MMR Vaccine

[Guest guest]

Just came back from ped well baby care visit. I voiced concern about the MMR

shot Dylan, my almost 3 yr old will get in about a year. She swore that no

vaccines given in her office contained thermoseral and that she gives them to

her grandchildren (one of which has a speech problem) How can that be? I am

confused, help?

Thanks

Randi

mom to Tyler 9/5/95 my currently toothless wonder and Dylan 7/4/99 my Yankee

Doodle toddler

[Guest guest]

The vaccines are currently being " remade " to remove the themerisol. The MMR

never did contain thermerisol. Her office has probably used all of the old

vaccinations that contain the thermerisol or else removed them from their

office. We all have our opinions on vaccinations. Personally I do not believe

my child's autism was CAUSED by the vaccinations however they DID cause

significant regressions two separate times. He is my first born and my younger

children now receive their vaccinations one at a time. I just had the girls in

last week in fact. And I didn't allow any vaccinations until 4 months, then I

discussed which one the doctor thought was most important for her to have (and

didn't have thermerisol though by then the clinic had removed it from their

shelves) and we went from there. Although I realize not many people share my

view, they don't have to live 24/7 with the devastation of seeing their child

regress and loose ALL of his language skills within two weeks of DPT/MMR shots.

[ ] MMR Vaccine

Just came back from ped well baby care visit. I voiced concern about the MMR

shot Dylan, my almost 3 yr old will get in about a year. She swore that no

vaccines given in her office contained thermoseral and that she gives them to

her grandchildren (one of which has a speech problem) How can that be? I am

confused, help?

Thanks

Randi

mom to Tyler 9/5/95 my currently toothless wonder and Dylan 7/4/99 my Yankee

Doodle toddler

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Tammy has just given you an excellent an accurate reply . The MMR

does not contain Thimerosal and never did - it contains three live

virus'.

The link between immunisations and autism is not proposed as a

simple " the MMR causes autism " position ( oh that life were so

simple !!) so I'm not surprised that you are confused .

The MMR link with autism is the one most in the headlines for two

reasons . Firstly because Dr Wakefield etc have got so far in finding

live measles virus in the guts of autistic kids and have therefore

managed to find some physical traces of the fact that this

theoretical link may actually be more than theoretical . Secondly ,

and perhaps more importantly becuase the more severe damage caused by

the MMR is often so obvious ( as it occurs in a walking talking

healthy toddler ) that the parents have refused to be put off by

grand sounding ( but ultimately irrelevent ) epedemiological studies.

When you have several thousand parents who like me , have video of

their child talking and smiling for the camera, waving when

called ...and then two months later a child who is staring at his

fingers and screaming when approached - it makes the Doctors view

that the timing is just co-incidental pretty hard to sustain .( When

I told my GP that Charlie had lost speech he said I had imagined it -

when I told him I had it recorded on video he was a little

uncomfortable . He went away and came back saying that there were NOW

cases of regressive autism . When I asked him if this new development

was being seen in kids whose parents like me witnessed visible,

measurable decline after the MMR ...he didn't know .. hmmnnn!).

Any way the issue about thimerosal and autism is somewhat newer. That

is not to say that people have not been concerned about the presence

of a FANTASTICALLY toxic substance in injections given to babies for

a while but people were slower to make the link because often

children did fail to develop and that reflects Kanners model.

The TWO ARE LINKED THOUGH - MMR and thimerosal.

They both are thought to accutely undermine both the immune response

and the gut . With thimerosal the damage is with the immune system

which then compromises the gut ( and evrything else !!)and with the

MMR the measles virus lives in the gut and destroys the lining

resulting in the increasing link between autism and Crohns disease

and other bowel problems.

Before my little cheering team launchs in what I am explaining are

the THEORIES...and only you can decide what to do with your child .

Your GP has given you her view and I have given you mine .

I have to say one last thing though ! My child will be bnborn in

September and I am checking that all immunisations will be thimerosal

free. With the MMR though I am not going to give it but , as much as

anything on the grounds of efficiency!!! The MMR was only created by

those wonderful , reputable drugs companies becuse the patents on the

individual injections were about to run out . The MMR only gives

immunity to 90% of children at the first injection . So 10% of

children wander around with meaningless protection between 18 months

and 3 years ( in the recent outbreak of measles in a nursery in south

London several of the children who contracted the measles had

already had their first shot !!!) ALL children are then given a

booster to try and " catch up " the missing 10% ( because it is cheaper

than testing for immunity and inviting back only thoses who need

it ). But medicine is not the same as maths and the British

Governmant has recently confirmed that it will be testing a third MMR

shot becuse the " odd " immune response in the 10% sometimes means that

they still reject the injection at a second go .

So to avoid the need for three seperate injections the entire child

population will soon be having.... err.....THREE TRIPLE INJECTIONS !

Hooray !!!

Anyway - time to wake the little ones up !

Regards

-- In @y..., Satinrockr@a... wrote:

> Just came back from ped well baby care visit. I voiced concern

about the MMR

> shot Dylan, my almost 3 yr old will get in about a year. She swore

that no

> vaccines given in her office contained thermoseral and that she

gives them to

> her grandchildren (one of which has a speech problem) How can that

be? I am

> confused, help?

>

> Thanks

> Randi

> mom to Tyler 9/5/95 my currently toothless wonder and Dylan 7/4/99

my Yankee

> Doodle toddler

[Guest guest]

Randi,

There were several posts along this line a few weeks ago. Thank you so much

to the posters, regardless of how controversial the subject can be.

What I gleaned from the information is that you may be able to avoid the

second MMR vaccine altogether. Seems that 90% to 95% of all kids who get

the first MMR vaccine become fully immunized with the first shot only!

Since my 6 year old daughter was due her second MMR immunization, I thought

I would test this theory two weeks ago and requested that they take a blood

draw from her to determine her " titre's " or " titer's " to determine her

immune status for measles, mumps, and rubella. Even though she is a tough

draw (she doesn't understand because of developmental delay and I put Emla

cream on both her arms inside the elbow where they draw the blood an hour in

advance to numb the skin), it was well worth the effort. The resulting test

reports clearly show that she still has total immunity to all three and we

have avoided the second MMR vaccination altogether!

Funny thing was, the nurse practitioner was totally against doing this,

saying we should just get the second MMR, no questions asked. She referred

us to the doc in the practice who is most knowledgeable about immunizations

(hopefully trying to change my mind). I talked with him about what I wanted

to do and surprisingly, he was fully supportive. Just in case there really

is any problem with the MMR vaccine and kids like ours, who vary widely in

the reasons they are like they are (neurologically, brain structurally,

genetically, metabolically, or unknown), I just didn't want to subject her

to something that may tip the fragile balance we have right now.

So, get the blood test to check for immunity and you may avoid having to

give that second MMR vaccination to your child!

<From: Satinrockr@...

<Subject: MMR Vaccine

<Just came back from ped well baby care visit. I voiced concern about the

MMR

<shot Dylan, my almost 3 yr old will get in about a year. She swore that no

<vaccines given in her office contained thermoseral and that she gives them

to

<her grandchildren (one of which has a speech problem) How can that be? I

am

<confused, help?

<

<Thanks

<Randi

[Guest guest]

,

I just found out that here in Oregon if you get the three separate injections

instead of the regular MMR, they don't have to have a second shot of anything!

Sheesh, wish I'd known this before my first two had to have the titer test and

tested immune but at least I know it now for my third. I guess they don't worry

about that 10% at all if they have the individual vaccinations. Go figure.

Tammy

[Guest guest]

Tammy ,

i think its because the " failure " rate dosen't apply to the seperate

injections . It is only the MMR that fails in 10% of cases. Plus the

immunity given by the seperate injections also lasts longer.

Regards

Deborah D

--- In @y..., " Tammy Sowell " <Tammy_S68@m...>

wrote:

> ,

>

> I just found out that here in Oregon if you get the three separate

injections instead of the regular MMR, they don't have to have a

second shot of anything! Sheesh, wish I'd known this before my first

two had to have the titer test and tested immune but at least I know

it now for my third. I guess they don't worry about that 10% at all

if they have the individual vaccinations. Go figure.

> Tammy