New member

[Guest guest]

Hi Reggie (and other memebrs of this group),

I am overwhelmed with the kind welcome I get ont his list.

I am usually a lurker on mailinglists, especially when I haven't much to contribute, but I will be a bit more active, or at least try to be.

I am Dutch, astrologer, live with two cats, am chronically ill and handicapped and after one false start last year I am trying to adopt macrobiotics as a way to improve my life and health (hopefully).

I find it hard to cook three meals a day, and find my way in the philosophy behind it all, but I am reading as much as I possibly can, and of course, I will ask questions on this list :-))

And the weather is just as hot here in Holland, so I make salds and soups and sleep in the garden :-)), which is what I am going back to.

Thanks again for the welcome!

Laurie.

new member

Laurie, welcome to our group! Please feel free to ask any questions you'd like people have been quiet lately maybe it's the heat???????? But there are plenty of people here with loads of knowledge. If someone doesn't know something I will do my best to find out for you.I'm happy to have you here!Best,Reggie

[Guest guest]

Great to hear from you Laurie... hope you can get some helpful tips

here... Reg and I are also in

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/worldvegs if you're interested.

There are also some great recipe groups in yahooland but you're

likely aware of them.

I have spent over 3 weeks in Holland in two visits when traveling in

Europe ['99 and '00] and loved it! Amsterdam is surreal and bicycling

from there, along the coast, and various cities and villages was

rewarding [besides all the art]. I stayed in a castle [hostel] and

had an adventure with a Swiss friend siteseeing in Delft. I found the

inhabitants friendly and accommendating.

Do you have a website to do online astrology or just locally? Waves

to you and kitties. /Oregon

, " Laurie Borgman " <l.borgman@c...> wrote:

> Hi Reggie (and other memebrs of this group),

>

> I am overwhelmed with the kind welcome I get ont his list.

> I am usually a lurker on mailinglists, especially when I haven't

much to contribute, but I will be a bit more active, or at least try

to be.

> I am Dutch, astrologer, live with two cats, am chronically ill and

handicapped and after one false start last year I am trying to adopt

macrobiotics as a way to improve my life and health (hopefully).

> I find it hard to cook three meals a day, and find my way in the

philosophy behind it all, but I am reading as much as I possibly can,

and of course, I will ask questions on this list :-))

>

> And the weather is just as hot here in Holland, so I make salds and

soups and sleep in the garden :-)), which is what I am going back to.

>

> Thanks again for the welcome!

>

> Laurie.

>

>

>

> new member

>

>

> Laurie, welcome to our group! Please feel free to ask any

questions

> you'd like people have been quiet lately maybe it's the

> heat???????? But there are plenty of people here with loads of

> knowledge. If someone doesn't know something I will do my best

to

> find out for you.

> I'm happy to have you here!

> Best,

> Reggie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yippee Ken! Welcome sweetie! I hope we'll keep in touch now! It's been a very long time!

Reggie I just got your text message, I was away on vacation. No not everyone is fine in Jamaica but thanks for asking. How are you doing with all the hits you've had out there? I've been thinking lots about you and wish you all the best with everything going on!

Love you lots!

Sin

p.s. I'd love to hear everyone's opinon on the controversies of soy! ...and prenatal vitamins!

Thank you

"...become the change you envision" Hinds ----Original Message Follows---- Reply-To: VeganMacrobiotics To: VeganMacrobiotics Subject: new member Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:01:34 -0000 I'd like to welcome and new member to the group. He is a very dear person and I'm happy to say caring friend. Ken, welcome to the group, tell 'em something about you............. Reggie

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo Greendragon,

Welcome to our group. Thanks for the long introduction.

I'm sorry to hear that you were critisized for your theories. I personally

find theories very stimulating, even if I happen not to agree with them. I

am always eager to learn something new, so I'm bristling with curiosity now

to hear yours. Please feel free to share them here if you wish. I think I

speak for most of us when I say that we are rather openminded, friendly and

supportive here.

Inger (who also some theories, some of which are a bit too unorthodox to be

mentioned just anywhere)

> Hello to all members,

> I was on the Aspergia board at the very beginning but have not posted

there for a very long time. I posted under the name of greendragon, now

I am Jo_greendragon. I do not have a formal diagnosis, but my partner

Steve does and I have a granddaughter with diagnosed AS too.

> I got criticised severely for airing some pet theories of mine by one

particular member who deemed them to be unscientific. I got really

upset about it so I stopped posting but carried on reading messages. I

do believe that there are many ways of looking at something and that

theories are meant to stimulate thought and discussion, and do not

claim to be absolute or only truth. There is often no absolute right

or absolute wrong and I do believe in multiple truths, at its simplest-

is a plumber, is a father, is a lover of cats, all

these could be equally true at the same time and no answer is " better "

than any other one. It is just looking at different aspects of the

same picture, which can help to build up a more comprehensive picture.

> Reading back over some of the messages, I caught the discussion about

Aspies being unable to lie in social situations. I think the problem

was that he interpreted my theories as a lie, but as a person who

spends a lot of time discussing religion and politics, these fields

are largely opinion and belief, rather than true or false and are

matters of interpretation. Someone (wish I knew who) once said that one

man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, it all depends on

your own perspective.

> I would like to post to this new group, If I may, without causing

controversy, I am always happy to explain anything further if required

to avoid misunderstandings. I do respect other people's points of

view, even though I may or may not share these views. I hope that Tom

as moderator will not hesitate to step in to keep the discussion to an

intellectual level, rather than allowing individuals, including

myself, to indulge in personal criticism, to which most Aspies are

extremely sensitive. Thank-you for allowing me to join the group.

Best Wishes

Jo Greendragon

[Guest guest]

Hi, Jo Greendragon!

At 11:02 AM 10/4/04 -0000, jo_greendragon wrote:

> Reading back over some of the messages, I caught the discussion about

>Aspies being unable to lie in social situations. I think the problem

>was that he interpreted my theories as a lie, but as a person who

>spends a lot of time discussing religion and politics, these fields

>are largely opinion and belief, rather than true or false and are

>matters of interpretation.Someone (wish I knew who) once said that one

>man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, it all depends on

>your own perspective.

My professor this semester wrote an encyclopedia of terrorism and he said

that he always hears people complain about some of the entries. He says

some people say, " I can see why you put Sandanistas in there but why

Contras? " and others will say, " I can see why you put Contras in there but

why Sanadanistas? " His answer is that either group (or both) can be

considered terrorists and it just depends on which side one favors whether

they'll think one group is or isn't terrorist. So whoever said that about

terrorists and freedom fighters has company in that sort of thought.

(As for lying in social situations, my own theory is that we don't do this

automatically, but we are able to learn how to if it seems necessary for

survival in some way. I've always had a problem with the idea that Aspies

are physically/cognitively incapable of lying because I don't believe that

to be the case (though I do believe that, for the most part, we don't see

much point to lying.) If I lived in 1860 and were hiding a slave in my

basement as part of the Underground Railway to freedom, I'm sure I could

lie just fine. But when someone says, " do you like that perfume I gave

you? " I have a hard time remembering that I'm not supposed to tell the

whole truth.)

> I would like to post to this new group, If I may, without causing

>controversy, I am always happy to explain anything further if required

>to avoid misunderstandings. I do respect other people's points of

>view, even though I may or may not share these views. I hope that Tom

>as moderator will not hesitate to step in to keep the discussion to an

>intellectual level, rather than allowing individuals, including

>myself, to indulge in personal criticism, to which most Aspies are

>extremely sensitive.

I've been assured that this is a group where each individual is respected

and we try to work things through in a friendly and caring manner. So far,

I believe that to be true. I haven't been on this list very long yet, but

there is a strong sense of caring and respect here.

I'm curious to hear your theories. I may or may not be able to accept them

intellectually or even emotionally but I promise to be respectful and to

ask for more information instead of jumping to conclusions (this is

something I've been working on a lot lately as my partner says it's

somethign I do with him quite frequently. " Just ask me! " he says, " I'm

right here and I'll tell you if you ask. " )

I don't know how far back you read in posts, but I have had my own

conflicts and problems with others, even in some aspie communities, and I

have a strong interest in not repeating that. It takes two people to make a

full conflict (just one person is someone picking on someone else!) and I

promise to do my best to not be part of a conflict or a picking on. I know

what it's like to be hurt by other people's words and I don't want to do

that. So if it ever seems that I'm being hurtful, please tell me and help

me to understand what I'm doing and please ask me for more information. I

don't want to be hurtful but, like all Aspies, I sometimes blunder when I

don't fully understand or am not able to make myself understood.

I'm pleased to meet you!

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

Jo Greendragon,

I created this group originally to hold people after the closing of

the www.aspergia.com message board. However, I fashioned it after

the " feel " of the original Aspergia board. It seemed to me then

that we could all post our own respective opinions without arguing

with one another. It was a place I looked forward to going to and I

thought of everyone there as my friends. It was a shame, in my

opinion, that a few destructive elements infiltrated the board and

caused so many problems for so many people.

THIS board is based upon respect for other people's opinions (even

if we don't agree with them, we respect their right to have them),

mutual support, and freindship. There will be no abusive posts

allowed here.

Inger (otherwise known as Irilia from the original Aspergia board)

shares my view and perspective on this. One of our desires is to

create a safe place that is a haven from other boards where the

activity you spoke of is still evident and abundant.

I welcome you here, and it is nice to see you again!

Tom

>

> Hello to all members,

> I was on the Aspergia board at the very beginning but have not

posted

> there for a very long time.I posted under the name of greendragon,

now

> I am Jo_greendragon. I do not have a formal diagnosis,but my

partner

> Steve does and I have a granddaughter with diagnosed AS too.

>

> I got criticised severely for airing some pet theories of mine by

one

> particular member who deemed them to be unscientific.I got really

> upset about it so I stopped posting but carried on reading

messages. I

> do believe that there are many ways of looking at something and

that

> theories are meant to stimulate thought and discussion, and do not

> claim to be absolute or only truth. There is often no absolute

right

> or absolute wrong and I do believe in multiple truths,at its

simplest-

> is a plumber, is a father, is a lover of cats, all

> these could be equally true at the same time and no answer

is " better "

> than any other one. It is just looking at different aspects of the

> same picture, which can help to build up a more comprehensive

picture.

>

> Reading back over some of the messages, I caught the discussion

about

> Aspies being unable to lie in social situations. I think the

problem

> was that he interpreted my theories as a lie, but as a person who

> spends a lot of time discussing religion and politics, these fields

> are largely opinion and belief, rather than true or false and are

> matters of interpretation.Someone (wish I knew who) once said that

one

> man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, it all depends on

> your own perspective.

>

> I would like to post to this new group, If I may, without causing

> controversy, I am always happy to explain anything further if

required

> to avoid misunderstandings. I do respect other people's points of

> view, even though I may or may not share these views. I hope that

Tom

> as moderator will not hesitate to step in to keep the discussion

to an

> intellectual level, rather than allowing individuals, including

> myself, to indulge in personal criticism, to which most Aspies are

> extremely sensitive. Thank-you for allowing me to join the group.

> Best Wishes

> Jo Greendragon

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo Greendragon and

welcome.

I think we’d all

like to keep the discussions interesting and civil. I’d be happy to hear any of your

theories.

Wendi

New

member

Hello to all members,

I was on the Aspergia board at the very beginning

but have not posted

there for a very long time.I posted under the name

of greendragon, now

I am Jo_greendragon. I do not have a formal

diagnosis,but my partner

Steve does and I have a granddaughter with

diagnosed AS too.

I got criticised severely for airing some pet

theories of mine by one

particular member who deemed them to be

unscientific.I got really

upset about it so I stopped posting but carried on

reading messages. I

do believe that there are many ways of looking at

something and that

theories are meant to stimulate thought and

discussion, and do not

claim to be absolute or only truth. There is often

no absolute right

or absolute wrong and I do believe in multiple

truths,at its simplest-

is a plumber, is a father, is a

lover of cats, all

these could be equally true at the same time and

no answer is " better "

than any other one. It is just looking at

different aspects of the

same picture, which can help to build up a more

comprehensive picture.

Reading back over some of the messages, I caught

the discussion about

Aspies being unable to lie in social situations. I

think the problem

was that he interpreted my theories as a lie, but

as a person who

spends a lot of time discussing religion and

politics, these fields

are largely opinion and belief, rather than true

or false and are

matters of interpretation.Someone (wish I knew

who) once said that one

man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter,

it all depends on

your own perspective.

I would like to post to this new group, If I may,

without causing

controversy, I am always happy to explain anything

further if required

to avoid misunderstandings. I do respect other

people's points of

view, even though I may or may not share these

views. I hope that Tom

as moderator will not hesitate to step in to keep

the discussion to an

intellectual level, rather than allowing

individuals, including

myself, to indulge in personal criticism, to which

most Aspies are

extremely sensitive. Thank-you for allowing me to

join the group.

Best Wishes

Jo Greendragon

FAM Secret

Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance.

Everyone is valued. Always remember that.

[Guest guest]

My therapist is a vegan and she has studied it. She's trying to introduce me to a healthier way of life. I'm considering a cooking class that's going on over the next few weeks, just to see what most of this stuff is. I'm completely lost.

Leah GRRMF Volunteer

[Guest guest]

Sorry I haven't been around Reg. Life has been crazy. I also fell off the macro/vegan wagon. So what does that mean? The other day when it was -46 I had 2 cups of hot chocolate (Sugar, caffeine, ugh!). Then the other day I had a slice of pizza (home-made, yet I put cheese on it!!! Ughhh) I of course immediately felt ill after! So I drinking lots of water right now trying to get myself back on track.

Did you know POM is from concentrate?!

"...become the change you envision" Hinds ----Original Message Follows---- Reply-To: VeganMacrobiotics To: VeganMacrobiotics Subject: new member Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:25:23 -0000 We have another new member, Zoe she's on OK. I am really hoping that that some ppl come out of the woodworks and start chatting. Zoe, do tell us what you can or want........... Peace, Reggie

[Guest guest]

Hi Leah - welcome to the group. I'm from the UK and I've been

macrobiotic on and off for about 9 or 10 years now - it's a great

journey and I find it really good for stabalizing my moods - I go a bit

cranky if I drink coffee and eat junk food and lots of mini dramas

start happening in my life! - which take up lots of energy - being

macro keeps me calm and balanced.

The three main things that got me started was having cooking lessons,

secondly reading The Self Healing Cookbook by a - it's

very real and relatable, and takes into account you may not have much

time, is full of useful tips and will explain all about miso and all

the sea veggies, proteins etc before I read this book I felt a bit

overwhelmed by it all and the third was having a consultation. I'm

sure someone in the group from US can point you in the right direction

for your area.

My favorite book at the moment is The Hip Chick's Guide to Macrobiotics

by Porter which has a really good explanation of all the

principles of macrobiotics and it's funny too.

Warmest wishes

> My therapist is a vegan and she has studied it.  She's trying to

> introduce me to a healthier way of life.  I'm considering a cooking

> class that's going on over the next few weeks, just to see what most

> of this stuff is.  I'm completely lost.

>  

> Leah

> GRRMF Volunteer

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Chrissy,

I got your reply to Leah by mistake. I agree that the Hip Chick's Guide is an

excellent introduction to Macrobiotics - explains everything in a fun and

Westernized manner. I've used many of the recipes. I will admit I have tried

miso twice and hated it. I bought a milder miso but haven't gotten up the nerve

to soup it up.

What part of the UK are you in?

Zoe in Oklahoma

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

You'd think by now I'd have learned to read my emails in the order in which they

were received ... I thought the note from Chrissy was meant for another new

member ...

Anyway, as you know, I'm Zoe and I live in Oklahoma. I've been macro for about

3 weeks now. It's annoying the heck out of my Mother, who can't deal with the

fact that there are no restaurants where I can eat now (except maybe a Japanese

place, I haven't tried yet). I'm following the diet for yin conditions because

of asthma and migraines, so I'm avoiding raw veggies like salads.

I joined, in part, because there aren't any others like me in the area, but also

specifically hoping some of you could give me some pointers about travelling and

eating. My annual pilgrimage to Van Nuys is coming up in a month. I will be in

a hotel for almost a week, with no kitchen. There are no organic grocers listed

in the area, but I can have spring water and brown rice delivered from a nearby

Vons and there's a Sack'n'Save within shuttle distance. About the only cooking

I'll be able to do will be in a crock pot (I know - electric - but I don't have

any other choices at home either). Has anyone else kept macro under such

circumstances? Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks and it's nice to meet you all.

Zoe

[Guest guest]

Welcome! Your story gives me much

hope for mothers! Thank you!

In Christ,

, FCP

From: Walter &

Suzanne Chisum

Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005

11:57 PM

To: nfp

Subject: new

member

Pech Skokna

wrote:

Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005

09:43:21 -0600

From: Pech Skokna

To: nfpprofessionals Moderator

Subject: Re: File - pending membership

Dear Dr. Chisum and Dr. Stanford,

Thank you. I am Pech Skokna, BSN , graduate of Loyola

University Marcella Niehoff

School of

Nursing, 1983. Tony and I have

taught symptothermal natural family planning with The Couple to Couple

League since 1981. Mainly, I have been raising children for the past 21

years quite happily here in Brookfield,

IL. I was 5 months pregnant

with our first, our only boy, as I received my diploma and thought I

would " go to work " when he was about 6 months old. However, I enjoyed

being home with him and nursing (of another variety!) and so have been

home ever since, never looking back. 7 sisters have followed and so we

are quite busy here.

I presently work from home (AGoodWeb.com) creating websites and

programming. Although I do not have a desire at this time to work as a

nurse, I feel it is important to keep up my learning especially in our

field of NFP teaching. I have strong interests in Maternal-Child health

as well as Assistive Technology.

Tony is a Chicago

Public School history

teacher and baseball coach.

While he will benefit from what I learn from your list, I do not think

he would be participating being a busy father and breadwinner. :-)

God bless for all you do and thank you,

Skokna /

nfpprofessionals Moderator wrote:

>Thank you for your interest in being a member of the NFPPROFESSIONALS List.

Before

>we add you to the list, could you please send us a few sentences about your

professional

>background and interest in NFP.

>

>Once we have this information, and have determined that this list is

appropriate for your

>interests, we will add you. You will then receive a welcome message from

both

> and the NFPProfessionals.

>

>Our thanks,

>

>Suzanne Chisum, PhD

>phe Stanford, MD, MSPH

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome! You are being called to a prophetic role in Holland!

Hanna Klaus, M.D.

Natural Family Planning Center of Washington, D.C. and Teen STAR Program

8514 Bradmoor Drive

Bethesda, MD 20817-3810

Tel. , Fax

hannaklaus@...

http://www.teenstar.org

Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

RE: File - pending membershipDate: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:50:35 +0100Hello,I am a Dutch medical student, 24 years old and currently in my finalinternships. After receiving my MD in April of this year, I hope tofinish my thesis in Interventional Cardiology and get my PhD by the endof this year. The last year I have started to get enthusiastic about OB/GYN and inobstetrics/family planning in particular. The combination of being adevoted Christian and being a doctor in this field of medicine, however,seems to be nearly impossible. Living in a country like The Netherlandsdoes not make this any easier, as morals in this country are rapidlydecaying.For the future, I hope to be able to work in OB-GYN, both in a clinicalas in a research setting. How this should take form, I do not know yet.By joining this group, I hope to learn more about NFP, because I believethat NFP is the answer to a lot of problems our friends, families andmany others have. I believe that God can work in mysterious ways andthat He is able to get me in the place where He wants me to be in.Jasper Wijpkema

[Guest guest]

(Off -topic / personal)

Thank you,

I thank God every day that He had great timing for us. I held on the

same day in one hand our newborn son and in the other my RN licensure

(literally, the paper had just arrived in the mail). It was rather

symbolic of the choice for me at the time. I am a big believer in

sequencing and we knew that fertile years only last so long.

Professional work is overlapping with the fertile years a bit for me.

I'd like to see more done to encourage and support mothers who truly

desire to live their motherhood home with their children. Not everyone

is so lucky to be able to make it work out.

God bless,

:-) / Skokna

s wrote:

> Welcome! Your story gives me much hope for mothers! Thank you!

>

>

>

> In Christ,

>

>

>

> , FCP

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> *Dr. Chisum had so kindly posted my previous note -*

>

>

>

> Dear Dr. Chisum and Dr. Stanford,

>

> Thank you. I am Pech Skokna, BSN , graduate of Loyola

> University Marcella Niehoff School of Nursing, 1983..... Mainly, I

> have been raising children for the past 21

> years quite happily....

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah...Have a fantastic time!

= = = = = = =

>

> Ok, we have a new member. She's a pain in the ass but KNOWS

> SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much stuff. Been a friend for many years (when

> we're speaking, right?) anyway, hard core vegan, yoga instructor and

> sign language interpretor. This chick never sleeps!!!!!!!!!!!

> , wanna add anymore?????????????????

>

> Ok, dudes and dudettes, leaving in 2 days you play nice and please

> keep the chatter going while I'm away.

> don't be jealous, you ALL had the chance to come............

> Reggie

[Guest guest]

purpleveg wrote:

> Hey Amber,

> Really glad you found us.

> I find that if something pops up in our lives more than once

> it's " something " telling us to pay attention. So, here you are.

> What type of stuff are you having problems with? What's unclear?

> Rural China? There must be a story behind this....... I'm nosey.

> so do tell.

> Thanks, the cold has gotten worse but I understand. This past 3

> weeks I have been doing so much emotionally and physically that it

> was bound to happen. Now is the time I need to rest.

> Speaking of which...........

> Reggie

I probably need to do a more intensive shopping run on Zhengzhou, which

is the closest big city, before I complain, but I think I'm going to

have a hard time finding 1) brown rice as opposed to white rice; 2)

miso; 3) beans. There's no shortage of veggies, though, and I can get

some sea vegetables easily right in the village.

My husband and I moved to China because we wanted to get away from the

atmosphere in the US, and we wanted to go to Asia. We're both English

teachers. Japan was our first choice, but the teaching market for

foreign teachers is really saturated. Plus, not many schools wanted the

responsibility of a couple. We found a cool university in China that

offered jobs to both of us, so here we are.

One thing that's going to be hard for me: I know macrobiotics is more

of a guideline than a strict diet, but (and correct me if I'm wrong)

I've read that you should avoid tomatoes, potatoes, bell peppers, and

eggplant, and these are my favorite vegetables. I am going to have a

really hard time staying away from them.

Thanks,

Amber

[Guest guest]

Hey Amber,

Keep us posted if you are able to find the stuff. I know it will be

a pain but you can have the stuff shipped to you if needed or

anytime you go on a day/weekend trip out, bring an extra bag to buy

up the stuff. Are you able to get some other grains?

I have a friend who has been teaching in Japan for quite a few years

and she just loves it, I got her into mb and she flourished there

with it, found a great community, etc. She's off to teach in Europe

sometime soon. I haven't heard from her recently. I kept meaning

to invite her here as she'll have tons to offer but she's so busy

too.

I would imagine it would be more difficult to find a couple type of

gig there so it's a good thing you were able to find a place. It's

great to do when you have no responsibilities of a kid or

something. I was going to go with to Japan but I had my dog

who I would never have left behind. (, Thurs will be one year,

so sad............)

What age group are you teaching to? has a bunch of private

students and makes a killing doing that too.

I'm sure someone else has already replied about the nightshade

veggies but if not, write again and I'll do my best to explain.

Better if someone else does as there are some here who would do a

great job with lots more knowledge on it.

Peace,

Reggie

> I probably need to do a more intensive shopping run on Zhengzhou,

which

> is the closest big city, before I complain, but I think I'm going

to

> have a hard time finding 1) brown rice as opposed to white rice;

2)

> miso; 3) beans. There's no shortage of veggies, though, and I can

get

> some sea vegetables easily right in the village.

>

> My husband and I moved to China because we wanted to get away from

the

> atmosphere in the US, and we wanted to go to Asia. We're both

English

> teachers. Japan was our first choice, but the teaching market for

> foreign teachers is really saturated. Plus, not many schools

wanted the

> responsibility of a couple. We found a cool university in China

that

> offered jobs to both of us, so here we are.

>

> One thing that's going to be hard for me: I know macrobiotics is

more

> of a guideline than a strict diet, but (and correct me if I'm

wrong)

> I've read that you should avoid tomatoes, potatoes, bell peppers,

and

> eggplant, and these are my favorite vegetables. I am going to

have a

> really hard time staying away from them.

>

> Thanks,

> Amber

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Re: new member

I would be extremely interested in the answer to 's first question about the FAM. Does anyone know? I ask because I tried unsuccessfully to lobby for the removal of mention of barriers with NFP at our state abortion consent website. I maintained that this might be acceptable in the FAM but not NFP. I would still like to work on getting it removed, but I dont' want to misconstrue the stand of FAM either.

Thanks,

kristina johannes

F. Kippley wrote:

> Dear ,

> Since the mid-1970s, the Fertility Awareness Method has been > distinguished from Natural Family Planning by the FAM acceptance of > orgasmic sexual activities during the fertile time as a way to avoid > abstinence. There has been an assumption in the NFP movement that NFP > meant "chaste NFP" in which couples would abstain from all activity that > resulted in orgasm. > One leader in the FAM movement openly recommended oral-genital > copulation during the fertile time. Masturbation, whether mutual or > solitary, would be accepted by FAM, but those who teach NFP are called > to advise couples to avoid such unchaste behavior.

> There are two classes of questions concerning these matters.

> 1) Is the above description of the FAM still accurate? Also, is > there any organization or association that can speak for teachers of the > FAM? >

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Hello, my name is Knabe. I am a family physician in Rockford, Illinois, currently training with the PPVI Institute in Omaha.

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