Question re: MP soap bases and INCI names

[Guest guest]

> The ingredients I gave you are what our melt and pour soap base is made of,

(actually it is our main listing for most all of our soaps). No, Melt and Pour

soap does not need to contain

propolyne glycol. Our soap is an actual soap and thus is not regulated by the

FDA.

, if they gave you a complete list of ingredients in descending order it

should be possible to figure out the INCI names.

> Our Crystal Glycerine Soap bars that we have manufactured and sold in

grocery stores for over 30 years read this on the ingredient label:

> > Saponified Vegetable oils

> > Glycerine

> > Water

> > Moisturizer

> > Emulsifier

> > Finest Quality Essential Oils (if used)

> > Certified Food Colors (if used)

> >

> > We do not have INCI on file, because we do not need to use them

> with our soap.

It looks to me like their glycerin soap is a cosmetic, and as such, falls under

the FDA jurisdiction. You need the ingredients to be able to label properly. If

they won't give them to you, you can contact the FDA and explain to them that

your end product is a cosmetic and this company is refusing to give you the

ingredients in their base. Send along a copy of what they have provided, letting

them know that they claim it is a true soap. I would assume you will get your

ingredient list shortly afterward.

Pat.

Peace, Joy, Serenity

House of Scents tm. Body Oils, Fragrance Oils, Incense, Candles, Soap, Etc.

pat@...

http://www.houseofscents.com/

[Guest guest]

We are having a discussion on another group regarding the use of INCI names when

making soaps using a Melt and Pour Base. A woman emailed SFIC to get their INCI

names for their ingredients and was told

" quote from email "

> > -----------2nd e-mail from SFIC-------------------------

> > The ingredients I gave you are what our melt and pour soap base is made

of, (actually it is our main listing for most all of our soaps). No, Melt and

Pour soap does not need to contain

propolyne glycol. Our soap is an actual soap and thus is not regulated by the

FDA.

Our Crystal Glycerine Soap bars that we have manufactured and sold in grocery

stores for over 30 years read this on the ingredient label:

> > Saponified Vegetable oils

> > Glycerine

> > Water

> > Moisturizer

> > Emulsifier

> > Finest Quality Essential Oils (if used)

> > Certified Food Colors (if used)

> >

> > We do not have INCI on file, because we do not need to use them

> with our soap.

The question is - their labels DO say things like moisturizing, etc...don't they

have to use INCI names or at least have them? They sell their soap base and

many of the members of the other list use them and are concerned about following

the correct procedures/laws. The group also has a question regarding using

alcohol to make a clear base - is it possible to make a completely clear MP base

without using alcohol or having alcohol as an end result of the process?

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Here is what I got in reply when I asked them earlier this month what

the ingredients to their M & P bases are. I hope this helps...

> Here are all of our liquid product ingredients along with our 'main'

> ingredient listing for our melt and pour soap. Our melt and pour soap

> bases are actual soap (except for the extra clear that does have some

> detergent in it) With this listing for the oatmeal base, just add

> oatmeal. The Olive oil or castile base, put Olive Oil as the main oil

> etc.

>

> Thank you for your question!

>

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> Glycerine Soap Ingredients

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> Coconut Oil

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> Palm Oil

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> Castor Oil

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> Safflower Oil

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> Glycerine (kosher, of vegetable origin)

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> Purified Water

>

> Sodium Hydroxide (saponifying agent)

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> Sorbitol (from berries, moisturizer)

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> Sorbitan oleate (emulsifier)

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> Soy bean protein (conditioner)

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> Titanium Dioxide (mineral whitener in opaque soaps)

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>

heather L wrote:

>We are having a discussion on another group regarding the use of INCI names

when making soaps using a Melt and Pour Base. A woman emailed SFIC to get their

INCI names for their ingredients and was told

>

> " quote from email "

>

>> > -----------2nd e-mail from SFIC-------------------------

>> > The ingredients I gave you are what our melt and pour soap base is made

of, (actually it is our main listing for most all of our soaps). No, Melt and

Pour soap does not need to contain

>>

>propolyne glycol. Our soap is an actual soap and thus is not regulated by the

FDA.

>Our Crystal Glycerine Soap bars that we have manufactured and sold in grocery

stores for over 30 years read this on the ingredient label:

>

>> > Saponified Vegetable oils

>> > Glycerine

>> > Water

>> > Moisturizer

>> > Emulsifier

>> > Finest Quality Essential Oils (if used)

>> > Certified Food Colors (if used)

>> >

>> > We do not have INCI on file, because we do not need to use them

>> with our soap.

>>

>

>The question is - their labels DO say things like moisturizing, etc...don't

they have to use INCI names or at least have them? They sell their soap base

and many of the members of the other list use them and are concerned about

following the correct procedures/laws. The group also has a question regarding

using alcohol to make a clear base - is it possible to make a completely clear

MP base without using alcohol or having alcohol as an end result of the process?

>

Best wishes-

Lynda

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Lynda Sorenson

http://www.Luna-Aromatics.com