Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 ~ I have used F4 /A2 inhibit 15-38 a lot (no reward) and its been quite successful. It certainly warrants it from your description. ~ puzzling frontal I've done a 2nd assessment after 25 EEG sessions on a 20yo who's main complaint now is "not being able to think". Other issues that we have resolved were sleep onset and quality, and anxiety. What puzzles me is that his frontals have gotten worse: amplitudes higher all over, worse high coherence in 12-38hz range. He had very little theta, and a whole lot of beta, even eyes closed for the first assessment, so we've done the following for the frontals: F4/A2: reward 6.5-10hz, inhibit 15-38hz, EC then F3///F4 Alpha/Beta Symmetry also some nir HEG and pirHEG, which he didn't notice an improvement from. The frontal 6-10hz has come up and the 10-12 come down, so that's an improvement. BUT the 15-19 is now the highest amplitude of the whole EC spectrum. The beta has come up 2u, and steps down Eo and task. Now his frontals look like this: L/R Delta 17/16% Theta 18.3/19.5% Alpha 20/20% LoBeta 10.8/10.8 Beta 21.9/21.5% HB 8.9/8.8% everything comes down EO and Task, with the exception of the delta, goes up with task, and we were real careful about eye blink, and I artifacted it too. So my real question is, how to deal with that 15-19hz, that also has coherence of 59% ? Since I've already tried inhibiting it on the right, and doing the alpha/beta symmetry to no effect, what's next? He doesn't seem to have 'enough' theta, so I don't want to squash that. 10-12hz at PZ is a whomping 26u, so I'll be working on that too. Glad I looked!! We have brought the 10-12 at P3 and P4 down 2u from 18 to 16u. PRoshi has been helping with that. Thanks for your help1 I will go back to some nirHEG...but I wonder if that will help the Beta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 While I can't figure out a response based on the data you gave, perhaps a different approach may work? I would ask the guy what is different about his "thinking", that he can no longer do. Is thinking for him "talking to himself" (left brain) or "pictures". What brain waves and sites are normally related to this change? And as to the tasks given during the TLC assessment, was he particularly bad at anything this time? What changed? Is the back still communicating with the frontal so they can both do their jobs? Did you check the optional frontal or rears for abnormal stuff? HTH. Good Luck! Have a great day! ~ A Do Something Useful puzzling frontal I've done a 2nd assessment after 25 EEG sessions on a 20yo who's main complaint now is "not being able to think". Other issues that we have resolved were sleep onset and quality, and anxiety. What puzzles me is that his frontals have gotten worse: amplitudes higher all over, worse high coherence in 12-38hz range. He had very little theta, and a whole lot of beta, even eyes closed for the first assessment, so we've done the following for the frontals: F4/A2: reward 6.5-10hz, inhibit 15-38hz, EC then F3///F4 Alpha/Beta Symmetry also some nir HEG and pirHEG, which he didn't notice an improvement from. The frontal 6-10hz has come up and the 10-12 come down, so that's an improvement. BUT the 15-19 is now the highest amplitude of the whole EC spectrum. The beta has come up 2u, and steps down Eo and task. Now his frontals look like this: L/R Delta 17/16% Theta 18.3/19.5% Alpha 20/20% LoBeta 10.8/10.8 Beta 21.9/21.5% HB 8.9/8.8% everything comes down EO and Task, with the exception of the delta, goes up with task, and we were real careful about eye blink, and I artifacted it too. So my real question is, how to deal with that 15-19hz, that also has coherence of 59% ? Since I've already tried inhibiting it on the right, and doing the alpha/beta symmetry to no effect, what's next? He doesn't seem to have 'enough' theta, so I don't want to squash that. 10-12hz at PZ is a whomping 26u, so I'll be working on that too. Glad I looked!! We have brought the 10-12 at P3 and P4 down 2u from 18 to 16u. PRoshi has been helping with that. Thanks for your help1 I will go back to some nirHEG...but I wonder if that will help the Beta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 , I am wondering if there has also been a change in his peak alpha? Carolyn Thurber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Carolyn & , Peak alpha frequency has dropped to 'normal' range in most sites since first assessment. He describes his problem, interestingly, as "thinking with the back of my head....I don't think well with the front of my head." Organized, sequential thinking is a problem, as is balancing multiple tasks. Had a terrible time with digit span both assessments, worse I think with 2nd assessment. Reading comprehension improved. very slow math, but got them right. Thanks for your responses. mary Re: puzzling frontal , I am wondering if there has also been a change in his peak alpha? Carolyn Thurber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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