Re: insight from our visit to the chiropractor

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Hi Bonnie,

Thank you for posting this link to the " dirty dozen " list! That site has a lot

of other helpful

info. I found a reference there that I looked up - it's a government report

from a

committee on life sciences (or some committee from the Nat'l academy of Sciences

I

think). It was a study on the effects of pesticides on infants and children.

It admits that

the current pesticide guidelines DO not take infants and children into account

and that

infants/children's bodies handle pesticides in a different manner

than adults. I haven't read the whole report (almost 400 pages) but the

executive summary

provides a tremendous amount of info.

I put a quote below. Here's the report if anyone is interested:

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=2126 & page=1

Glad that the IRS audit turned out o.k. - just what you need on top of

everything else

going on!

best,

" To ensure that infants and children are not exposed to unsafe levels of

pesticide residues,

the committee recommends that EPA modify its decision-making process for setting

tolerances so that it is based more on health considerations than on

agricultural practices.

These changes should incorporate the use of improved estimates of exposure and

more

relevant toxicology, along with continued consideration of the requirements of

agricultural

production. As a result, human health considerations would be more fully

reflected in

tolerance levels. Children should be able to eat a healthful diet containing

legal residues

without encroaching on safety margins. "

Quoted from:

" PESTICIDES in the DIETS OF INFANTS AND CHILDREN "

Committee on Pesticides in the Diets of Infants and Children

Board on Agriculture and Board on Environmental Studies and Toxicology

Commission on Life Sciences

National Research Council

NATIONAL ACADEMY PRESS

Washington, D.C.

1993

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=2126 & page=R1

> > > > >

> > > > > We went to see a new chiropractor...haven't been to our old one for

> > > > a while

> > > > > because of insurance changes...and he was very thrilled with

> > everything

> > > > > we've been doing. He said, " You're doing all the right things. Who's

> > > > helping

> > > > > you figure all this out? " I said, " Um...it's mostly the moms on the

> > > > Yahoo

> > > > > Miralax list! "

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway...he thinks that our daughter's sensory integration problems

> > > > have to

> > > > > be solved before the constipation will clear. He thinks that the

> > > > stress from

> > > > > living with sensory problems is overloading her sympathetic and

> > > > > parasympathetic nervous systems. He also thinks that some stuff

> > > > we've tried

> > > > > that didn't help, like the gf/cf diet, may not have helped

> > because other

> > > > > factors weren't in place yet, and that a lot of the things we've

> > > > tried that

> > > > > looked like they weren't helping actually are helping, but that when

> > > > you're

> > > > > working on healing the nervous system, the body will prioritize

> > brain

> > > > > healing before GI healing, so that if we give it some time, and keep

> > > > doing

> > > > > what we're doing, we should eventually see GI improvement too. We

> > > > definitely

> > > > > are seeing sensory improvement, I just had not been viewing that

> > as the

> > > > > primary issue. I always felt the constipation affected her quality

> > > > of life

> > > > > more than the sensory problems, which we viewed as mild. So I'm

> > really

> > > > > pleased to have all this explained to me...I sort of feel like what

> > > > we're

> > > > > doing is like peeling away the layers of an onion. We have to peel

> > > > away all

> > > > > these toxicities one by one (while also trying to add back in

> > > > nutrients one

> > > > > by one), and we don't seem to see improvement, but eventually I feel

> > > > that

> > > > > we'll finally get to the last layer. And, I think that even

> > though she's

> > > > > still constipated, maybe the fact that she's been so darn healthy

> > > > all fall

> > > > > is a sign that her GI tract is healing in ways that we just can't

> > > > see, yet.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is such a slow journey, though. This chiropractor also cautioned

> > > > me that

> > > > > it can take years to clear mercury from kids' systems. Sigh.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the meantime, I'm thinking of going back to the GF/CF diet

> > > > because I'm

> > > > > thinking it may, like some of these other things, have been helping

> > > > her in

> > > > > unseen ways, even if we couldn't actually SEE how it was helping her

> > > > before.

> > > > > On the other hand, I'm also thinking about trying to gradually

> > shift her

> > > > > onto a more raw foods diet (which would be mostly GF/CF anyway, but

> > > > might

> > > > > include some sprouted grains that still would have gluten in

> > > > them--since she

> > > > > doesn't have celiac disease, I'm not sure that she'd need to be as

> > > > strictly

> > > > > GF as celiacs are.) I'm shifting to more and more raw foods myself.

> > > > > Unfortunately it's easier to switch me than her...I'm a lot more

> > open to

> > > > > trying new things than she is. It would have to be a VERY gradual

> > > > shift! And

> > > > > the frustrating truth is, if a dietary change is helping her in

> > > > unseen ways,

> > > > > and it's a rough diet to implement, like both GF and raw foods diets

> > > > are,

> > > > > than we're likely to backslide, because it will seem like we're

> > > > doing all

> > > > > this for nothing (it will especially look that way to my skeptical

> > > > husband).

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sigh. Oh well. At least we're making progress, however

> > incrementally...

> > > > >

> > > > > Bonnie

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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And Mom and Dad are spraying inside and outside, on the lawn and everywhere possible, make sure you don't use flame retardant jammies, they are sprayed with chemicals that soak into their skin all night long.............. People don't yet understand the dangers of spraying their lawns, inside their houses for bugs etc. It's all there if you read the material........... good articlelittlelief wrote: Hi Bonnie,Thank you for posting this link to the "dirty dozen" list! That site has a lot of

other helpful info. I found a reference there that I looked up - it's a government report from a committee on life sciences (or some committee from the Nat'l academy of Sciences I think). It was a study on the effects of pesticides on infants and children. It admits that the current pesticide guidelines DO not take infants and children into account and that infants/children's bodies handle pesticides in a different manner than adults. I haven't read the whole report (almost 400 pages) but the executive summary provides a tremendous amount of info.I put a quote below. Here's the report if anyone is interested:http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=2126 & page=1Glad that the IRS audit turned out o.k. - just what you need on top of everything else going on!best,"To ensure that infants and children

are not exposed to unsafe levels of pesticide residues, the committee recommends that EPA modify its decision-making process for setting tolerances so that it is based more on health considerations than on agricultural practices. These changes should incorporate the use of improved estimates of exposure and more relevant toxicology, along with continued consideration of the requirements of agricultural production. As a result, human health considerations would be more fully reflected in tolerance levels. Children should be able to eat a healthful diet containing legal residues without encroaching on safety margins. "Quoted from:"PESTICIDES in the DIETS OF INFANTS AND CHILDREN"Committee on Pesticides in the Diets of Infants and ChildrenBoard on Agriculture and Board on Environmental Studies and ToxicologyCommission on Life SciencesNational Research CouncilNATIONAL ACADEMY PRESSWashington, D.C.1993http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=2126 & page=R1> > > > >> > > > > We went to see a new chiropractor...haven't been to our old one for> > > > a while> > > > > because of insurance changes...and he was very thrilled with> > everything> > > > > we've been doing. He said, "You're doing all the right things. Who's> > > > helping> > > > > you figure all this out?" I said, "Um...it's mostly the moms on the> > > > Yahoo> > > > > Miralax list!"> > > > >> > > > > Anyway...he thinks that our daughter's sensory integration problems> > > > have to> > >

> > be solved before the constipation will clear. He thinks that the> > > > stress from> > > > > living with sensory problems is overloading her sympathetic and> > > > > parasympathetic nervous systems. He also thinks that some stuff> > > > we've tried> > > > > that didn't help, like the gf/cf diet, may not have helped> > because other> > > > > factors weren't in place yet, and that a lot of the things we've> > > > tried that> > > > > looked like they weren't helping actually are helping, but that when> > > > you're> > > > > working on healing the nervous system, the body will prioritize> > brain> > > > > healing before GI healing, so that if we give it some time, and keep> > > > doing> > > > > what we're doing, we

should eventually see GI improvement too. We> > > > definitely> > > > > are seeing sensory improvement, I just had not been viewing that> > as the> > > > > primary issue. I always felt the constipation affected her quality> > > > of life> > > > > more than the sensory problems, which we viewed as mild. So I'm> > really> > > > > pleased to have all this explained to me...I sort of feel like what> > > > we're> > > > > doing is like peeling away the layers of an onion. We have to peel> > > > away all> > > > > these toxicities one by one (while also trying to add back in> > > > nutrients one> > > > > by one), and we don't seem to see improvement, but eventually I feel> > > > that> > > > > we'll finally get to the

last layer. And, I think that even> > though she's> > > > > still constipated, maybe the fact that she's been so darn healthy> > > > all fall> > > > > is a sign that her GI tract is healing in ways that we just can't> > > > see, yet.> > > > >> > > > > It is such a slow journey, though. This chiropractor also cautioned> > > > me that> > > > > it can take years to clear mercury from kids' systems. Sigh.> > > > >> > > > > In the meantime, I'm thinking of going back to the GF/CF diet> > > > because I'm> > > > > thinking it may, like some of these other things, have been helping> > > > her in> > > > > unseen ways, even if we couldn't actually SEE how it was helping her> > > > before.> > > >

> On the other hand, I'm also thinking about trying to gradually> > shift her> > > > > onto a more raw foods diet (which would be mostly GF/CF anyway, but> > > > might> > > > > include some sprouted grains that still would have gluten in> > > > them--since she> > > > > doesn't have celiac disease, I'm not sure that she'd need to be as> > > > strictly> > > > > GF as celiacs are.) I'm shifting to more and more raw foods myself.> > > > > Unfortunately it's easier to switch me than her...I'm a lot more> > open to> > > > > trying new things than she is. It would have to be a VERY gradual> > > > shift! And> > > > > the frustrating truth is, if a dietary change is helping her in> > > > unseen ways,> > > > > and it's a rough diet

to implement, like both GF and raw foods diets> > > > are,> > > > > than we're likely to backslide, because it will seem like we're> > > > doing all> > > > > this for nothing (it will especially look that way to my skeptical> > > > husband).> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Sigh. Oh well. At least we're making progress, however> > incrementally...> > > > >> > > > > Bonnie> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

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Talk about chemicals/toxins out there - check this out:

http://www.storyofstuff.com

It was posted at a local freecycle board and it is very thought provoking.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We went to see a new chiropractor...haven't been to our

old one for

> > > > > a while

> > > > > > because of insurance changes...and he was very thrilled with

> > > everything

> > > > > > we've been doing. He said, " You're doing all the right

things. Who's

> > > > > helping

> > > > > > you figure all this out? " I said, " Um...it's mostly the

moms on the

> > > > > Yahoo

> > > > > > Miralax list! "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway...he thinks that our daughter's sensory integration

problems

> > > > > have to

> > > > > > be solved before the constipation will clear. He thinks

that the

> > > > > stress from

> > > > > > living with sensory problems is overloading her

sympathetic and

> > > > > > parasympathetic nervous systems. He also thinks that some

stuff

> > > > > we've tried

> > > > > > that didn't help, like the gf/cf diet, may not have helped

> > > because other

> > > > > > factors weren't in place yet, and that a lot of the things

we've

> > > > > tried that

> > > > > > looked like they weren't helping actually are helping, but

that when

> > > > > you're

> > > > > > working on healing the nervous system, the body will

prioritize

> > > brain

> > > > > > healing before GI healing, so that if we give it some

time, and keep

> > > > > doing

> > > > > > what we're doing, we should eventually see GI improvement

too. We

> > > > > definitely

> > > > > > are seeing sensory improvement, I just had not been

viewing that

> > > as the

> > > > > > primary issue. I always felt the constipation affected her

quality

> > > > > of life

> > > > > > more than the sensory problems, which we viewed as mild.

So I'm

> > > really

> > > > > > pleased to have all this explained to me...I sort of feel

like what

> > > > > we're

> > > > > > doing is like peeling away the layers of an onion. We have

to peel

> > > > > away all

> > > > > > these toxicities one by one (while also trying to add back in

> > > > > nutrients one

> > > > > > by one), and we don't seem to see improvement, but

eventually I feel

> > > > > that

> > > > > > we'll finally get to the last layer. And, I think that even

> > > though she's

> > > > > > still constipated, maybe the fact that she's been so darn

healthy

> > > > > all fall

> > > > > > is a sign that her GI tract is healing in ways that we

just can't

> > > > > see, yet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is such a slow journey, though. This chiropractor also

cautioned

> > > > > me that

> > > > > > it can take years to clear mercury from kids' systems. Sigh.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the meantime, I'm thinking of going back to the GF/CF diet

> > > > > because I'm

> > > > > > thinking it may, like some of these other things, have

been helping

> > > > > her in

> > > > > > unseen ways, even if we couldn't actually SEE how it was

helping her

> > > > > before.

> > > > > > On the other hand, I'm also thinking about trying to gradually

> > > shift her

> > > > > > onto a more raw foods diet (which would be mostly GF/CF

anyway, but

> > > > > might

> > > > > > include some sprouted grains that still would have gluten in

> > > > > them--since she

> > > > > > doesn't have celiac disease, I'm not sure that she'd need

to be as

> > > > > strictly

> > > > > > GF as celiacs are.) I'm shifting to more and more raw

foods myself.

> > > > > > Unfortunately it's easier to switch me than her...I'm a

lot more

> > > open to

> > > > > > trying new things than she is. It would have to be a VERY

gradual

> > > > > shift! And

> > > > > > the frustrating truth is, if a dietary change is helping

her in

> > > > > unseen ways,

> > > > > > and it's a rough diet to implement, like both GF and raw

foods diets

> > > > > are,

> > > > > > than we're likely to backslide, because it will seem like

we're

> > > > > doing all

> > > > > > this for nothing (it will especially look that way to my

skeptical

> > > > > husband).

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sigh. Oh well. At least we're making progress, however

> > > incrementally...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bonnie

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Most think it is safe! When I stopped having our house sprayed(inside

and out) most thought I was overreacting. The bug man would just come

in with his spray tank, whip it around, spray all the edges no matter

what was laying there...uugh, I would cringe, went against my every

being, especially with my youngest crawling around on the floor. I

finally stood my ground with family and told them we well live with a

spider here and there, but not with the bug spray!! I well

occaissionally reflect when I was pregnant with my youngest(lots of

medical) and working in a flower shop! I used to cut/prep a lot of

flowers. Pesticides, a disabled child, I did lots of googling on the

stuff and just wanted to cry when I learned what pesticides does to

the unborn fetus!! I have wondered sometimes if this is what caused

my sons birth defect? I am mostly sure it was from a severe flu type

illness during my first trimester. I had never been that ill in my

life. Most likely interfered with the developement of him while in

the wound. Most in a group I belong to for my sons condition had the

same thing happen(severe illness), but I do still wonder about the

direct contact with pesticides!! TOXINS/CHEMICALS!! To think some are

getting rich at the expense of our lives!! Jennie<><

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We went to see a new chiropractor...haven't been to our

old one for

> > > > > a while

> > > > > > because of insurance changes...and he was very thrilled

with

> > > everything

> > > > > > we've been doing. He said, " You're doing all the right

things. Who's

> > > > > helping

> > > > > > you figure all this out? " I said, " Um...it's mostly the

moms on the

> > > > > Yahoo

> > > > > > Miralax list! "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway...he thinks that our daughter's sensory

integration problems

> > > > > have to

> > > > > > be solved before the constipation will clear. He thinks

that the

> > > > > stress from

> > > > > > living with sensory problems is overloading her

sympathetic and

> > > > > > parasympathetic nervous systems. He also thinks that some

stuff

> > > > > we've tried

> > > > > > that didn't help, like the gf/cf diet, may not have helped

> > > because other

> > > > > > factors weren't in place yet, and that a lot of the

things we've

> > > > > tried that

> > > > > > looked like they weren't helping actually are helping,

but that when

> > > > > you're

> > > > > > working on healing the nervous system, the body will

prioritize

> > > brain

> > > > > > healing before GI healing, so that if we give it some

time, and keep

> > > > > doing

> > > > > > what we're doing, we should eventually see GI improvement

too. We

> > > > > definitely

> > > > > > are seeing sensory improvement, I just had not been

viewing that

> > > as the

> > > > > > primary issue. I always felt the constipation affected

her quality

> > > > > of life

> > > > > > more than the sensory problems, which we viewed as mild.

So I'm

> > > really

> > > > > > pleased to have all this explained to me...I sort of feel

like what

> > > > > we're

> > > > > > doing is like peeling away the layers of an onion. We

have to peel

> > > > > away all

> > > > > > these toxicities one by one (while also trying to add

back in

> > > > > nutrients one

> > > > > > by one), and we don't seem to see improvement, but

eventually I feel

> > > > > that

> > > > > > we'll finally get to the last layer. And, I think that

even

> > > though she's

> > > > > > still constipated, maybe the fact that she's been so darn

healthy

> > > > > all fall

> > > > > > is a sign that her GI tract is healing in ways that we

just can't

> > > > > see, yet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is such a slow journey, though. This chiropractor also

cautioned

> > > > > me that

> > > > > > it can take years to clear mercury from kids' systems.

Sigh.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the meantime, I'm thinking of going back to the GF/CF

diet

> > > > > because I'm

> > > > > > thinking it may, like some of these other things, have

been helping

> > > > > her in

> > > > > > unseen ways, even if we couldn't actually SEE how it was

helping her

> > > > > before.

> > > > > > On the other hand, I'm also thinking about trying to

gradually

> > > shift her

> > > > > > onto a more raw foods diet (which would be mostly GF/CF

anyway, but

> > > > > might

> > > > > > include some sprouted grains that still would have gluten

in

> > > > > them--since she

> > > > > > doesn't have celiac disease, I'm not sure that she'd need

to be as

> > > > > strictly

> > > > > > GF as celiacs are.) I'm shifting to more and more raw

foods myself.

> > > > > > Unfortunately it's easier to switch me than her...I'm a

lot more

> > > open to

> > > > > > trying new things than she is. It would have to be a VERY

gradual

> > > > > shift! And

> > > > > > the frustrating truth is, if a dietary change is helping

her in

> > > > > unseen ways,

> > > > > > and it's a rough diet to implement, like both GF and raw

foods diets

> > > > > are,

> > > > > > than we're likely to backslide, because it will seem like

we're

> > > > > doing all

> > > > > > this for nothing (it will especially look that way to my

skeptical

> > > > > husband).

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sigh. Oh well. At least we're making progress, however

> > > incrementally...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bonnie

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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, If you look up the MSDS for the chemicals they spray for bugs in your house, you will find it's all there........also, you're right about the flower shop, they are highly sprayed, grocerie stores are loaded, restauraunts, anywhere there's food. This is why so many people have a wheat allergy, it's what they spray on it in the warehouses to keep the bugs away................ Jennie wrote: Most think it is safe! When I

stopped having our house sprayed(inside and out) most thought I was overreacting. The bug man would just come in with his spray tank, whip it around, spray all the edges no matter what was laying there...uugh, I would cringe, went against my every being, especially with my youngest crawling around on the floor. I finally stood my ground with family and told them we well live with a spider here and there, but not with the bug spray!! I well occaissionally reflect when I was pregnant with my youngest(lots of medical) and working in a flower shop! I used to cut/prep a lot of flowers. Pesticides, a disabled child, I did lots of googling on the stuff and just wanted to cry when I learned what pesticides does to the unborn fetus!! I have wondered sometimes if this is what caused my sons birth defect? I am mostly sure it was from a severe flu type illness during my first trimester. I had never been that ill in my life. Most

likely interfered with the developement of him while in the wound. Most in a group I belong to for my sons condition had the same thing happen(severe illness), but I do still wonder about the direct contact with pesticides!! TOXINS/CHEMICALS!! To think some are getting rich at the expense of our lives!! Jennie<><> > > > > >> > > > > > We went to see a new chiropractor...haven't been to our old one for> > > > > a while> > > > > > because of insurance changes...and he was very thrilled with> > > everything> > > > > >

we've been doing. He said, "You're doing all the right things. Who's> > > > > helping> > > > > > you figure all this out?" I said, "Um...it's mostly the moms on the> > > > > Yahoo> > > > > > Miralax list!"> > > > > >> > > > > > Anyway...he thinks that our daughter's sensory integration problems> > > > > have to> > > > > > be solved before the constipation will clear. He thinks that the> > > > > stress from> > > > > > living with sensory problems is overloading her sympathetic and> > > > > > parasympathetic nervous systems. He also thinks that some stuff> > > > > we've tried> > > > > > that didn't help, like the gf/cf diet, may not have helped> > > because other>

> > > > > factors weren't in place yet, and that a lot of the things we've> > > > > tried that> > > > > > looked like they weren't helping actually are helping, but that when> > > > > you're> > > > > > working on healing the nervous system, the body will prioritize> > > brain> > > > > > healing before GI healing, so that if we give it some time, and keep> > > > > doing> > > > > > what we're doing, we should eventually see GI improvement too. We> > > > > definitely> > > > > > are seeing sensory improvement, I just had not been viewing that> > > as the> > > > > > primary issue. I always felt the constipation affected her quality> > > > > of life> > > > > > more

than the sensory problems, which we viewed as mild. So I'm> > > really> > > > > > pleased to have all this explained to me...I sort of feel like what> > > > > we're> > > > > > doing is like peeling away the layers of an onion. We have to peel> > > > > away all> > > > > > these toxicities one by one (while also trying to add back in> > > > > nutrients one> > > > > > by one), and we don't seem to see improvement, but eventually I feel> > > > > that> > > > > > we'll finally get to the last layer. And, I think that even> > > though she's> > > > > > still constipated, maybe the fact that she's been so darn healthy> > > > > all fall> > > > > > is a sign that her GI tract is healing

in ways that we just can't> > > > > see, yet.> > > > > >> > > > > > It is such a slow journey, though. This chiropractor also cautioned> > > > > me that> > > > > > it can take years to clear mercury from kids' systems. Sigh.> > > > > >> > > > > > In the meantime, I'm thinking of going back to the GF/CF diet> > > > > because I'm> > > > > > thinking it may, like some of these other things, have been helping> > > > > her in> > > > > > unseen ways, even if we couldn't actually SEE how it was helping her> > > > > before.> > > > > > On the other hand, I'm also thinking about trying to gradually> > > shift her> > > > > > onto a more raw foods diet

(which would be mostly GF/CF anyway, but> > > > > might> > > > > > include some sprouted grains that still would have gluten in> > > > > them--since she> > > > > > doesn't have celiac disease, I'm not sure that she'd need to be as> > > > > strictly> > > > > > GF as celiacs are.) I'm shifting to more and more raw foods myself.> > > > > > Unfortunately it's easier to switch me than her...I'm a lot more> > > open to> > > > > > trying new things than she is. It would have to be a VERY gradual> > > > > shift! And> > > > > > the frustrating truth is, if a dietary change is helping her in> > > > > unseen ways,> > > > > > and it's a rough diet to implement, like both GF and raw foods

diets> > > > > are,> > > > > > than we're likely to backslide, because it will seem like we're> > > > > doing all> > > > > > this for nothing (it will especially look that way to my skeptical> > > > > husband).> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sigh. Oh well. At least we're making progress, however> > > incrementally...> > > > > >> > > > > > Bonnie> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >>

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What about at school?? I see the stupid bug people over there on a Sunday afternoon (sorry about the "stupid" part, but really...) spraying. Then, the kids go to school on Monday morning. Yeah, yeah, they say all the chemicals are dry, yada yada, but I really don't think so. My kids come home with red arms and headaches EVERY time they spray. You'd think they could do it on a Friday night or Saturday morning!! I could ask them to change, but would they for just one family? Or how about NO spraying...it's a schoolyard for Pete's sake...no garden awards going out there!

Re: insight from our visit to the chiropractor

Most think it is safe! When I stopped having our house sprayed(inside and out) most thought I was overreacting. The bug man would just come in with his spray tank, whip it around, spray all the edges no matter what was laying there...uugh, I would cringe, went against my every being, especially with my youngest crawling around on the floor. I finally stood my ground with family and told them we well live with a spider here and there, but not with the bug spray!! I well occaissionally reflect when I was pregnant with my youngest(lots of medical) and working in a flower shop! I used to cut/prep a lot of flowers. Pesticides, a disabled child, I did lots of googling on the stuff and just wanted to cry when I learned what pesticides does to the unborn fetus!! I have wondered sometimes if this is what caused my sons birth defect? I am mostly sure it was from a severe flu type illness during my first trimester. I had never been that ill in my life. Most likely interfered with the developement of him while in the wound. Most in a group I belong to for my sons condition had the same thing happen(severe illness), but I do still wonder about the direct contact with pesticides!! TOXINS/CHEMICALS!! To think some are getting rich at the expense of our lives!! Jennie<><> > > > > >> > > > > > We went to see a new chiropractor...haven't been to our old one for> > > > > a while> > > > > > because of insurance changes...and he was very thrilled with> > > everything> > > > > > we've been doing. He said, "You're doing all the right things. Who's> > > > > helping> > > > > > you figure all this out?" I said, "Um...it's mostly the moms on the> > > > > Yahoo> > > > > > Miralax list!"> > > > > >> > > > > > Anyway...he thinks that our daughter's sensory integration problems> > > > > have to> > > > > > be solved before the constipation will clear. He thinks that the> > > > > stress from> > > > > > living with sensory problems is overloading her sympathetic and> > > > > > parasympathetic nervous systems. He also thinks that some stuff> > > > > we've tried> > > > > > that didn't help, like the gf/cf diet, may not have helped> > > because other> > > > > > factors weren't in place yet, and that a lot of the things we've> > > > > tried that> > > > > > looked like they weren't helping actually are helping, but that when> > > > > you're> > > > > > working on healing the nervous system, the body will prioritize> > > brain> > > > > > healing before GI healing, so that if we give it some time, and keep> > > > > doing> > > > > > what we're doing, we should eventually see GI improvement too. We> > > > > definitely> > > > > > are seeing sensory improvement, I just had not been viewing that> > > as the> > > > > > primary issue. I always felt the constipation affected her quality> > > > > of life> > > > > > more than the sensory problems, which we viewed as mild. So I'm> > > really> > > > > > pleased to have all this explained to me...I sort of feel like what> > > > > we're> > > > > > doing is like peeling away the layers of an onion. We have to peel> > > > > away all> > > > > > these toxicities one by one (while also trying to add back in> > > > > nutrients one> > > > > > by one), and we don't seem to see improvement, but eventually I feel> > > > > that> > > > > > we'll finally get to the last layer. And, I think that even> > > though she's> > > > > > still constipated, maybe the fact that she's been so darn healthy> > > > > all fall> > > > > > is a sign that her GI tract is healing in ways that we just can't> > > > > see, yet.> > > > > >> > > > > > It is such a slow journey, though. This chiropractor also cautioned> > > > > me that> > > > > > it can take years to clear mercury from kids' systems. Sigh.> > > > > >> > > > > > In the meantime, I'm thinking of going back to the GF/CF diet> > > > > because I'm> > > > > > thinking it may, like some of these other things, have been helping> > > > > her in> > > > > > unseen ways, even if we couldn't actually SEE how it was helping her> > > > > before.> > > > > > On the other hand, I'm also thinking about trying to gradually> > > shift her> > > > > > onto a more raw foods diet (which would be mostly GF/CF anyway, but> > > > > might> > > > > > include some sprouted grains that still would have gluten in> > > > > them--since she> > > > > > doesn't have celiac disease, I'm not sure that she'd need to be as> > > > > strictly> > > > > > GF as celiacs are.) I'm shifting to more and more raw foods myself.> > > > > > Unfortunately it's easier to switch me than her...I'm a lot more> > > open to> > > > > > trying new things than she is. It would have to be a VERY gradual> > > > > shift! And> > > > > > the frustrating truth is, if a dietary change is helping her in> > > > > unseen ways,> > > > > > and it's a rough diet to implement, like both GF and raw foods diets> > > > > are,> > > > > > than we're likely to backslide, because it will seem like we're> > > > > doing all> > > > > > this for nothing (it will especially look that way to my skeptical> > > > > husband).> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sigh. Oh well. At least we're making progress, however> > > incrementally...> > > > > >> > > > > > Bonnie> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >>

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Look into your rights, you have a right to keep them home on the times they spray, you have to document it, I'd do it with a physician, and state it is making your child sick. There are things you can do to change this. Carl and Tracie Happel wrote: What about at school?? I see the stupid bug people over there on a Sunday afternoon (sorry about the "stupid" part, but really...) spraying. Then, the kids go to school on Monday morning. Yeah, yeah, they say all the chemicals are dry, yada yada,

but I really don't think so. My kids come home with red arms and headaches EVERY time they spray. You'd think they could do it on a Friday night or Saturday morning!! I could ask them to change, but would they for just one family? Or how about NO spraying...it's a schoolyard for Pete's sake...no garden awards going out there! Re: insight from our visit to the chiropractor

Most think it is safe! When I stopped having our house sprayed(inside and out) most thought I was overreacting. The bug man would just come in with his spray tank, whip it around, spray all the edges no matter what was laying there...uugh, I would cringe, went against my every being, especially with my youngest crawling around on the floor. I finally stood my ground with family and told them we well live with a spider here and there, but not with the bug spray!! I well occaissionally reflect when I was pregnant with my youngest(lots of medical) and working in a flower shop! I used to cut/prep a lot of flowers. Pesticides, a disabled child, I did lots of googling on the stuff and just wanted to cry when I learned what pesticides does to the unborn fetus!! I have wondered sometimes if this is what caused my sons birth defect? I am mostly sure it was from a severe flu type illness during my first

trimester. I had never been that ill in my life. Most likely interfered with the developement of him while in the wound. Most in a group I belong to for my sons condition had the same thing happen(severe illness), but I do still wonder about the direct contact with pesticides!! TOXINS/CHEMICALS!! To think some are getting rich at the expense of our lives!! Jennie<><> > > > > >> > > > > > We went to see a new chiropractor...haven't been to our old one for> > > > > a while> > > > > > because of insurance changes...and he was very thrilled with> > > everything> > > > > >

we've been doing. He said, "You're doing all the right things. Who's> > > > > helping> > > > > > you figure all this out?" I said, "Um...it's mostly the moms on the> > > > > Yahoo> > > > > > Miralax list!"> > > > > >> > > > > > Anyway...he thinks that our daughter's sensory integration problems> > > > > have to> > > > > > be solved before the constipation will clear. He thinks that the> > > > > stress from> > > > > > living with sensory problems is overloading her sympathetic and> > > > > > parasympathetic nervous systems. He also thinks that some stuff> > > > > we've tried> > > > > > that didn't help, like the gf/cf diet, may not have helped> > > because other>

> > > > > factors weren't in place yet, and that a lot of the things we've> > > > > tried that> > > > > > looked like they weren't helping actually are helping, but that when> > > > > you're> > > > > > working on healing the nervous system, the body will prioritize> > > brain> > > > > > healing before GI healing, so that if we give it some time, and keep> > > > > doing> > > > > > what we're doing, we should eventually see GI improvement too. We> > > > > definitely> > > > > > are seeing sensory improvement, I just had not been viewing that> > > as the> > > > > > primary issue. I always felt the constipation affected her quality> > > > > of life> > > > > > more

than the sensory problems, which we viewed as mild. So I'm> > > really> > > > > > pleased to have all this explained to me...I sort of feel like what> > > > > we're> > > > > > doing is like peeling away the layers of an onion. We have to peel> > > > > away all> > > > > > these toxicities one by one (while also trying to add back in> > > > > nutrients one> > > > > > by one), and we don't seem to see improvement, but eventually I feel> > > > > that> > > > > > we'll finally get to the last layer. And, I think that even> > > though she's> > > > > > still constipated, maybe the fact that she's been so darn healthy> > > > > all fall> > > > > > is a sign that her GI tract is healing

in ways that we just can't> > > > > see, yet.> > > > > >> > > > > > It is such a slow journey, though. This chiropractor also cautioned> > > > > me that> > > > > > it can take years to clear mercury from kids' systems. Sigh.> > > > > >> > > > > > In the meantime, I'm thinking of going back to the GF/CF diet> > > > > because I'm> > > > > > thinking it may, like some of these other things, have been helping> > > > > her in> > > > > > unseen ways, even if we couldn't actually SEE how it was helping her> > > > > before.> > > > > > On the other hand, I'm also thinking about trying to gradually> > > shift her> > > > > > onto a more raw foods diet

(which would be mostly GF/CF anyway, but> > > > > might> > > > > > include some sprouted grains that still would have gluten in> > > > > them--since she> > > > > > doesn't have celiac disease, I'm not sure that she'd need to be as> > > > > strictly> > > > > > GF as celiacs are.) I'm shifting to more and more raw foods myself.> > > > > > Unfortunately it's easier to switch me than her...I'm a lot more> > > open to> > > > > > trying new things than she is. It would have to be a VERY gradual> > > > > shift! And> > > > > > the frustrating truth is, if a dietary change is helping her in> > > > > unseen ways,> > > > > > and it's a rough diet to implement, like both GF and raw foods

diets> > > > > are,> > > > > > than we're likely to backslide, because it will seem like we're> > > > > doing all> > > > > > this for nothing (it will especially look that way to my skeptical> > > > > husband).> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sigh. Oh well. At least we're making progress, however> > > incrementally...> > > > > >> > > > > > Bonnie> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >>

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Hmmm...didn'tknow this. Will have to look into this. Especially for Mr. Sensitivity who has 2 more years left at the school.

Thanks!!

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Most think it is safe! When I stopped having our house sprayed(inside and out) most thought I was overreacting. The bug man would just come in with his spray tank, whip it around, spray all the edges no matter what was laying there...uugh, I would cringe, went against my every being, especially with my youngest crawling around on the floor. I finally stood my ground with family and told them we well live with a spider here and there, but not with the bug spray!! I well occaissionally reflect when I was pregnant with my youngest(lots of medical) and working in a flower shop! I used to cut/prep a lot of flowers. Pesticides, a disabled child, I did lots of googling on the stuff and just wanted to cry when I learned what pesticides does to the unborn fetus!! I have wondered sometimes if this is what caused my sons birth defect? I am mostly sure it was from a severe flu type illness during my first trimester. I had never been that ill in my life. Most likely interfered with the developement of him while in the wound. Most in a group I belong to for my sons condition had the same thing happen(severe illness), but I do still wonder about the direct contact with pesticides!! TOXINS/CHEMICALS!! To think some are getting rich at the expense of our lives!! Jennie<><> > > > > >> > > > > > We went to see a new chiropractor...haven't been to our old one for> > > > > a while> > > > > > because of insurance changes...and he was very thrilled with> > > everything> > > > > > we've been doing. He said, "You're doing all the right things. Who's> > > > > helping> > > > > > you figure all this out?" I said, "Um...it's mostly the moms on the> > > > > Yahoo> > > > > > Miralax list!"> > > > > >> > > > > > Anyway...he thinks that our daughter's sensory integration problems> > > > > have to> > > > > > be solved before the constipation will clear. He thinks that the> > > > > stress from> > > > > > living with sensory problems is overloading her sympathetic and> > > > > > parasympathetic nervous systems. He also thinks that some stuff> > > > > we've tried> > > > > > that didn't help, like the gf/cf diet, may not have helped> > > because other> > > > > > factors weren't in place yet, and that a lot of the things we've> > > > > tried that> > > > > > looked like they weren't helping actually are helping, but that when> > > > > you're> > > > > > working on healing the nervous system, the body will prioritize> > > brain> > > > > > healing before GI healing, so that if we give it some time, and keep> > > > > doing> > > > > > what we're doing, we should eventually see GI improvement too. We> > > > > definitely> > > > > > are seeing sensory improvement, I just had not been viewing that> > > as the> > > > > > primary issue. I always felt the constipation affected her quality> > > > > of life> > > > > > more than the sensory problems, which we viewed as mild. So I'm> > > really> > > > > > pleased to have all this explained to me...I sort of feel like what> > > > > we're> > > > > > doing is like peeling away the layers of an onion. We have to peel> > > > > away all> > > > > > these toxicities one by one (while also trying to add back in> > > > > nutrients one> > > > > > by one), and we don't seem to see improvement, but eventually I feel> > > > > that> > > > > > we'll finally get to the last layer. And, I think that even> > > though she's> > > > > > still constipated, maybe the fact that she's been so darn healthy> > > > > all fall> > > > > > is a sign that her GI tract is healing in ways that we just can't> > > > > see, yet.> > > > > >> > > > > > It is such a slow journey, though. This chiropractor also cautioned> > > > > me that> > > > > > it can take years to clear mercury from kids' systems. Sigh.> > > > > >> > > > > > In the meantime, I'm thinking of going back to the GF/CF diet> > > > > because I'm> > > > > > thinking it may, like some of these other things, have been helping> > > > > her in> > > > > > unseen ways, even if we couldn't actually SEE how it was helping her> > > > > before.> > > > > > On the other hand, I'm also thinking about trying to gradually> > > shift her> > > > > > onto a more raw foods diet (which would be mostly GF/CF anyway, but> > > > > might> > > > > > include some sprouted grains that still would have gluten in> > > > > them--since she> > > > > > doesn't have celiac disease, I'm not sure that she'd need to be as> > > > > strictly> > > > > > GF as celiacs are.) I'm shifting to more and more raw foods myself.> > > > > > Unfortunately it's easier to switch me than her...I'm a lot more> > > open to> > > > > > trying new things than she is. It would have to be a VERY gradual> > > > > shift! And> > > > > > the frustrating truth is, if a dietary change is helping her in> > > > > unseen ways,> > > > > > and it's a rough diet to implement, like both GF and raw foods diets> > > > > are,> > > > > > than we're likely to backslide, because it will seem like we're> > > > > doing all> > > > > > this for nothing (it will especially look that way to my skeptical> > > > > husband).> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sigh. Oh well. At least we're making progress, however> > > incrementally...> > > > > >> > > > > > Bonnie> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >>