Guest guest Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 I did, why? I was also induced. Kathy epidurals Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 I didn't... I had an all natural home birth. Are you thinking there is a connection sometimes? > > I did, why? I was also induced. > Kathy > > epidurals > > > Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 Jeanie - this is an excellent question. Most epidurals (to my understanding) contain a morphine or morphine-like component. Morphine, and similar pain killers, are highly constipating. Also, the pain killers given to breastfeeding mothers after births (esp. after a c-section). Tylenol with codeine I think is one that is often given. Codeine can be converted by the body into morphine and can get into the breastmilk in unsafe amounts. And, if morphine affects the bowels of an adult, who knows what it is doing to the still developing GI tract of a newborn baby. I sort of dropped the epidural train of thought for my older son (epidural) because my younger son (no epidural) started showing signs of constipation, especially as I introduced solids. So, I went down the path of thinking it all had to do with antibiotics during labor (I had been given antibiotics at both births) and the idea that the good gut flora was never properly established and that they (and I) probably had major yeast issues. As you know, our story has gone down the gluten intolerance/celiac pathway. But, I'm still thinking yeast is a problem for us (antibiotics during labors) and going to work on that next. That said, I think there's something to the idea that pretty much any and all of the overused OB interventions during hospital births are playing a role in the increase in the issues our country's children are experiencing. I think the epidurals are NOT as " safe " (especially to baby) as OBs and mainstream medicine assure everyone. In fact, it's downright disgusting to me that it is assumed that every women *needs* (and most are under the belief that they " need " it) an epidural. In reality, it is just another way that the OB has control over the situation and can easily rush a woman off to give a c-section on a whim. I think a formal study should be done with regard to all US birth interventions in relation to the rise in autism and other issues (e.g., constipation/digestive issues, food allergies/intolerances (the non-genetic related - Celiac is genetic), etc.). Epidurals, induction with pitocin, antibiotics during labor and just after delivery, and post-birth painkillers are all taking a toll on the children being born in our country. I also wonder about the serious prenatal vitamins that most women are prescribed by their OBs. I don't think any OB is out there getting a dietary history on their patients to find out if these crazy gigantic vitamins are causing a woman (and developing fetus) to get too much of any particular vitamin(s) based on her diet. And who can say what the " right " amount is for any given person or an unborn fetus? Sorry, I ramble. Jeanie I'm glad you brought the epidural question up because it still lingered in the back of my mind. best, p.s. - I think I posted these links before but just in case: http://www.thebusinessofbeingborn.com/ Ricki Lake's documentary on US OB practices. In one interview with three OBs - they are asked if they'd EVER seen a completely natural childbirth and they all sat silently with baffled looks on their faces as if they had to think about what an all natural childbirth was before one said " rarely " (and giggled), another said " almost never, " and the third just sat there - sad. It truly is about business and making money. A hospital birth and 2 day stay for mom/baby is in the range of $15,000 (if there are NO complications - I can't fathom what it costs for a c-section birth) - usually paid for primarily by insurance. My home birth was $4000. That covered ALL prenatal visits, the birth, after birth care all the way through to the 6 week post-partum visit, and lactation consultation. Our pediatrician made a house call the day my son was born - $500. So, it totaled less than 1/3 the cost of what a hospital birth probably would've cost, yet no HMO covers midwives (that I know of) and some PPOs are not willing to reimburse (ours did at the 70 or 75% " out of network " rate - but this was apparently better than many of my midwife's clients). WHY? It's so much cheaper for them that you'd think they'd be encouraging midwife attended births. It's such a racket. Many (most?) hospitals do not allow for midwife attended births because they simply do not make enough money for the hospital. They do not do need several nurses on staff, they do not do a lot of high-tech fetal monitoring during labor, they do not routinely administer medications during labor, they do not routinely perform episiotomies, etc. etc. Not much for the hospital to bill the insurance companies for. Yet, the mainstream spin on this is that it's not " safe " to have a midwife attended birth or home birth. http://www.pregnantinamerica.com/ I'm not sure if this movie has been finished or has shown anywhere yet, but the trailer is still on the website. > > I did, why? I was also induced. > Kathy > > epidurals > > > Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 No epidurals here either...2 inductions, one with Cytotec and one with Pitocin. Bonnie I didn't... I had an all natural home birth. Are you thinking there is a connection sometimes? > > I did, why? I was also induced. > Kathy > > epidurals > > > Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 I'm glad you mentioned The Business of Being Born, ...I finally saw that just recently. It was incredible (though I wish they had spent more time discussing the third option--having a midwife-assisted birth in the hospital--that's what I did both times, and it was a relatively good experience, though I still would have preferred a home birth). Everyone should see it. Netflix has it... Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 well I was just wondering the corrolation between the constipation and nonverbal issues everyone is talking about. (besides the vaccines) Andy Wakefield would agree, that one needs to look at all the underlying issues while pregnant that could have affected the fetus. Because it's usually the amount of exposure to these things and adding an epidural must have some impact on the fetus. My dd was not born with any problems except the fact that I could here the balloons rubbing sound right after she was fed. She still can't burp, and I was just wondering if the chemicals in the epidurals could have something to do with constipation? or any other issues, just curious...........It would be interesting if they did a study on how many children became constipated if the mother had an epidural, I had a reaction to the epinephrine in the epidural and I went into heartblock, they had to take it out and do a spinal right in the same sitting...............on the other hand, I had an epidural with my second child, and saw no problems at all............... Hudson wrote: I did, why? I was also induced. Kathy epidurals Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 I had epidurals with both pregnancies ( although they didn't take) and one child is perfectly normal and one is severely autistic. I do know why that is but I don't think it was the epidurals. NT child - No antibiotics until after age one, no Hep. B shots, natural pregnancy, no immune system assaults. ASD child- Antibiotics starting at age one month and continued throughout the first year, 3 Hep B shots, fertility drugs, immune system affected by shots + antibiotics causing yeast overgrowth and food allergies as a young baby. This is just my story. Kathy epidurals >> >> >> Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated >> kids, had an > epidural? >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: >> 4/19/2008 11:31 > AM >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 Yes, it's good to look into these issues, Abby used to hiccup constantly in the womb ! She kicked so hard I felt sore...............weird. I think some of her GI issues and autism were predestined but the shots and antibiotics just set it off. epidurals Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 , the also vaccinate at birth, hep b, this first shot is suppose to be so toxic, like 100 times more toxic than the little body can handle. If your child became constipated when you introduced solid foods, then he already must have had dtap too, correct? That's what I think constipated my dd. The chemicals in the epidurals surely could have caused damage as well. Just like the miralax, I've seen too many people all complaining that they think the DTaP shot caused their constipation. BTW there's a show on tv, I just switched to at & t and I have all these new channels, there is a show called mysterious diagnosis, this show is incredible, these people go from doctor to doctor with all kinds of symptoms and they always get it wrong until one doctor finds what so many have missed. People suffer everyday, from misdiagnosing a situation. Never stop looking for an answer, these people are just people and for some reason, we assume they know............. example, last night it was about a woman who had headaches and she was given antibiotics over and over for years, finally she went to another doctor, and they found out there was a tiny hole behind her sinus's and the fluid around her brain was leaking, this caused a metallic tasted, nasel drip, and severe headaches, they didn't find it until she took all her years of records to another doc, they did a spinal tap and found it, this woman suffered for years and could have died while they were trying to figure it out. Too many doc's wear blinders and just hear what they want to hear and misdiagnose everyday in this country. Jeanie littlelief wrote: Jeanie -this is an excellent question. Most epidurals (to my understanding) contain a morphine or morphine-like component. Morphine, and similar pain killers, are highly constipating. Also, the pain killers given to breastfeeding mothers after births (esp. after a c-section). Tylenol with codeine I think is one that is often given. Codeine can be converted by the body into morphine and can get into the breastmilk in unsafe amounts. And, if morphine affects the bowels of an adult, who knows what it is doing to the still developing GI tract of a newborn baby.I sort of dropped the epidural train of thought for my older son (epidural) because my younger son (no epidural) started showing signs of constipation, especially as I introduced solids. So, I went down the path of thinking it all had to do with antibiotics during labor (I had been given antibiotics at both births) and the idea that the good gut flora was never properly established and that they (and I) probably had major yeast issues.As you know, our story has gone down the gluten intolerance/celiac pathway. But, I'm still thinking yeast is a problem for us (antibiotics during labors) and going to work on that next.That said, I think there's something to the idea that pretty much any and all of the overused OB interventions during hospital births are playing a role in the increase in the issues our country's children are experiencing. I think the epidurals are NOT as "safe" (especially to baby) as OBs and mainstream medicine assure everyone. In fact, it's downright disgusting to me that it is assumed that every women *needs* (and most are under the belief that they "need" it) an epidural. In reality, it is just another way that the OB has control over the situation and can easily rush a woman off to give a c-section on a whim. I think a formal study should be done with regard to all US birth interventions in relation to the rise in autism and other issues (e.g., constipation/digestive issues, food allergies/intolerances (the non-genetic related - Celiac is genetic), etc.). Epidurals, induction with pitocin, antibiotics during labor and just after delivery, and post-birth painkillers are all taking a toll on the children being born in our country.I also wonder about the serious prenatal vitamins that most women are prescribed by their OBs. I don't think any OB is out there getting a dietary history on their patients to find out if these crazy gigantic vitamins are causing a woman (and developing fetus) to get too much of any particular vitamin(s) based on her diet. And who can say what the "right" amount is for any given person or an unborn fetus? Sorry, I ramble. Jeanie I'm glad you brought the epidural question up because it still lingered in the back of my mind.best,p.s. - I think I posted these links before but just in case:http://www.thebusinessofbeingborn.com/Ricki Lake's documentary on US OB practices. In one interview with three OBs - they are asked if they'd EVER seen a completely natural childbirth and they all sat silently with baffled looks on their faces as if they had to think about what an all natural childbirth was before one said "rarely" (and giggled), another said "almost never," and the third just sat there - sad.It truly is about business and making money. A hospital birth and 2 day stay for mom/baby is in the range of $15,000 (if there are NO complications - I can't fathom what it costs for a c-section birth) - usually paid for primarily by insurance. My home birth was $4000. That covered ALL prenatal visits, the birth, after birth care all the way through to the 6 week post-partum visit, and lactation consultation. Our pediatrician made a house call the day my son was born - $500. So, it totaled less than 1/3 the cost of what a hospital birth probably would've cost, yet no HMO covers midwives (that I know of) and some PPOs are not willing to reimburse (ours did at the 70 or 75% "out of network" rate - but this was apparently better than many of my midwife's clients). WHY? It's so much cheaper for them that you'd think they'd be encouraging midwife attended births. It's such a racket. Many (most?) hospitals do not allow for midwife attended births because they simply do not make enough money for the hospital. They do not do need several nurses on staff, they do not do a lot of high-tech fetal monitoring during labor, they do not routinely administer medications during labor, they do not routinely perform episiotomies, etc. etc. Not much for the hospital to bill the insurance companies for. Yet, the mainstream spin on this is that it's not "safe" to have a midwife attended birth or home birth.http://www.pregnantinamerica.com/I'm not sure if this movie has been finished or has shown anywhere yet, but the trailer is still on the website.>> I did, why? I was also induced.> Kathy> > epidurals> > > Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 I had an epidural with my daughter and most of her 8 years of life has been constipation free (until the last year worth of diet changes!), but my son (whom I didn't have an epidural for) has had life long constipation. epidurals> > > Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 Kathy , did you ever have a comprehensive stool sample done to diagnose the amount of yeast? Did you give probiotics to replenish the good bacteria? Did you ever have him retested to see if it helped? Jeanie Hudson wrote: I had epidurals with both pregnancies ( although they didn't take) and one child is perfectly normaland one is severely autistic. I do know why that is but I don't think it was the epidurals.NT child - No antibiotics until after age one, no Hep. B shots, natural pregnancy, no immune system assaults.ASD child- Antibiotics starting at age one month and continued throughout the first year, 3 Hep B shots,fertility drugs, immune system affected by shots + antibiotics causing yeast overgrowth and food allergiesas a young baby.This is just my story.Kathy epidurals>>>>>> Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated >> kids, had an> epidural?>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------> ----------->>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG.>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: >> 4/19/2008 11:31> AM>>>>> ------------------------------------>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 Yes, we've done several of those over the years. Her stools are actually much better than the past. No more black flecks ( which I think were caused by miralax ), no more urinary pain or problems, no undigested food, no awful smells............. She has been GFCF for over 10 years and we did a course of SCD for a year plus sulfasalazine, and LOD for a year. She's had many different enzymes, probiotics and anti-fungals over the years and I do think she is much better. Her last scoping looked good. The main issue is soft stool that just sits there probably due to how the rest of her body is: low tone and no motor planning. epidurals>>>>>> Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated >> kids, had an> epidural?>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------> ----------->>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG.>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: >> 4/19/2008 11:31> AM>>>>> ------------------------------------>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 Did your son receive antibiotics at an early age? Also, when I see a pattern of a whole family of autistic children, it makes me wonder if they all had the same pediatrician. Meaning they all had the same vaccine schedule, in which it could repeat itself, did they have the same pediatrician? with the same regimn? Does anyone ever wonder if they were having our vaccines made in China, like sending them out to be manufactured? This would be interesting to find out, they're doing it with everthing else? Vickers wrote: I had an epidural with my daughter and most of her 8 years of life has been constipation free (until the last year worth of diet changes!), but my son (whom I didn't have an epidural for) has had life long constipation. epidurals> > > Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 so with the yeast, what were the ratios? like 4+ went to? (0+) etc. Good bacteria went from 0+ to 4+? I'm wondering how long it takes to replenish using probiotics? My dd had 0+ good bacteria and 4+ candida, I never treated the yeast. We are using Kirkmans pro bio gold and I must say ever since she started it the canker sores in her mouth have not returned! Her behavior improves immensely and she goes with hardly any problems, I can't say enough about probiotics, I know everyone wants to see immediate results with things but it's kind of a suttle improvement you can't see instantly but it's smooth sailing and improves everything as a whole without seeing anything instantly. Years ago, I even stopped them because I didn't see anthing different, but now I truely see a difference, maybe it was the brand I was using, the one I used years ago was from a chiropractor, every one has different bacteria, maybe this one has the bacteria she was missing? I use Kirkmans chewable. Can't say enough about it. Jeanie Hudson wrote: Yes, we've done several of those over the years. Her stools are actually much better than the past. No more black flecks ( which I think were caused by miralax ), no more urinary pain or problems, no undigested food, no awful smells............. She has been GFCF for over 10 years and we did a course of SCD for a year plus sulfasalazine, and LOD for a year. She's had many different enzymes, probiotics and anti-fungals over the years and I do think she is much better. Her last scoping looked good. The main issue is soft stool that just sits there probably due to how the rest of her body is: low tone and no motor planning. epidurals>>>>>> Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated >> kids, had an> epidural?>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------> ----------->>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message.>> Checked by AVG.>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: >> 4/19/2008 11:31> AM>>>>> ------------------------------------>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 induced with and epidoral here...actually 2 needles and 4 doses of epidoral!!! Darn thing never kicked in! Subject: Re: epiduralsTo: miralax Date: Sunday, April 20, 2008, 2:08 AM I didn't... I had an all natural home birth. Are you thinking there is a connection sometimes?>> I did, why? I was also induced.> Kathy> > epidurals> > > Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 My son was blind for the first year of life and I believe it was the first B vac. Also the Dtap started his constipation issues then the mmr started seizures, his school shots at 5yrs just about did him in! So many toxins/chemicals we are living with and if we dont stop it our children dont have a chance! Jennie wrote: , the also vaccinate at birth, hep b, this first shot is suppose to be so toxic, like 100 times more toxic than the little body can handle. If your child became constipated when you introduced solid foods, then he already must have had dtap too, correct? That's what I think constipated my dd. The chemicals in the epidurals surely could have caused damage as well. Just like the miralax, I've seen too many people all complaining that they think the DTaP shot caused their constipation. BTW there's a show on tv, I just switched to at & t and I have all these new channels, there is a show called mysterious diagnosis, this show is incredible, these people go from doctor to doctor with all kinds of symptoms and they always get it wrong until one doctor finds what so many have missed. People suffer everyday, from misdiagnosing a situation. Never stop looking for an answer, these people are just people and for some reason, we assume they know............. example, last night it was about a woman who had headaches and she was given antibiotics over and over for years, finally she went to another doctor, and they found out there was a tiny hole behind her sinus's and the fluid around her brain was leaking, this caused a metallic tasted, nasel drip, and severe headaches, they didn't find it until she took all her years of records to another doc, they did a spinal tap and found it, this woman suffered for years and could have died while they were trying to figure it out. Too many doc's wear blinders and just hear what they want to hear and misdiagnose everyday in this country. Jeanie littlelief <littleliefhotmail> wrote: Jeanie -this is an excellent question. Most epidurals (to my understanding) contain a morphine or morphine-like component. Morphine, and similar pain killers, are highly constipating. Also, the pain killers given to breastfeeding mothers after births (esp. after a c-section). Tylenol with codeine I think is one that is often given. Codeine can be converted by the body into morphine and can get into the breastmilk in unsafe amounts. And, if morphine affects the bowels of an adult, who knows what it is doing to the still developing GI tract of a newborn baby.I sort of dropped the epidural train of thought for my older son (epidural) because my younger son (no epidural) started showing signs of constipation, especially as I introduced solids. So, I went down the path of thinking it all had to do with antibiotics during labor (I had been given antibiotics at both births) and the idea that the good gut flora was never properly established and that they (and I) probably had major yeast issues.As you know, our story has gone down the gluten intolerance/celiac pathway. But, I'm still thinking yeast is a problem for us (antibiotics during labors) and going to work on that next.That said, I think there's something to the idea that pretty much any and all of the overused OB interventions during hospital births are playing a role in the increase in the issues our country's children are experiencing. I think the epidurals are NOT as "safe" (especially to baby) as OBs and mainstream medicine assure everyone. In fact, it's downright disgusting to me that it is assumed that every women *needs* (and most are under the belief that they "need" it) an epidural. In reality, it is just another way that the OB has control over the situation and can easily rush a woman off to give a c-section on a whim. I think a formal study should be done with regard to all US birth interventions in relation to the rise in autism and other issues (e.g., constipation/digestive issues, food allergies/intolerances (the non-genetic related - Celiac is genetic), etc.). Epidurals, induction with pitocin, antibiotics during labor and just after delivery, and post-birth painkillers are all taking a toll on the children being born in our country.I also wonder about the serious prenatal vitamins that most women are prescribed by their OBs. I don't think any OB is out there getting a dietary history on their patients to find out if these crazy gigantic vitamins are causing a woman (and developing fetus) to get too much of any particular vitamin(s) based on her diet. And who can say what the "right" amount is for any given person or an unborn fetus? Sorry, I ramble. Jeanie I'm glad you brought the epidural question up because it still lingered in the back of my mind.best,p.s. - I think I posted these links before but just in case:http://www.thebusinessofbeingborn.com/Ricki Lake's documentary on US OB practices. In one interview with three OBs - they are asked if they'd EVER seen a completely natural childbirth and they all sat silently with baffled looks on their faces as if they had to think about what an all natural childbirth was before one said "rarely" (and giggled), another said "almost never," and the third just sat there - sad.It truly is about business and making money. A hospital birth and 2 day stay for mom/baby is in the range of $15,000 (if there are NO complications - I can't fathom what it costs for a c-section birth) - usually paid for primarily by insurance. My home birth was $4000. That covered ALL prenatal visits, the birth, after birth care all the way through to the 6 week post-partum visit, and lactation consultation. Our pediatrician made a house call the day my son was born - $500. So, it totaled less than 1/3 the cost of what a hospital birth probably would've cost, yet no HMO covers midwives (that I know of) and some PPOs are not willing to reimburse (ours did at the 70 or 75% "out of network" rate - but this was apparently better than many of my midwife's clients). WHY? It's so much cheaper for them that you'd think they'd be encouraging midwife attended births. It's such a racket. Many (most?) hospitals do not allow for midwife attended births because they simply do not make enough money for the hospital. They do not do need several nurses on staff, they do not do a lot of high-tech fetal monitoring during labor, they do not routinely administer medications during labor, they do not routinely perform episiotomies, etc. etc. Not much for the hospital to bill the insurance companies for. Yet, the mainstream spin on this is that it's not "safe" to have a midwife attended birth or home birth.http://www.pregnantinamerica.com/I'm not sure if this movie has been finished or has shown anywhere yet, but the trailer is still on the website.>> I did, why? I was also induced.> Kathy> > epidurals> > > Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 I def. think antibiotics had a part, along with vaccines. He never went frequently from day one, but by 7 weeks of age he went 9 days w/o a stool. He also got sick and had antibiotics at the same time. I know with my daughter, I had antibiotics for a sinus infection at the very end of my pregnancy. After numerous antibiotics for ear infections in the first few years of their lives, both of their immune systems were clearly compromised, and I def. attribute their leaky guts to that and the vaccines (and most likely some genetic predisposition). My daughter was probably on the fringes of the autistic spectrum when she was much younger, and diagnosed with ADHD and sensory processing disorder. I'm happy to say that after a lot of biomedical treatments and diet modifications things have greatly improved (and she is now much more neuro typical). Their guts are healing and I look forward to the day we don't have to rely on magnesium to get the daily stools. epidurals> > > Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 YES! - forgot about the HepB vaccine (also, there's the vitamin K shot - I still haven't found out if they use mercury/thimerosol preservative or other nasty chemicals in that one..). That hep B vaccine - another travesty. I refused it. The only time my DS#1 was out of my site in the hospital, literally, was when the pediatrician wanted to do his exam in the nursery. He was at my side, my husband's arms, or my room except those few minutes. I hardly slept (you know they are in and out of your room so much in the hospital) and DS#1 was in my bed with me 95% of the time in the hospital. Of course, my husband had just gone home to take a shower when the ped came to do the exam. I did relinquish and let her take him to the nursery but I reiterated my position on the vaccine a few times (she already knew before the birth that I wanted no vaccines). He did not have any marks on him or any bandaid (they usually use a bandaid after vaccines, I think???) so I trusted that she honored my wishes. Although I regret often that I did not insist she stay in my room to do the exam or wait for my husband to return and go with her. And, he did not get ANY vaccine until 6 months when he did get one DTaP dose. He had a second DTaP dose at 9 months and NONE since then. I did find it intriguing when some members here mentioned constipation setting in after DTaP. The timing of the DTaP did correlate to the introduction of solids for DS#1. But, DS#1 had bowel issues (blood/mucus in stool) from age 3wks on - due to food intolerances from foods I ate and got through in breastmilk. I eliminated a lot from my diet then (casein/egg/soy/nuts/corn - if only ANYONE would've suggested removing gluten back then). My younger son was born at home and definitely has NEVER received any injection of any kind - no vitamin K, no vaccines. DS#2 showed signs of constipation as solids were introduced also. It's still possible that DTaP made things worse for DS#1, but since DS#2 also had signs of constipation at about the same age and no DTaP, I just don't know if that was a problem for us or not. Gluten seems to be a huge culprit for us - and casein. I think egg - should get DS#1's enterolab testing back this week which will include egg. (I believe it's problematic, but DH needs to see it in writing before he agrees to eliminate. You'd think he'd start to believe my instincts on some of this stuff by now...?!?!) We are now GF/CF/mostly EF/mostly SF and we still rely on about 300mg magnesium a day, sometimes needing more. I'm hoping that as time goes on, the gluten/casein damage will reverse/heal, we can rid the yeast and any other unwelcome GI guests, repopulate the good bugs in the gut, and perhaps ease up on daily magnesium...... That's my hope, at this point.... > > > > I did, why? I was also induced. > > Kathy > > > > epidurals > > > > > > Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an > epidural? > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 > AM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 constipated kid, but never had an epidural. epidurals Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 There does seem to be a pattern of antibiotic use while pregnant and constipated infants, I was on one too. Vickers wrote: I def. think antibiotics had a part, along with vaccines. He never went frequently from day one, but by 7 weeks of age he went 9 days w/o a stool. He also got sick and had antibiotics at the same time. I know with my daughter, I had antibiotics for a sinus infection at the very end of my pregnancy. After numerous antibiotics for ear infections in the first few years of their lives, both of their immune systems were clearly compromised, and I def. attribute their leaky guts to that and the vaccines (and most likely some genetic predisposition). My daughter was probably on the fringes of the autistic spectrum when she was much younger, and diagnosed with ADHD and sensory processing disorder. I'm happy to say that after a lot of biomedical treatments and diet modifications things have greatly improved (and she is now much more neuro typical). Their guts are healing and I look forward to the day we don't have to rely on magnesium to get the daily stools. epidurals> > > Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 I wish I could send you this picture of me right after I had my second child, my lips had umteen fever blisters all over it from a reaction to the chemicals, it almost looked like one of those bubble corals from the sea. I always wondered what if fact caused that? Anyone? Jeanielittlelief wrote: Just a note to restate something in my earlier post - I meant to saythat most epidurals (to my knowledge) have an opiate-like painmedicine (e.g., fentanyl) that exerts the same "opioid effect" on thebowels that morphine does (and, what apparently gluten and casein cando). I just looked up fentanyl - it has a potency of 80x that of morphine...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanylkristin--- In miralax , "littlelief" wrote:>> Jeanie -> > this is an excellent question. Most epidurals (to my understanding)contain a morphine or > morphine-like component. Morphine, and similar pain killers, arehighly constipating. > Also, the pain killers given to breastfeeding mothers after births(esp. after a c-section). > Tylenol with codeine I think is one that is often given. Codeinecan be converted by the > body into morphine and can get into the breastmilk in unsafeamounts. And, if morphine > affects the bowels of an adult, who knows what it is doing to thestill developing GI tract > of a newborn baby.> > I sort of dropped the epidural train of thought for my older son(epidural) because my > younger son (no epidural) started showing signs of constipation,especially as I introduced > solids. So, I went down the path of thinking it all had to do withantibiotics during labor (I > had been given antibiotics at both births) and the idea that thegood gut flora was never > properly established and that they (and I) probably had major yeastissues.> > As you know, our story has gone down the gluten intolerance/celiacpathway. But, I'm still > thinking yeast is a problem for us (antibiotics during labors) andgoing to work on that > next.> > That said, I think there's something to the idea that pretty muchany and all of the > overused OB interventions during hospital births are playing a rolein the increase in the > issues our country's children are experiencing. I think theepidurals are NOT as "safe" > (especially to baby) as OBs and mainstream medicine assure everyone.In fact, it's > downright disgusting to me that it is assumed that every women*needs* (and most are > under the belief that they "need" it) an epidural. In reality, itis just another way that the > OB has control over the situation and can easily rush a woman off togive a c-section on a > whim. > > I think a formal study should be done with regard to all US birthinterventions in relation > to the rise in autism and other issues (e.g., constipation/digestiveissues, food > allergies/intolerances (the non-genetic related - Celiac isgenetic), etc.). Epidurals, > induction with pitocin, antibiotics during labor and just afterdelivery, and post-birth > painkillers are all taking a toll on the children being born in ourcountry.> > I also wonder about the serious prenatal vitamins that most womenare prescribed by their > OBs. I don't think any OB is out there getting a dietary history ontheir patients to find out > if these crazy gigantic vitamins are causing a woman (and developingfetus) to get too > much of any particular vitamin(s) based on her diet. And who cansay what the "right" > amount is for any given person or an unborn fetus? > > Sorry, I ramble. Jeanie I'm glad you brought the epidural questionup because it still > lingered in the back of > my mind.> > best,> > > p.s. - I think I posted these links before but just in case:> > http://www.thebusinessofbeingborn.com/> Ricki Lake's documentary on US OB practices. In one interview withthree OBs - they are > asked if they'd EVER seen a completely natural childbirth and theyall sat silently with > baffled looks on their faces as if they had to think about what anall natural childbirth was > before one said "rarely" (and giggled), another said "almost never,"and the third just sat > there - sad.> > It truly is about business and making money. A hospital birth and 2day stay for > mom/baby is in the range of $15,000 (if there are NO complications -I can't fathom what > it costs for a c-section birth) - usually paid for primarily byinsurance. My home birth was > $4000. That covered ALL prenatal visits, the birth, after birthcare all the way through to > the 6 week post-partum visit, and lactation consultation. Ourpediatrician made a house > call the day my son was born - $500. So, it totaled less than 1/3the cost of what a > hospital birth probably would've cost, yet no HMO covers midwives(that I know of) and > some PPOs are not willing to reimburse (ours did at the 70 or 75%"out of network" rate - > but this was apparently better than many of my midwife's clients). WHY? It's so much > cheaper for them that you'd think they'd be encouraging midwifeattended births. It's > such a racket. Many (most?) hospitals do not allow for midwifeattended births because > they simply do not make enough money for the hospital. They do notdo need several > nurses on staff, they do not do a lot of high-tech fetal monitoringduring labor, they do > not routinely administer medications during labor, they do notroutinely perform > episiotomies, etc. etc. Not much for the hospital to bill theinsurance companies for. Yet, > the mainstream spin on this is that it's not "safe" to have amidwife attended birth or > home birth.> > http://www.pregnantinamerica.com/> I'm not sure if this movie has been finished or has shown anywhereyet, but the trailer is > still on the website.> > > >> > I did, why? I was also induced.> > Kathy> > > > epidurals> > > > > > Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that haveconstipated kids, had an > epidural? > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> -----------> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date:4/19/2008 11:31 > AM> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 thx Ernst wrote: constipated kid, but never had an epidural. epidurals Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Yes i agree! Antibiotics has a huge/majority of causing problems with medical issues. They destroy the ability of toxin/chemical excretion and I feel this was a big trigger when it came to my sons reaction to vaccines, he was unable to excrete the metals etc. Jennie<>< > > > > I did, why? I was also induced. > > Kathy > > > > epidurals > > > > > > Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an > epidural? > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > ----------- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 > AM > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 I did...scheduled C-Section. They topped my epi off 3 times!jeanie ward wrote: Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Almost forgot, in addition to topping off the epidural 3x, they hit me with two shots of Duramorph - one just as the c was begun, and one after. Morphine is supposed to be constipating, isn't it?jeanie ward wrote: Just out of curiosity, how many moms on here that have constipated kids, had an epidural? Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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