Guest guest Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 I don't think anyone ever answered the original question about whether DMSO would help with allergies or not. Anyone know? Guy - How much MSM do you take? Is this just for periods of reaction or full time? I'm never without MSM. I buy it in bulk and go through about 10# a year but the majority is for animal use. I'm confident with that but I'm a bit vague on human use. Home remedy lore is that you consume locally produced items such as goat's milk and honey. That theory works for me and I understand the reasoning. When we first moved from the Big City to the Ozarks, I was raising dairy goats and you could get local honey anywhere. My husband did not have allergies in the city or for the first five years in the Ozarks. We then moved to a different farm and the 'fun' began. We no longer have goats and Jerry's symptoms have gone from bad to worse. He has sinus problems non-stop - periodic sinus infections, headaches, and everything else that could be related to allergies. Pollen definitely makes things worse but he has problems year around. He went the whole allopathic allergy route with the testing (multiple reactions) and weekly shots for years. That may have prevented the most severe infections/reactions but it definitely was not a cure. Umpteen $$ later, he quit the shots. Now I'm trying to find something that might help, even if it's a long shot. He's not going to do any sort of complicated thing like the cleanse and diet restrictions would be hit or miss. Some days the pollen is so bad that you have to clean the windshield on the car before you can drive. I do have some problems which are likely related, like a drippy nose, but it is nothing to compare to Jerry and it doesn't bother me all that much. I'm looking for something which might help, like DMSO or MSM, that I can get him to take on a regular basis. It's got to be simple or he won't do it. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 After I read someone's testimony about the tripe I ate it for the 2-3 weeks it took and it worked, but I've told many people about it and most are probably put off by the idea and don't do it or benefit. > I'm looking for something which might help, like DMSO or MSM, that I > can get him to take on a regular basis. It's got to be simple or he > won't do it. > > a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Sounds like there are more than one of us with allergies/asthma!Hi,Well, if he isn't going to do anything complicated, no point into going intodetails.I'm up for hearing details as my husband is desperate enough to now try things he would not have considered before.Might check into nettles at a health food store. Supposed to counterallergic reactions.I make a very thick nettle tea, affectionately called "Gak" which does help a little.You mentioned he is allergic to wheat? In my part of the country the wheatis pollinating. Maybe it is partly seasonal?The wheat sensitivity is my husband's--not a's. But perhaps Jerry is sensitive to wheat too?MaraI drove by many miles of pollinating corn fields a few years ago and hadsuch a severe reaction, that even my one track mind caught it. Must havebeen GMO. That is what they plan for everything, corn, wheat, alfalfa andyou name it.Maybe a helmet bubble with an air filter is our future?Maybe a simple air mask would help, like the ones you see the Chinese wearto avoid airborne diseases.Jean*****************We no longer have goats and Jerry's symptoms have gone from> bad to worse. He has sinus problems non-stop - periodic sinus> infections, headaches, and everything else that could be related to> allergies. Pollen definitely makes things worse but he has problems> year around.> > He went the whole allopathic allergy route with the testing (multiple> reactions) and weekly shots for years. That may have prevented the> most severe infections/reactions but it definitely was not a cure.> Umpteen $$ later, he quit the shots. Now I'm trying to find something> that might help, even if it's a long shot. He's not going to do any> sort of complicated thing like the cleanse and diet> restrictions would be hit or miss. Some days the pollen is so bad> that you have to clean the windshield on the car before you can> drive. I do have some problems which are likely related, like a> drippy nose, but it is nothing to compare to Jerry and it doesn't> bother me all that much.> >> a> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 > > Sounds like there are more than one of us with allergies/asthma! > Mara Our son had both asthma and allergies. When he was in the fifth grade we had a friend suggest we take him to a chiropracter. We were very main stream back then and didn't believe it could help. The chiropracter had a free day and our friend called and asked us to go. We did. Our son's asthma went away immediately. To this day if he (now 30) feels the asthma coming on he goes to the chiropracter. To help with the allergies in the house (he was allergic to just about everything in Florida) we bought a Rainbow vacuum cleaner which has a water bath that the incoming dust and dirt is deposited in so it doesn't go back out into the room. We also use eucalyptus oil in the water bath to kill things in the air. The vac is still going strong after 15 yrs. We also bought an air filter machine by EcoQuest. It has the special light in it that kills virus (NASA technology) and also puts out some ozone. It is supposed to take care of mold, virus and bacteria in the air. This helped him tremendously and he can even tolerate having a dog which he is allergic to. When the light shines thru the room you don't see any dust particles in the air. It does however make the need for dusting more frequently as it knocks everything out of the air and it settles on the furniture. We went to leather furniture so we could clean it more easily. We also did away with all carpeting. This has made things much more comfortable for all of us. Dianne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 We went back " home " this weekend to visit family, 160 miles west & inland from here at the coast (North Carolina). We haven't lived there for 23 years. The two places are very different climates. Wife, son and I helped some of the family get up some hay. It was fescue grass hay. Wife and I grew up with fescue. Our son was born there but didn't really grow up there. Within an hour, he had hives. We had to force him to stop working, take a bath and take benadryl because that's all anybody had at the time. We all watched him but he recovered. He has never had hives before. Wife had no reactions, but she's the one who grew up on family raised raw milk, beef, pork, eggs and vegetables. She never reacts to anything. To my huge surprise, I reacted to it. I had coughing fits, sore puffy scratchy eyes, and by the next morning had small whelps on my legs where hay bales brushed against my legs while wearing shorts, and had mild vertigo. I still have just a bit of vertigo. I'm preparing a new eye wash solution of CS & MSM today. I'll take MSM also. Tomorrow, I'll take my DMSO. Here at the coast fescue won't grow so I've lost my resistance to it. It took years for me to develop resistance to local coastal flora and that has been hugely aided by local raw honey. Now my Mom is going to look for some local raw honey around her, for my son and I to take. Daddybob No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1456 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 6:45 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Are you sure the hay was organic? Jane > We went back " home " this weekend to visit family, 160 miles west & inland > from here at the coast (North Carolina). We haven't lived there for 23 > years. The two places are very different climates. > > Wife, son and I helped some of the family get up some hay. It was fescue > grass hay. Wife and I grew up with fescue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 >Are you sure the hay was organic?< Yes. Nothing on that grass but rain. The bales were very dry and dusty, dust got all over us and up our noses. We were in a hurry to beat rain, should've had long pants, long sleeves and face masks, but... My wife didn't actually handle it, she just drove the truck. Only my son and I handled it. There were other helpers but they live there so they didn't react. I easily understood my son's reaction since he had never been exposed, but I was very surprised at my own reaction because I grew up doing this. DB No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1460 - Release Date: 5/22/2008 7:06 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Was it endophyte free fesuce? If not then it may be be infect with mold. Garnet ransley wrote: >> Are you sure the hay was organic?< > > Yes. Nothing on that grass but rain. The bales were very dry and dusty, dust > got all over us and up our noses. We were in a hurry to beat rain, should've > had long pants, long sleeves and face masks, but... > > My wife didn't actually handle it, she just drove the truck. Only my son and > I handled it. There were other helpers but they live there so they didn't > react. I easily understood my son's reaction since he had never been > exposed, but I was very surprised at my own reaction because I grew up doing > this. > > DB > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1460 - Release Date: 5/22/2008 > 7:06 AM > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Home Page: > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > > Books: > DMSO Nature's Healer by Morton > MSM The Definitive Guide by Stanely MD and Appleton, NDYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 TALL FESCUE Festuca arundinacea (grass family) TOXICITY RATING: Moderate to high, depending upon individual circumstance. ANIMALS AFFECTED: Horses, cattle, possibly other ruminants. DANGEROUS PARTS OF THE PLANT: Seed head, stem and leaf sheath. CLASS OF SIGNS: Reproductive problems, "poor doers", lameness, dry gangrene, fever, death. PLANT DESCRIPTION: This grass (fig. 15), often cultivated in wet pastures for forage or for turf, is a perennial, 3 to 4 foot tall clump grass with medium-wide leaves that are rough-ribbed on top. It has no rootstocks (rhizomes). The heads are open and many-branched. Escaped plants may be found along roadsides and in waste areas, especially in the southern half of the state. SIGNS: Toxicity is the result of an endophytic ("inside the plant") fungus, Acremonium coenophialum, which is believed to enable the grass to be more hardy and outcompete other grass species. The grass itself is not toxic. The fungus is passed in the seed, and is not transmitted directly from plant to plant. In horses, pregnant mares are most at risk when eating fescue, since the alkaloids produced by the fungus inhibit prolactin release. Mares will have an increased risk of prolonged gestation, abortion, stillbirth, dystocia (difficult birth), foal mortality, retained or thickened placenta, no milk, and mare death (in foaling, or from a retained placenta). In cattle, several syndromes have been reported, including fescue toxicosis (summer slump), fescue foot and abdominal fat necrosis. Summer slump causes slower gains, decreased milk production, poor appetite, retention of winter coat, reproductive problems, and elevated temperature. Diarrhea may also be present. Summer slump tends to occur in the warmer months, but has been noted at any time of year, and is the most common of the three syndromes. Fescue foot tends to develop in the late fall and winter, and the extremities (typically tail, ears, and rear feet) undergo necrosis ("death"). Another name for this type of necrosis is "dry gangrene". Fat necrosis develops when areas of fat inside the abdomen die. Additional note: Fescue can accumulate nitrates under conditions of overfertilization (see the section on oats for more information on nitrate toxicosis). FIRST AID: There is only supportive and symptomatic treatment once signs appear. A veterinarian can advise on treatment of more severely affected animals. Pregnant mares will be likely to need assistance when foaling and in the post-foaling period. Foals that survive will require supplemental colostrum. Management and prevention are the best means to minimize losses. SAFETY IN PREPARED FEEDS: The toxin remains active in hay. PREVENTION: There are several options, depending on the farm situation. Fungicides do not work, so animal and pasture management are the only viable alternatives. Pastures can be tested for the presence and degree of fungal contamination, and reseeding may be required. If reseeding the pasture is not feasible, keeping the pasture short will prevent seed formation. Feeding other forages, such as other warm season grasses or legumes, will be of benefit. Fescue pastures can also be diluted with legume planting (red or white clover). Heavy fertilization may make the problem worse, especially in cattle. If fescue has to be used for mares, at least avoid feeding fescue hay or pasture during the last 30 to 60 days of gestation to minimize problems. Endophyte-free strains of fescue exist, although they do not grow as well as tall fescue with endophyte. ransley wrote: Huh? Wha? Never heard of this. More input needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 I recently started using a box fan with a 3M Filtrete filter and a less expensive prefilter taped to the box fan. The prefilter catches the big particulates and spares the more expensive filtrete for the smaller particles. I run one fan on high when I am not in the room and on low when I am, due to the irritation factor from the fan noise -- for each 200 sqaure feet in my house. It helps tremendously with the air borne particulates, our allergy and asthma symptoms are less and we do not have to dust as often! <smile> Oh and I think it may also help reduce odors in our house. We live with ten Australian Shepherds in the house, lots of hair and dirt that they track in. Putting out large mats at the outside doors also helps. I bought three by four foot mats at Sam's Club. Garnet darby366 wrote: > >> Sounds like there are more than one of us with allergies/asthma! >> > Mara > > Our son had both asthma and allergies. When he was in the fifth grade > we had a friend suggest we take him to a chiropracter. We were very > main stream back then and didn't believe it could help. The > chiropracter had a free day and our friend called and asked us to go. > We did. Our son's asthma went away immediately. To this day if he > (now 30) feels the asthma coming on he goes to the chiropracter. > > To help with the allergies in the house (he was allergic to just about > everything in Florida) we bought a Rainbow vacuum cleaner which has a > water bath that the incoming dust and dirt is deposited in so it > doesn't go back out into the room. We also use eucalyptus oil in the > water bath to kill things in the air. The vac is still going strong > after 15 yrs. We also bought an air filter machine by EcoQuest. It > has the special light in it that kills virus (NASA technology) and > also puts out some ozone. It is supposed to take care of mold, virus > and bacteria in the air. This helped him tremendously and he can even > tolerate having a dog which he is allergic to. > > When the light shines thru the room you don't see any dust particles > in the air. It does however make the need for dusting more frequently > as it knocks everything out of the air and it settles on the furniture. > We went to leather furniture so we could clean it more easily. We also > did away with all carpeting. This has made things much more > comfortable for all of us. > > Dianne > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Home Page: > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > > Books: > DMSO Nature's Healer by Morton > MSM The Definitive Guide by Stanely MD and Appleton, NDYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Quercetin with Bromelain (herbsmd. com, NOW brand) and Nettles help me during Cedar Fever and other pollen allergy seasons. I have heard that a liver / gall bladder cleanse can eliminate pollen allergies. Garnet Baugh wrote: > Hi, > > Well, if he isn't going to do anything complicated, no point into going into > details. > > Might check into nettles at a health food store. Supposed to counter > allergic reactions. > > You mentioned he is allergic to wheat? In my part of the country the wheat > is pollinating. Maybe it is partly seasonal? > > I drove by many miles of pollinating corn fields a few years ago and had > such a severe reaction, that even my one track mind caught it. Must have > been GMO. That is what they plan for everything, corn, wheat, alfalfa and > you name it. > > Maybe a helmet bubble with an air filter is our future? > > Maybe a simple air mask would help, like the ones you see the Chinese wear > to avoid airborne diseases. > > Jean > > ***************** > > We no longer have goats and Jerry's symptoms have gone from >> bad to worse. He has sinus problems non-stop - periodic sinus >> infections, headaches, and everything else that could be related to >> allergies. Pollen definitely makes things worse but he has problems >> year around. >> >> He went the whole allopathic allergy route with the testing (multiple >> reactions) and weekly shots for years. That may have prevented the >> most severe infections/reactions but it definitely was not a cure. >> Umpteen $$ later, he quit the shots. Now I'm trying to find something >> that might help, even if it's a long shot. He's not going to do any >> sort of complicated thing like the cleanse and diet >> restrictions would be hit or miss. Some days the pollen is so bad >> that you have to clean the windshield on the car before you can >> drive. I do have some problems which are likely related, like a >> drippy nose, but it is nothing to compare to Jerry and it doesn't >> bother me all that much. >> >>> a >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Home Page: > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO > > Books: > DMSO Nature's Healer by Morton > MSM The Definitive Guide by Stanely MD and Appleton, NDYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 >Was it endophyte free fesuce? If not then it may be be infect with mold.< Huh? Wha? Never heard of this. More input needed. I can tell you that the hay did not lay long after cutting, they raked it once and dried it, raked it again to turn it and dry it, then it was baled the same day that we collected it. The bales didn't set out for more than six hours. The mown hay did not get rained on before baling. This was probably the dryest hay I ever handled and I know that dryness and resulting dust was a big part of the problem. I don't think I've ever had such a snoot full of grass dust in my life. Mold would sure explain my continuing problems, but thankfully they are declining. DB Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1462 - Release Date: 5/23/2008 7:20 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 >TALL FESCUE Festuca arundinacea (grass family) TOXICITY RATING: Moderate to high, depending upon individual circumstance.< Thank you very much for this info! Yep it was Kentucky Tall 31. I can now understand that this mold and it's spores would be liberated in very dry dusty hay. I had never handled such dry hay straight from the field in my life. We're in a two year long drought here and although this spring has been a little wetter it is nothing at all like our norm, so this hay was as dry as if it had been in a barn for a year. I will get to work on this. I know what to do now that I know why. I am having little pains in my sinuses as I type. Daddybob Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1464 - Release Date: 5/24/2008 8:56 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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