Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 Welcome to the board jamaitin. I'd love to chat sometime...I think they try on sun, tue and thu nights....I'd have to read back a few pages to be sure....lol. We just went through this conversation. With all the brain fog...I'm going to away for a few days...i think. But if you go back a few pages and look for " chat " subjects, you'll find the days and times they try to get together. I haven't caught up with it yet. Congrats on your marine duty. I live in a very small town, and it seems the service is the " thing to do " lately. My son is in the army, but 2 of his friends have recently joined the marines. They seem to be liking it, and I'm so glad they got out of here for awhile! Keep posting and checking chat, eventually you'll catch someone. Laurie > I just discovered this web site 2 days ago. I was diagnosed 7/96 with > AIH. I was medically retired from the Marine Corps 11/98 after 10 yrs > at age 37. Glad to find some people I can identify with. Drop me a > line sometime, I'd like to hear from the group. No one seems to visit > the chat room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 Hi and welcome.... There are so many new people in the last couple of weeks...it is hard to keep up with everybody... You said that you retired from the Marines 4 yrs ago...are you working now...from the time of your email...it looks like you are home in the late morning.... You need to write more about youself...and let us know your name.... I am one of the moms on here....my son is now 19...and is in college...we live in NJ.... I know that some have talked about a chat...and I think they try to get together on Sun nights and Wed nights...I think....Nights are hard for me...busy with dinner and family...what is left of them...2 older children live away...one in Chicago and the other in Atlanta....kind of spread out.... Hope to see more from you... Luanne Ty's mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Since you get to feeling tired around 4:30, why not take your dose at 9:00 a.m and 6 p.m.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Also, I'm feeling kind of weak. I don't think it's the same feeling as when I was hypo - the exhaustion - but more just weak, like walking across the parking lot is a total effort for my legs, etc. forgot to post that, too. -Amie > Hello, > > Just over a month ago I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism. I was put > on Cytomel and we were gradually titrating the doseage up, but I > began having trouble sleeping (could not sleep more than three hours > per night), felt agitated a lot, wired, etc. Well now we've gone > down from a full pill twice a day to 1 pill in the am and half in > the pm. Also i've started taking my medication at 6 am and 6 pm > rather than 9 am and 9 pm. > > I can now sleep better but starting around 1 pm I get very tired, > and by 4:30 pm I really need a nap. Since the dosage change I am > also feeling more tired now overall. Also, I feel hungry a lot, too. > I feel kind of irritable too, not sure if it has to do with the > tiredness. > > I've been trying to call my dr. but haven't been able to get a hold > of more than the answering machine for two days. I am wondering what > people think, because I am unsure if my dosage is still too high or > could be too low now? > > thanks much, Amie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Well, taking it at 6 am I think works well, because I am not tired in the mornings before I take my pill, since I take it right when I wake up. My roommate suggested taking it at 6 am and 3 pm, so I might try doing that. I was just nervous about changing the timing because I remembered my doctor saying people usually took it every 12 hours. Thanks! Amie _____ From: pawprinter@... [mailto:pawprinter@...] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 5:55 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: New on board Since you get to feeling tired around 4:30, why not take your dose at 9:00 a.m and 6 p.m.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 I think you should try Armour. If your symptoms persist then you need adrenal hormones. Gracia > Also, I'm feeling kind of weak. I don't think it's the same feeling > as when I was hypo - the exhaustion - but more just weak, like > walking across the parking lot is a total effort for my legs, etc. > forgot to post that, too. > > -Amie > > > > > Hello, > > > > Just over a month ago I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism. I was > put > > on Cytomel and we were gradually titrating the doseage up, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 I actually am taking adrenal hormones, as well. I go back to see the doctor in about two weeks and will talk to him then. Two tablets seems like too much but 1 ½ seems like too little – lethargic much of the time. Strange. -Amie _____ From: Gracia [mailto:circe@...] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:43 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: New on board I think you should try Armour. If your symptoms persist then you need adrenal hormones. Gracia > Also, I'm feeling kind of weak. I don't think it's the same feeling > as when I was hypo - the exhaustion - but more just weak, like > walking across the parking lot is a total effort for my legs, etc. > forgot to post that, too. > > -Amie > > > > > Hello, > > > > Just over a month ago I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism. I was > put > > on Cytomel and we were gradually titrating the doseage up, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 ???? What do you mean by adrenal hormones? cortef? Gracia I actually am taking adrenal hormones, as well. I go back to see the doctor in about two weeks and will talk to him then. Two tablets seems like too much but 1 ½ seems like too little - lethargic much of the time. Strange. -Amie _____ From: Gracia [mailto:circe@...] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:43 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: New on board I think you should try Armour. If your symptoms persist then you need adrenal hormones. Gracia > Also, I'm feeling kind of weak. I don't think it's the same feeling > as when I was hypo - the exhaustion - but more just weak, like > walking across the parking lot is a total effort for my legs, etc. > forgot to post that, too. > > -Amie > > > > > Hello, > > > > Just over a month ago I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism. I was > put > > on Cytomel and we were gradually titrating the doseage up, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 No, a product called Cytozyne AD and pregnenolone. More to support the adrenal gland function. -Amie _____ From: Gracia [mailto:circe@...] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 2:21 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: New on board ???? What do you mean by adrenal hormones? cortef? Gracia I actually am taking adrenal hormones, as well. I go back to see the doctor in about two weeks and will talk to him then. Two tablets seems like too much but 1 ½ seems like too little - lethargic much of the time. Strange. -Amie _____ From: Gracia [mailto:circe@...] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:43 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: New on board I think you should try Armour. If your symptoms persist then you need adrenal hormones. Gracia > Also, I'm feeling kind of weak. I don't think it's the same feeling > as when I was hypo - the exhaustion - but more just weak, like > walking across the parking lot is a total effort for my legs, etc. > forgot to post that, too. > > -Amie > > > > > Hello, > > > > Just over a month ago I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism. I was > put > > on Cytomel and we were gradually titrating the doseage up, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 Amie D. wrote: > Also, I'm feeling kind of weak. I don't think it's the same feeling > as when I was hypo - the exhaustion - but more just weak, like > walking across the parking lot is a total effort for my legs, etc. > forgot to post that, too. That is hypo-. I would suggest taking your second dose around noon. That way you'll run out of T3 closer to bed time. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 Yes, I’m going to try taking my second dose earlier and am moving back to the full tablet twice a day. I hate to try these things on my own but I haven’t been able to get a hold of my doctor since Weds and can’t go on with this lethargy that seems to have crept up ever since moving to 1 tablet then just a half tablet later on. Also it’s been a lot harder to get up in the mornings, I just don’t feel rested. I’ve read the half-life of T3 is anywhere from one day to 2 ½ days. The maker claims 2 ½ days but if that were true, seems like less variance would be felt throughout the day. Anyone have any info on this? Thanks!!! -Amie _____ From: Chuck B [mailto:cblatchl@...] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 2:56 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: New on board Amie D. wrote: > Also, I'm feeling kind of weak. I don't think it's the same feeling > as when I was hypo - the exhaustion - but more just weak, like > walking across the parking lot is a total effort for my legs, etc. > forgot to post that, too. That is hypo-. I would suggest taking your second dose around noon. That way you'll run out of T3 closer to bed time. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Amie D. wrote: > > ... I’ve read the half-life of T3 is anywhere from one day to 2 ½ days. The > maker claims 2 ½ days but if that were true, seems like less variance would > be felt throughout the day. Anyone have any info on this? > You will not begin to feel ill effects just when the T3 is all gone or even when it is half gone. It doesn't work that way. A relatively minor drop of only a few percent is sufficient to bring on symptoms. Thus, a half-life is not the interval you should be concerned with, although through some algebra, it does indicate the average dose rate you need to maintain a particular level. Offsetting the half-life is any continuing T4 conversion or residual thyroid gland activity. Plus, heavy exercise, stress, and drugs that use the same liver enzymes can all reduce the T3 and T4 half lives. There is plenty of discussion of this in our archives. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Hi Amie, I am not familiar with these two. Do you think pregnenolone is helpful? Some people don't see much effect from it. I have found that DHEA and cortisol, also thyroid and adrenal glandulars work great. Docs don't treat adrenals very well. Gracia No, a product called Cytozyne AD and pregnenolone. More to support the adrenal gland function. -Amie _____ From: Gracia [mailto:circe@...] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 2:21 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: New on board ???? What do you mean by adrenal hormones? cortef? Gracia I actually am taking adrenal hormones, as well. I go back to see the doctor in about two weeks and will talk to him then. Two tablets seems like too much but 1 ½ seems like too little - lethargic much of the time. Strange. -Amie _____ From: Gracia [mailto:circe@...] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:43 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: New on board I think you should try Armour. If your symptoms persist then you need adrenal hormones. Gracia > Also, I'm feeling kind of weak. I don't think it's the same feeling > as when I was hypo - the exhaustion - but more just weak, like > walking across the parking lot is a total effort for my legs, etc. > forgot to post that, too. > > -Amie > > > > > Hello, > > > > Just over a month ago I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism. I was > put > > on Cytomel and we were gradually titrating the doseage up, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Thanks so much for the replies. I tried to search the archives, but unless I am doing it incorrectly it doesn't seem to search that far back? Also, I've read conflicting information about when to eat around taking Cytomel. I've been taking it two hours after and one hour before eating anything. Is this correct? I don't know if this has an effect as well, but today I ate some sugary candy (which I never really do) about three hours after taking the medication and am just feeling terrible now, too. Thanks, Amie Re: Re: New on board Amie D. wrote: > > ... I’ve read the half-life of T3 is anywhere from one day to 2 ½ days. The > maker claims 2 ½ days but if that were true, seems like less variance would > be felt throughout the day. Anyone have any info on this? > You will not begin to feel ill effects just when the T3 is all gone or even when it is half gone. It doesn't work that way. A relatively minor drop of only a few percent is sufficient to bring on symptoms. Thus, a half-life is not the interval you should be concerned with, although through some algebra, it does indicate the average dose rate you need to maintain a particular level. Offsetting the half-life is any continuing T4 conversion or residual thyroid gland activity. Plus, heavy exercise, stress, and drugs that use the same liver enzymes can all reduce the T3 and T4 half lives. There is plenty of discussion of this in our archives. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 I am not sure if the pregnenolone is doing anything, I started taking it a few days before the Cytomel, which I think is the main thing giving me my energy back - well after we figure out the right dose and times to take it! What are thyroid and adrenal glandulars? Thanks, Amie _____ From: Gracia [mailto:circe@...] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:58 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: New on board Hi Amie, I am not familiar with these two. Do you think pregnenolone is helpful? Some people don't see much effect from it. I have found that DHEA and cortisol, also thyroid and adrenal glandulars work great. Docs don't treat adrenals very well. Gracia No, a product called Cytozyne AD and pregnenolone. More to support the adrenal gland function. -Amie _____ From: Gracia [mailto:circe@...] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 2:21 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: New on board ???? What do you mean by adrenal hormones? cortef? Gracia I actually am taking adrenal hormones, as well. I go back to see the doctor in about two weeks and will talk to him then. Two tablets seems like too much but 1 ½ seems like too little - lethargic much of the time. Strange. -Amie _____ From: Gracia [mailto:circe@...] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:43 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: New on board I think you should try Armour. If your symptoms persist then you need adrenal hormones. Gracia > Also, I'm feeling kind of weak. I don't think it's the same feeling > as when I was hypo - the exhaustion - but more just weak, like > walking across the parking lot is a total effort for my legs, etc. > forgot to post that, too. > > -Amie > > > > > Hello, > > > > Just over a month ago I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism. I was > put > > on Cytomel and we were gradually titrating the doseage up, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 I have kept this information in my personal " Thyroid " computer file. I would suggest that it is basic information which will be of interest to most people, and probably the most efficient way of disseminating or retrieving information like this, is to put it in the " Files " section of this group, so that new people can easily be sent to it. Gail > Hope this helps. > Chuck > > > Old posts: > > From June 14, " Question about T4 " : > > Gail, > > You wrote: > > > ... Assuming I can convince him that I need indepth testing, I > imagine I would want to be at my pre-pill status when that testing is > done? ... > > > Actually you don't want pre-pill status, for several reasons. First, if > you are symptomatic, all you may need is just a minor adjustment of your > dosage based on your current TSH reading. If you are going for the full > bank of other tests, the levothyroxin dosage can still be taken into > account in planning a change in either dosage or medications. You don't > need to go back to square one. > > Finally, your body cannot return to your true pre-pill status for over a > month, a month of severe symptoms, some of which could cause permanent > damage. > > From July " Sudden T4 withdrawal " > > > ... So, my question is-- how long would it take for all the T4 > supplement to leave my body? > > The average reported biological half life for T4 is about six days. > However, it varies with your health and activity level. You need about > 6-10 half lives to reduce to a minimally measurable level. That amounts > to over a month. > > If your thyroid is still producing, even partially, the chemical > feedback loop will first anticipate its response to the rapidly dropping > level, which can lead a carefully balanced system to a temporary > hyperthyroid condition and then to an even faster (and more symptomatic) > drop. This is called a paradoxical oscillation, and it is not something > to mess around with. Even a temporary hyperthyroid condition can trigger > cardiac problems. > > I have read about this in the literature, but I am curious whether > anyone on the list has experienced temporary hyper- symptoms on missing > a dose or two. My sister told me she had, which is why I came to find > out about it. > > Chuck > > From October 2003, quoted in more recent posts: > > The concept of metabolic half-life is most useful for simple drugs that > are removed by something like a single liver enzyme. However, it is > defined as the time it takes for half of the dosage to leave the system, > not buildup. Instead, half life is connected to buildup in a reverse > sense. Generally, the shorter the half life (faster it is removed) the > longer it takes to build up to a steady state level. > > Even such simple dose behaviors can be confounded by other factors. For > example, the half life of caffeine in healthy non-smoking adults is > about six hours. In a heavy smoker this is reduced to about three hours, > which may explain the appetites of those who imbibe both. Vitamin C and > aspirin similarly share a liver enzyme that removes them, which means > that taking either one reduces the effective half life of the other. If > you have a cold, you might want to take these two out of phase, every > two hours, instead of taking them at the same time. This will maximize > both their effects. > > The elimination rate may vary with time, particularly if some part of > the metabolic pathway is exhausted or if it reaches an " accommodation " > level. This means that some drugs do not even approach steady state > levels until the production rate of an enzyme is saturated. Then the > drug level rapidly approaches the asymptote. > > In this case, hormone replacement with synthroid is anything but simple. > The therapeutic effect comes from T3, which is a metabolic product of > the T4. Thus, we really have at least two half lives to consider. The > half life of T4 controls the rate at which T3 increases, while the > processes behind the half life of T3 remove T3 or transform it to other > metabolites. If you describe this mathematically considering only the > two half lives, you start with two coupled first order differential > equations. The solution has several terms, each with a combination of > exponentials in the half lives. The result is that the time it should > take to approach a steady state dose of T3 depends on the T4 input rate, > but it could well be a matter of about three weeks. > > The problem is that this is not all that is going on. The T3 removal > rate depends on activity. The more you do, the faster you use it up. > Some T4 and T3 may also still be produced by what is left of the thyroid > gland itself. Other parts of the system affect T4 to T3 conversion, > storage, and re-release. Finally, and perhaps most influentially, > thyroid production is governed by a complex feedback system involving > TSH from the pituitary. The result is that buildup does not proceed in a > smooth manner. Instead, it tends to overshoot with sudden changes in > dose rate, resulting in oscillations above and below the ultimate steady > state level. It is these oscillations, and especially the high > excursions, which the usual gradual increase in synthroid dosage is > designed to avoid. A large over shoot on the hyperthyroid side can be > life threatening. > > Thus, Carol's system might amount to a " moving target, " for which over > correction can be deadly or at least very uncomfortable. I was fortunate > that I was quickly fine tuned with synthroid in a matter of months and > have been rock steady ever since. However, if other variables play a > part, two years might not be enough to reach stability. Carol, I would > expect that an endo working with synthroid would have followed much the > same protocol as your GP with similar results. Switching docs might not > help, if you stay with synthroid alone. > > OTOH, if T3 or TSH levels continue to move around on you, the only > solution might be to use a different medication, one that incorporates > some T3 directly, and which would allow day to day adjustments. I > certainly haven't needed that so far myself, but I can see where it > might be a useful alternative. Your current doc might even consider > this, if asked. > [End October post] > > Hope this helps, > Chuck > > From July 16, on " generic synthroid " > > The difference in efficacy (dosage equivalents) between Synthroid and > various generics has been very well documented for at least a couple of > decades, with guidelines published by some of the manufacturers on how > to adjust dosage when changing manufacturers. We have posted links to > some of these guidelines on this list before. > > The biological half life of T4 in the body has also been well studied > and is about six days. It might take four weeks (about five half lives) > to nearly completely flush all Synthroid out of the system, but that is > not what is going on here. A good analogy would be a bucket with a hole > in it and a faucet adding water at the top. The flow is adjusted by the > doctor so the water maintains a constant level. By switching to a > generic, effectively turned the faucet down a little. The result > is that the maintained level dropped, _almost immediately_. The balance > that maintains a euthyroid condition is a delicate one, so even a small > drop from the desired level brings on symptoms. > > Also, T4 from any manufacturer is absorbed within an hour after taking > it. There is no four week delay between taking the medicine and its > being absorbed. This means the maintenance level of T4 in the system and > its associated hormones (T3, T2, etc.) will start to change the very > first day. T3 will take over a week to reach the worst point, and it > will oscillate up and down during that week, but you will start feeling > real hypo- symptoms the very first day. Just try skipping your > medication for one morning, and see if there is a four week delay before > symptoms start. ... > > You might look for " buckets of help " and " generic synthroid. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Gail, All of our messages are already archived back to April 1999, but I agree that a collection into a FAQ file might be useful. hypothyroidism/ Are the files uploads restricted to the moderator, or can any list member do it? That section is limited to 20 Mb, so too much uploading might become a problem. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 No, I totally understand. I've been a competitive triathlete and marathoner and was stricter about my diet than anyone I knew, and it would take forever to lose any weight or I would just gain. And if I pigged out even one meal, forget it, all the weight would come back. I was swimming 3000 meters a week, running 30-45 miles per week, and cycling 100+ miles per week and was not losing, eating 1500-1800 calories a day. Go figure. I am still not losing but just started Cytomel about a month ago. My appetite goes up so much sometimes, but I guess that is part of the adjustment phase. I feel wired or tired, depending on the dose change and resulting insomnia. Are you starting medication or what? -Amie _____ From: Sue Walloch [mailto:smkatz3.1@...] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:04 PM hypothyroidism Subject: New on Board Hi! I'm Sue from Lakewood, CO. I found out I was hypothyroid in March 22, 2004. I went to see the dr about depression (I hadn't been to the dr for years), and he immediatly ran a blood test for my thyroid. I feel very fortunate after reading so much on how difficult it can be to get diagnosed. I'm 42 and I started experiencing problems with losing weight, I just thought it was about hitting the big 4-0. I've exercised regularly since I was 28. I was getting extremely frustrated wondering how much I had to exercise and how little I had to eat, now that I'm in my 40's. It's still frustrating: It takes 2 weeks to lose 2 pounds and then I gain those 2 pounds back overnight. Sue from CO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Tired but wired is adrenal. I think your adrenals are whupped. Gracia > I am still not losing but just started Cytomel about a month ago. My > appetite goes up so much sometimes, but I guess that is part of the > adjustment phase. I feel wired or tired, depending on the dose change and > resulting insomnia. > > > > Are you starting medication or what? > > > > -Amie > > > > _____ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 I've been taking Synthroid. Started out at .050 mg, now I'm taking .075 mg. I'm due for another blood test, so maybe my dosage will change. My B-day was in August, pigged out on cake...never again!!! I probably gained 5 pounds. Sue from CO From: Amie [mailto: amie1@...] hypothyroidism Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:00:12 -0500 Subject: RE: New on Board <html><body> <tt> No, I totally understand. I've been a competitive triathlete and marathoner<BR> and was stricter about my diet than anyone I knew, and it would take forever<BR> to lose any weight or I would just gain. And if I pigged out even one meal,<BR> forget it, all the weight would come back. I was swimming 3000 meters a<BR> week, running 30-45 miles per week, and cycling 100+ miles per week and was<BR> not losing, eating 1500-1800 calories a day. Go figure.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> I am still not losing but just started Cytomel about a month ago. My<BR> appetite goes up so much sometimes, but I guess that is part of the<BR> adjustment phase. I feel wired or tired, depending on the dose change and<BR> resulting insomnia.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> Are you starting medication or what?<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> -Amie<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>  _____ <BR> <BR> From: Sue Walloch [mailto:smkatz3.1@...] <BR> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:04 PM<BR> hypothyroidism <BR> Subject: New on Board<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> Hi!<BR> I'm Sue from Lakewood, CO. I found out I was hypothyroid in March <BR> 22, 2004. I went to see the dr about depression (I hadn't been to <BR> the dr for years), and he immediatly ran a blood test for my <BR> thyroid. I feel very fortunate after reading so much on how <BR> difficult it can be to get diagnosed.<BR> I'm 42 and I started experiencing problems with losing weight, I just <BR> thought it was about hitting the big 4-0. I've exercised regularly <BR> since I was 28. I was getting extremely frustrated wondering how <BR> much I had to exercise and how little I had to eat, now that I'm in <BR> my 40's. It's still frustrating: It takes 2 weeks to lose 2 pounds <BR> and then I gain those 2 pounds back overnight.<BR> Sue from CO      <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Can exercise make you feel really ill if you are hypoT? I had started to feel wonderful, just like the old me, then I took up aqua aerobics. Now I ache from head to foot, lymph nodes are up in my neck, having trouble eating because I feel sick and I just feel like I am burned out??? Any ideas about this would be greatly appreciated Thanks guys Lyn --- Amie <amie1@...> wrote: > No, I totally understand. I've been a competitive > triathlete and marathoner > and was stricter about my diet than anyone I knew, > and it would take forever > to lose any weight or I would just gain. And if I > pigged out even one meal, > forget it, all the weight would come back. I was > swimming 3000 meters a > week, running 30-45 miles per week, and cycling 100+ > miles per week and was > not losing, eating 1500-1800 calories a day. Go > figure. > > > > I am still not losing but just started Cytomel about > a month ago. My > appetite goes up so much sometimes, but I guess that > is part of the > adjustment phase. I feel wired or tired, depending > on the dose change and > resulting insomnia. > > > > Are you starting medication or what? > > > > -Amie > > > > _____ > > From: Sue Walloch [mailto:smkatz3.1@...] > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:04 PM > hypothyroidism > Subject: New on Board > > > > Hi! > I'm Sue from Lakewood, CO. I found out I was > hypothyroid in March > 22, 2004. I went to see the dr about depression (I > hadn't been to > the dr for years), and he immediatly ran a blood > test for my > thyroid. I feel very fortunate after reading so > much on how > difficult it can be to get diagnosed. > I'm 42 and I started experiencing problems with > losing weight, I just > thought it was about hitting the big 4-0. I've > exercised regularly > since I was 28. I was getting extremely frustrated > wondering how > much I had to exercise and how little I had to eat, > now that I'm in > my 40's. It's still frustrating: It takes 2 weeks > to lose 2 pounds > and then I gain those 2 pounds back overnight. > Sue from CO > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 evelyn tombs wrote: > Can exercise make you feel really ill if you are > hypoT? ... Absolutely. Exercise increases the rate at which you use up T3. If you are on T4 medication alone, this can even cause a temporary onset of symptoms when usage gets ahead of T4 to T3 conversion. You also feel the effects for several days while the T4 level rebounds. I did this myself last Saturday when I helped move some flagstone into a garden for just two hours of heavy lifting. After overdoing it, I had to just sit for several hours, took a long nap, then went to bed very early, around 6:30 p.m.. I'm just starting to feel normal again today. The problem is that we fine tune our dosage based on the level of exercise when we are sick, i.e. symptomatic of hypoT, which is probably not very active. Then, when we feel better, we try to resume a healthy active lifestyle and discover that our fine tuning is no longer sufficient. We do best with a steady, predictable level of exercise, and dosages adjusted to that steady state. An excursion in exercise level can really be punishing. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 i feel that way quiet often,i am hypo plus have constant sweating epesoides.anyone has this probelm?Necie Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:evelyn tombs wrote: > Can exercise make you feel really ill if you are > hypoT? ... Absolutely. Exercise increases the rate at which you use up T3. If you are on T4 medication alone, this can even cause a temporary onset of symptoms when usage gets ahead of T4 to T3 conversion. You also feel the effects for several days while the T4 level rebounds. I did this myself last Saturday when I helped move some flagstone into a garden for just two hours of heavy lifting. After overdoing it, I had to just sit for several hours, took a long nap, then went to bed very early, around 6:30 p.m.. I'm just starting to feel normal again today. The problem is that we fine tune our dosage based on the level of exercise when we are sick, i.e. symptomatic of hypoT, which is probably not very active. Then, when we feel better, we try to resume a healthy active lifestyle and discover that our fine tuning is no longer sufficient. We do best with a steady, predictable level of exercise, and dosages adjusted to that steady state. An excursion in exercise level can really be punishing. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 I've stopped triathlon training due to my insomnia with the medication. The insomnia is getting better, but now the fatigue has returned a bit too. Anyway, so when I go back to triathlon and marathon training I guess my dosage will need to be adjusted for that, too? I know there has to be a solution to this because I know there have been world class athletes who have been hypo - Smyers (thyroid cancer) and Carl as well. -Amie Re: New on Board evelyn tombs wrote: > Can exercise make you feel really ill if you are > hypoT? ... Absolutely. Exercise increases the rate at which you use up T3. If you are on T4 medication alone, this can even cause a temporary onset of symptoms when usage gets ahead of T4 to T3 conversion. You also feel the effects for several days while the T4 level rebounds. I did this myself last Saturday when I helped move some flagstone into a garden for just two hours of heavy lifting. After overdoing it, I had to just sit for several hours, took a long nap, then went to bed very early, around 6:30 p.m.. I'm just starting to feel normal again today. The problem is that we fine tune our dosage based on the level of exercise when we are sick, i.e. symptomatic of hypoT, which is probably not very active. Then, when we feel better, we try to resume a healthy active lifestyle and discover that our fine tuning is no longer sufficient. We do best with a steady, predictable level of exercise, and dosages adjusted to that steady state. An excursion in exercise level can really be punishing. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Well didn't start feeling tired but wired until the Cytomel came into play, and I was taking the dosage too late at night and not sleeping. Things have been leveled out now as far as that goes, but I'm still more tired than anything else, so think the dosages still need to be adjusted there. -Amie _____ From: Gracia [mailto:circe@...] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:22 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: New on Board Tired but wired is adrenal. I think your adrenals are whupped. Gracia > I am still not losing but just started Cytomel about a month ago. My > appetite goes up so much sometimes, but I guess that is part of the > adjustment phase. I feel wired or tired, depending on the dose change and > resulting insomnia. > > > > Are you starting medication or what? > > > > -Amie > > > > _____ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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