO. Am I mistaken in thinking that solvents are not used in the extraction process of products labeled as " Essential Oils " ? Here's the relevant text from her webpage: " How are the Natural Oils different from Essential Oils? Essential oils are made from botanical essences extracted by one of two ways, steam distillation or by a cold-press. Natural Oils are made from botanicals as well, they include essential oils as well as absolutes. Absolutes are botanical essences extracted from plants with the use of solvents which are then removed leaving the plant oils behind. The process is similar to adding wine to a dish when cooking. The boiling point of the alcohol is less than that of the grape oils so you are left with the essence and taste of the wine without the alcohol. Some Aromatherapists believe there are trace elements of the solvents left in the absolutes that change the chemical make-up of the oils. Since the Natural Oils are not pure essential oils, no aromatherapeutic benefits can be claimed. How are the Natural Oils different from Fragrance Oils? Fragrance oils are made with synthetic chemical components. Synthetics can always produce an identical scent time after time. As far as aromatherapy benefits are concerned, science cannot replicate the molecular makeup of essential oils in the laboratory. Many Fragrance Oils are one-dimensional while the Natural Oils have a well rounded, multi-level characteristic to them. If you place a bottle of rose Fragrance Oil next to the Rose Natural Oil, there is no comparison as to which is the true-to-life scent. Have you ever noticed? When using pomace olive oil your batch traces much faster? This is because in order to get the most olive oil out of the final pressing, solvents are used to extract the oil from the seed. The same accelleration of trace can happen when using Natural Oils (some seem to be more suspect than others and are listed as such under the description). I strongly urge you to try sample size bottles of the Natural Oils before making a larger batch. Mixing at lower temperatures helps and so does lecithin (coming soon) for the really stubborn scents like sandalwood. Trust me, the Natural Oils really are worth the extra effort! " Mich > > >Does anyone have any information on or ever used " Natural FO's " ? > > The website doesn't mention " natural fragrance oils. What this lady > appears to be selling is essential oils. > > Many of my clients like to use all natural fragrances. Basically a > natural fragrance is a blend of essential oils. > > > Has anyone run across any other suppliers of " Natural FO's " ? > > Most fragrance houses can do this for you. I've been get very good > stuff from Shaw Mudge. > > >Is there any way of verifying that " no fillers " are used? > > I suppose you can tell by the price. > > Here are the INCI names of 7 different natural fragrances and the > prices. > > Sandalwood (Santalum Album) Oil (and) Ylang Ylang (Cananga Odorata) Oil > (and) Jasmine Egypt (and) Bergamot (Citrus Aurantium Bergamia) Oil > ($496.00/lb) > > Olibanum Oil (and) Pogostemon Cablin Oil (and) Bamascena Flower > Oil (and) Bergamot (Citrus Aurantium Bergamia) Oil ($1,246.00/lb) > > Carrot (Daucus Carota Sativa) Seed Oil (and) Pelargonium Graveolens > Flower Oil (and) Ormenis Melticaulis Oil ($187.00/lb) > > Lavender (Labandula Augustifolia) Oil (and) Abies Sibirica Oil > ($50.20/lb) > > Rosemary (Rosmarinus Officinalis) Oil (and) Sage (Salvia Officinalis) > Oil (and) Ormenis Melticaulis Oil (and) Rose Damascena Flower Oil (and) > Camphor (Cinnamomum Champhora) Bark Oil ($796.35/lb) > > Olibanum Oil (and) Cupressus Sempervirens Oil (and) Orange (Citrus > Aurantium Dulcis) Flower Oil ($449.85/lb) > > Cananga Odorata Flower Oil (and) Aniba eodora (Rosewood) Wood Oil > (and) Santalum Album (Sandalwood) Oil (and) Citrus Aurantium Dulcis > (Orange) Oil (and) Jasminum Officinale (Jasmine) Oil (and) Citrus > Aurantium Amara (Bitter Orange) Oil ($37.60) > > Maurice > -------------------------------------------------------- > Maurice O. Hevey > Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. > http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com > ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 Coming from a candle-making background, I have always considered FO's (Fragrance Oils) to be synthetic. They are a blend of chemicals designed to duplicate a certain smell. Essential Oils are natural. Jay Re: Natural FO's?? On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:25:15 -0000, " mdy1608 " wrote: >Does anyone have any information on or ever used " Natural FO's " ? The website doesn't mention " natural fragrance oils. What this lady appears to be selling is essential oils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 Maurice, Your prices per lb would preclude anyone buying from Shaw Mudge. Most fragrance oils available from the many companies who do this, range in price from $3 to $50+ per lb. They may be made up of essential oils in a carrier such as di-propylene glycol or isopropyl myristate (sp?) or they may be made of aromachemicals. What you are referring to are called essential oil blends. Well, Naturally At 11:08 AM 12/22/2002 -0600, you wrote: >On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:25:15 -0000, " mdy1608 " >wrote: > > >Does anyone have any information on or ever used " Natural FO's " ? > >The website doesn't mention " natural fragrance oils. What this lady >appears to be selling is essential oils. > >Many of my clients like to use all natural fragrances. Basically a >natural fragrance is a blend of essential oils. > > > Has anyone run across any other suppliers of " Natural FO's " ? > >Most fragrance houses can do this for you. I've been get very good >stuff from Shaw Mudge. > > >Is there any way of verifying that " no fillers " are used? > >I suppose you can tell by the price. > >Here are the INCI names of 7 different natural fragrances and the >prices. > >Sandalwood (Santalum Album) Oil (and) Ylang Ylang (Cananga Odorata) Oil >(and) Jasmine Egypt (and) Bergamot (Citrus Aurantium Bergamia) Oil >($496.00/lb) > >Olibanum Oil (and) Pogostemon Cablin Oil (and) Bamascena Flower >Oil (and) Bergamot (Citrus Aurantium Bergamia) Oil ($1,246.00/lb) > >Carrot (Daucus Carota Sativa) Seed Oil (and) Pelargonium Graveolens >Flower Oil (and) Ormenis Melticaulis Oil ($187.00/lb) > >Lavender (Labandula Augustifolia) Oil (and) Abies Sibirica Oil >($50.20/lb) > >Rosemary (Rosmarinus Officinalis) Oil (and) Sage (Salvia Officinalis) >Oil (and) Ormenis Melticaulis Oil (and) Rose Damascena Flower Oil (and) >Camphor (Cinnamomum Champhora) Bark Oil ($796.35/lb) > >Olibanum Oil (and) Cupressus Sempervirens Oil (and) Orange (Citrus >Aurantium Dulcis) Flower Oil ($449.85/lb) > >Cananga Odorata Flower Oil (and) Aniba eodora (Rosewood) Wood Oil >(and) Santalum Album (Sandalwood) Oil (and) Citrus Aurantium Dulcis >(Orange) Oil (and) Jasminum Officinale (Jasmine) Oil (and) Citrus >Aurantium Amara (Bitter Orange) Oil ($37.60) > >Maurice >-------------------------------------------------------- >Maurice O. Hevey >Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. >http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com >------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Post message: Cosmeticinfo >Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo >Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe >List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner >URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 Hello from the quintessential lurker, There is NO such thing as a 'natural' fo. All fo's contain chemical combinations that mimic the scent. EO combinations are not fo's. They're eo blends. HTH, " mdy1608 " wrote: > Good morning! > > Does anyone have any information on or ever used " Natural FO's " ? Has > anyone run across any other suppliers of " Natural FO's " ? Is there > any way of verifying that " no fillers " are used? > > Have a wonderful Sunday, > > Mich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 Actually, , those aren't all blends of essential oils. Some are obviously using absolutes and/or concretes, since essential oils of those botanicals don't exist. All that aside, however, a blend of essential oils wouldn't be considered a Natural Fragrance Oil? In my world it certainly would. Any oil used for purposes of fragrance meets my (and Health Canada's, incidentally) definition of a fragrance oil, whether it is made entirely of essential oils, concretes, absolutes, synthetic aromachemicals or a blend of the two. Jules/Vancouver BC > Maurice, > > Your prices per lb would preclude anyone buying from Shaw Mudge. > > Most fragrance oils available from the many companies who do this, range in > price from $3 to $50+ per lb. They may be made up of essential oils in a > carrier such as di-propylene glycol or isopropyl myristate (sp?) or they > may be made of aromachemicals. > > What you are referring to are called essential oil blends. > > > Well, Naturally > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 Sorry, , but I'll have to disagree with you like I did with . Not all FO's have to contain sythetics. I'm certainly not aware of any universal definition that requires all Fragrance Oils to contain synthetics. What would you call a blend of EOs and absolutes? It's certainly not an EO blend. It certainly is a oil used to provide fragrance. For the record, Sweetcakes and a few other suppliers used to carry (I don't know if they do anymore, I don't patronize them) a line of FOs that were synthetic-free. There was a cucumber, a grape and a few others I can't think of off the top of my head. Blends of essential oils (and probably concretes and absolutes) were used to get those particular smells without the use of synthetic aromachemicals. Jules/Vancouver BC > Hello from the quintessential lurker, > > There is NO such thing as a 'natural' fo. All fo's contain chemical > combinations that mimic the scent. > > EO combinations are not fo's. They're eo blends. > > HTH, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 Hi Jules, No, those would be considered an essential oil blend. Probably depends on how much of a purist one wants to be - some say that only steam distilled volatile oil qualify as essential oils, while some say that absolutes and concretes also qualify. Well, Naturally At 06:27 AM 12/23/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Actually, , those aren't all blends of essential oils. Some are >obviously using absolutes and/or concretes, since essential oils of >those botanicals don't exist. > >All that aside, however, a blend of essential oils wouldn't be >considered a Natural Fragrance Oil? In my world it certainly would. >Any oil used for purposes of fragrance meets my (and Health Canada's, >incidentally) definition of a fragrance oil, whether it is made >entirely of essential oils, concretes, absolutes, synthetic >aromachemicals or a blend of the two. > >Jules/Vancouver BC > > > > > Maurice, > > > > Your prices per lb would preclude anyone buying from Shaw Mudge. > > > > Most fragrance oils available from the many companies who do this, >range in > > price from $3 to $50+ per lb. They may be made up of essential oils >in a > > carrier such as di-propylene glycol or isopropyl myristate (sp?) or >they > > may be made of aromachemicals. > > > > What you are referring to are called essential oil blends. > > > > > > Well, Naturally > > > > > >Post message: Cosmeticinfo >Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo >Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe >List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner >URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2002 Report Share Posted December 23, 2002 I guess I'm a " purist " then, since I've never once heard a reputable source call absolutes and concretes " essential oils " before. Cold pressed oils, maybe, like the citruses, but never solvent-extracted things. Ironic that _I_ would be considered an essential oil purist! ROFLMAO! Still doesn't change my point, however, that a blend of natural ingredients intended for use as a fragrance would indeed meet any logical definition of a fragrance oil. If I'm wrong, I'd like to see the 'official' definition of a fragrance oil that says it has to contain either a carrier, base or synthetic aromachemical... Jules/Vancouver BC > Hi Jules, > > No, those would be considered an essential oil blend. > > Probably depends on how much of a purist one wants to be - some say that > only steam distilled volatile oil qualify as essential oils, while some say > that absolutes and concretes also qualify. > > > Well, Naturally > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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