Re: can hcg be delivered with dmso?

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> For those of you who don't know what hcg is - it's a hormone used

> either sublingually or through injections to force the body to burn

> fat for weight loss. It's also used as a fertility drug and is the

> hormone that shows up when testing for pregnancy in those stick test

> thingers. I've ordered mine for weight loss. More info here:

> But, that's about it. I've ordered the hcg and it's coming in powder

> form of 5,000 IU ampoules that needs to be mixed with bacteriostatic

> water and then injected at 125 cc doses. Is that too much to try to

> rub into skin?

>

> Any insights are greatly appreciated.

Use 30g 1/2 inch needles. That are so small one almost cannot feel the

injection.

However, I use HCG as addition to testosterone replacement so I only use

it twice a week at 250 IU and in no way does it benefit weight loss.

As to the diet, I've found about a half dozen studies in the medical

literature (PubMed) and in all of them HCG provided no benefit. From

what I'm able to determine, the entire benefit of this diet can be

obtained without the HCG. Since HCG stimulates testosterone production

in men, it shouldn't be used by them unless they have hypogonadism.

Going of 500 calories per day, most of that fat and protein, is similar

to fasting and the body starts mobilizing fat from storage in that first

three day period resulting in the elimination of hunger until fat stores

start to be used up. The carb loading that starts the diet seems

completely unnecessary.

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[Guest guest]

The simple answer is no. The MW is 43,000 daltonsl, which is more than 1,000.

43.000 is

another way to write 43,000.

Hormones are very large molecules in general and do not cross the gut wall

either, hence

most must be injected or absorbed transdermally or sublingually.

Garnet

>

> For those of you who don't know what hcg is - it's a hormone used

> either sublingually or through injections to force the body to burn

> fat for weight loss. It's also used as a fertility drug and is the

> hormone that shows up when testing for pregnancy in those stick test

> thingers. I've ordered mine for weight loss. More info here:

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin

>

> Since injections don't really thrill me too much, I was wondering if I

> could use dmso? I know dmso has a limit of 1000 daltons, so I poked

> around and found this:

>

> http://www.gfmer.ch/Endo/Lectures_08/sexual_hormones.htm

>

> " hCG is a glycoprotein with a molecular weight of about 43.000

> daltons, produced by the syncytiotrophoblast. "

>

> But, that's about it. I've ordered the hcg and it's coming in powder

> form of 5,000 IU ampoules that needs to be mixed with bacteriostatic

> water and then injected at 125 cc doses. Is that too much to try to

> rub into skin?

>

> Any insights are greatly appreciated.

>

> -vanessa

>

> ... fat and unhappy

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Question here. Transdermally I thought meant acros the skin

barrier and assumed from all I've read/absorbed so far that DMSO was

the most effective of the transdermals. However, your post seems to

say that there are other substances which would take this hcg or

whatever accross the skin barrier when DMSO can't. If this is a

correct understanding, what would those substances be? Joyce

> >

> > For those of you who don't know what hcg is - it's a hormone used

> > either sublingually or through injections to force the body to

burn

> > fat for weight loss. It's also used as a fertility drug and is

the

> > hormone that shows up when testing for pregnancy in those stick

test

> > thingers. I've ordered mine for weight loss. More info here:

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin

> >

> > Since injections don't really thrill me too much, I was wondering

if I

> > could use dmso? I know dmso has a limit of 1000 daltons, so I

poked

> > around and found this:

> >

> > http://www.gfmer.ch/Endo/Lectures_08/sexual_hormones.htm

> >

> > " hCG is a glycoprotein with a molecular weight of about 43.000

> > daltons, produced by the syncytiotrophoblast. "

> >

> > But, that's about it. I've ordered the hcg and it's coming in

powder

> > form of 5,000 IU ampoules that needs to be mixed with

bacteriostatic

> > water and then injected at 125 cc doses. Is that too much to try

to

> > rub into skin?

> >

> > Any insights are greatly appreciated.

> >

> > -vanessa

> >

> > ... fat and unhappy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Transdermal absorption simply means " across the dermis " or skin. The term does

not

imply enhanced or even efficacious (effective) absorption.

Emu Oil enhances absorption, although I do not know if it will facilitate

absorption of a

molecule as large a most hormones. But it is something to look into. The Emu

Association

literature claims that it is second only to DMSO in enhancing absorption of some

substances.

I do know that some pharmaceutical hormone preparations are designed to be

transdermally absorbed. Some hormones may be naturally absorped across the skin.

This

does not mean that it is a more efficiently or even efficacious route of

administration, in

plain english, it might be a waste of the hormone to rub it on your skin.

DMSO transports substances across cell membranes due to its similarity to the

structure

of water. It is 1.3 times more soluble in water than water, so it kicks some of

the water out

of the cell membrane and moves in and through to the cell interior.

Keep in mind that the body evolved it's system of hormone delivery to be direct

release to

the circulatory system and subsequent delivery to tissues via the blood. This

means that a

hormone has to diffuse or be actively transported across cell membranes.

Garnet

> > >

> > > For those of you who don't know what hcg is - it's a hormone used

> > > either sublingually or through injections to force the body to

> burn

> > > fat for weight loss. It's also used as a fertility drug and is

> the

> > > hormone that shows up when testing for pregnancy in those stick

> test

> > > thingers. I've ordered mine for weight loss. More info here:

> > >

> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin

> > >

> > > Since injections don't really thrill me too much, I was wondering

> if I

> > > could use dmso? I know dmso has a limit of 1000 daltons, so I

> poked

> > > around and found this:

> > >

> > > http://www.gfmer.ch/Endo/Lectures_08/sexual_hormones.htm

> > >

> > > " hCG is a glycoprotein with a molecular weight of about 43.000

> > > daltons, produced by the syncytiotrophoblast. "

> > >

> > > But, that's about it. I've ordered the hcg and it's coming in

> powder

> > > form of 5,000 IU ampoules that needs to be mixed with

> bacteriostatic

> > > water and then injected at 125 cc doses. Is that too much to try

> to

> > > rub into skin?

> > >

> > > Any insights are greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > -vanessa

> > >

> > > ... fat and unhappy

> > >

> >

>