Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 >I have some recipes that are for " natural " shower and bath gels. The surfactants that are used are coco betaine, polyglucose, coco collagen and collegan quat. I know there are also blends of surfactants available for use. My question is are they actual a natural product or a synthetic creation BASED on a natural product? If they are synthetic can they really be called " natural " ? I'm wondering if this is like the ewax description of sorbitan coming from sorbitol in mountain ash berries ;-) " [C]oco betaine, polyglucose, coco collagen and collegan quat are surface active agents derived from natural ingredients. >I'm asking because there is someone I know who will inevitably ask me this and I would like have an intelligent answer, rather than " Gee, I don't know-that's what someone told me " . I'm looking for a mild surfactant because even though I make my own bar soap, I still prefer shower/bath gels because I live in an area with extremely hard water. The soap scum is unbelievable and the drains clog more frequently.ÿ Yech! I agree. >I have a natural baby shampoo and bodywash made by California Baby and to be honest, I think it's awful. It is very drying and aggravates my daughter's psoriasis. The ingredients on the label as written are: > >Aloe vera >decyl polyglucose (extracts of coconut, corn and palm) >vit. E >kukui nut oil >jojoba oil >citrus seed extract >babassu oil >vitamin B-5 >methyl/propyl paraben (small amount of food grade preservative) >our special aromatherapy blend of essential oils >I thought decyl polyglucose was supposed to be a mild surfactant, but I can't see anything else in here that is a cleansing agent. Are the natural surfactants all similar in their cleansing abilities because if this is the way they feel I'd rather not bother with them after all. As listed, this is not a valid ingredient list. So I can only imagine what is not listed. Maurice ------------------------ Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 As listed, this is not a valid ingredient list. So I can only imagine what is not listed. Maurice, Why is this not a valid ingredient list? I know it doesn't use INCI names but what ingredients would be missing? I don't see a thickener, is that it? I also have not come across a recipe that uses only the polyglucose as a surfactant-so my guess is that they are missing another one? Would the parabens themselves be a sufficient preservative or is it likely that other preservatives aren't listed either? I'm just curious since I have already made the decision not to use this product. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 >Why is this not a valid ingredient list? I know it doesn't use INCI names >but what ingredients would be missing? I don't see a thickener, is that it? How about water and an effective preservative system. >I also have not come across a recipe that uses only the polyglucose as a >surfactant-so my guess is that they are missing another one? That's a good guess. >Would the >parabens themselves be a sufficient preservative or is it likely that other >preservatives aren't listed either? Only God and, maybe, the manufacturer knows for sure. A poorly labeled product is usually a poorly formulated product. Maurice ------------------------ Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 In a message dated 6/3/02 12:52:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, coffeymb@... writes: > I have some recipes that are for " natural " shower and bath gels. The > surfactants that are used are coco betaine, polyglucose, coco collagen and > collegan quat. I know there are also blends of surfactants available for > use. My question is are they actual a natural product or a synthetic > creation BASED on a natural product? If they are synthetic can they really > be called " natural " ? I'm wondering if this is like the ewax description of > sorbitan coming from sorbitol in mountain ash berries ;-) > > I'm asking because there is someone I know who will inevitably ask me this > and I would like have an intelligent answer, rather than " Gee, I don't > know-that's what someone told me " . I'm looking for a mild surfactant > because even though I make my own bar soap, I still prefer shower/bath gels > because I live in an area with extremely hard water. The soap scum is > unbelievable and the drains clog more frequently. > > I have a natural baby shampoo and bodywash made by California Baby and to > be honest, I think it's awful. It is very drying and aggravates my > daughter's psoriasis. The ingredients on the label as written are: > > Aloe vera > decyl polyglucose (extracts of coconut, corn and palm) > vit. E > kukui nut oil > jojoba oil > citrus seed extract > babassu oil > vitamin B-5 > methyl/propyl paraben (small amount of food grade preservative) > our special aromatherapy blend of essential oils > > I thought decyl polyglucose was supposed to be a mild surfactant, but I > can't see anything else in here that is a cleansing agent. Are the natural > surfactants all similar in their cleansing abilities because if this is the > way they feel I'd rather not bother with them after all. > > Thanks, > > > > Hi , I am not clear on exactly what you are asking. If you have an interest in making very mild shampoo/body wash, you may want to try the surfactant blends that I sell. I carry three different blends: 1) Polyglucose/Lactylate Blend - INCI name: decyl glucoside and sodium lauroyl lactylate 2) Cocobetaine Blend - INCI name: cocamidopropyl betaine and sodium caproyl lactylate 3) Polyfactant DLS - INCI name: Decyl glucoside and disodium laureth sulfosuccinate Some of these ingredients are naturally derived, but to me the real question to ask is whether or not the ingredient has any negative health consequences, ie. is it mild, non-irritating, etc. These surfactants are all pretty benign and quite mild. Perhaps the problem with your previous shampoo is with the formulation, rather than the surfactants? The ingredients you list sound ok to me, but since they aren't in compliance with the labeling regulations, then perhaps they aren't inclusive either? If you have an interest, you can find these surfactants at: http://www.theherbarie.com/sufac.html Let me know if I can help. Angie The Herbarie...Visit us at: http://www.theherbarie.com for Body Care Products and Bulk Ingredients...Botanical Extracts and Proteins, Ultra-Mild Surfactant Blends, Conditioning Emulsifiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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