Re: Re: Sad day for India

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Its a shame-and I feel so angry and frustrated it hurts.Terrorism is everywhere

yes-no one can stop a suicide bomber etc etc.But do we even try??The London

blasts happened -and a couple of weeks after that another series was foiled by

the security forces here.Constantly security is updated.Even then there are

failures and events happen.But atleast the govt has tried and then has the

sensitivity to try harder.

What do we do-we talk give long heavily punctuated statements on TV which seem

to be scripted for such events specially and then the next day everyone goes

back to work.Life goes on.We take pride in that-they wont destroy our

spirit....blah blah blah.There is no will power or even a desire to tackle any

of this -votebank politics are far more attractive and convenient.No one is

accountable.

My dad said to me yesterday was the 61st anniversary of him leaving the shores

of what is now Pakistan to set foot in Bombay.Bombay is where I was born and

bred like a lot of us in this group.I was making plans with my friends in Bombay

to go out to Leopold during my visit there next month.Looking at the Taj-I

remember going there with my cousin when I was 15-sitting in Shamiana the coffee

shop and ordering a Thums up for 7 rupees which we shared-that is all we could

afford-have been back umpteen times since but never was a visit so special as

that one.Atul and me both worked and met at Bombay Hospital-a lot of our free

time was spent at Leopold and Colaba.I feel let down - as if someone has come to

my home and destroyed it.

But we must be tolerant and we must appease-oh yes say that to the children of

the policemen who died yesterday.

I wait now only for this to happen again and again and again.May be we deserve

it.

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I don't think that we should blame anybody for appeasement. No one should

label terrorism as Muslim terrorism or Hindu terrorism. These guys are not

religious at all.

Probably in the heat of the moment, we might suggest, like Ravin did, that

we shoot these people in public. However, we are civilised and the law must

take its course. There is no doubt that by time this email is read most or

all the terrorist will be shot, but at what cost of innocent lives?

Looking for solutions? No easy ones are around. The main thing is not to

let the terrorists achieve their objective, which is spread of panic and

heightening of religious hatred. If we prevent that, then naturally the

terrorists will have failed!

Kishore Shah 1974

RE: Re: Sad day for India

>

> Its a shame-and I feel so angry and frustrated it hurts.Terrorism is

> everywhere yes-no one can stop a suicide bomber etc etc.But do we even

> try??The London blasts happened -and a couple of weeks after that another

> series was foiled by the security forces here.Constantly security is

> updated.Even then there are failures and events happen.But atleast the

> govt has tried and then has the sensitivity to try harder.

> What do we do-we talk give long heavily punctuated statements on TV which

> seem to be scripted for such events specially and then the next day

> everyone goes back to work.Life goes on.We take pride in that-they wont

> destroy our spirit....blah blah blah.There is no will power or even a

> desire to tackle any of this -votebank politics are far more attractive

> and convenient.No one is accountable.

> My dad said to me yesterday was the 61st anniversary of him leaving the

> shores of what is now Pakistan to set foot in Bombay.Bombay is where I

> was born and bred like a lot of us in this group.I was making plans with

> my friends in Bombay to go out to Leopold during my visit there next

> month.Looking at the Taj-I remember going there with my cousin when I was

> 15-sitting in Shamiana the coffee shop and ordering a Thums up for 7

> rupees which we shared-that is all we could afford-have been back umpteen

> times since but never was a visit so special as that one.Atul and me both

> worked and met at Bombay Hospital-a lot of our free time was spent at

> Leopold and Colaba.I feel let down - as if someone has come to my home and

> destroyed it.

> But we must be tolerant and we must appease-oh yes say that to the

> children of the policemen who died yesterday.

> I wait now only for this to happen again and again and again.May be we

> deserve it.

> 82

>

[Guest guest]

All along, I was trying to grapple for the exact words that describe

my sentiments while I was watching the horrific events in Mumbai

unfold, and I think madam has summed it perfectly where she

said " I feel let down - as if someone has come to my home and

destroyed it. " I was watching the various reactions and I think that

the only people who have let us down in all this are the

politicians... I know that to talk about politics is not the the time

or place on this forum, but here are my two cents :

OK... so, Asif Ali Zardari calls up Gandhi and tells her " to

convey his condolences and those of the people of Pakistan to the

members of the victims' families " ..... and when I read this, I didnt

know whether to laugh or cry... so he expects that ji when she is

making her customary rounds in the various hospitals and staged

meetings with families of victims, where she expresses her pre-staged

" the whole country is with your in this time of crisis " ... bhashan, is

she also expecte to say that " oh by the way, the president and people

of Pakistan have expressed their condolences too..... " ... is this some

kind of a joke... do they think that people dont get to read the kind

of statements that they make or do they think that people are total

morons?

On NDTV, I was watching an interview with Shobha De and even though I

am not a big fan or her writing, I agree with her on one point she

mentioned during the interview.... she said to the politicians " keep

away from my city " . I agree with her..... we have seen LK Advani,

Manmohan Singh visiting Mumbai now... whats the need? Just to show

their " solidarity " and give media bytes as to how they condemn this

horrific thing? ... well, they can pretty much do that sitting in

their cozy offices in New Delhi.....during their " visit " , they have

the " Z " security, and also the visit alters the dynamics of the entire

situation area.... wherein the focus shifts from the actual rescue

work to giving security to these visiting VIP's.... all the police

that are used for the security for these " netas " can pretty much be

used elsewhere in Mumbai to provide security to all the Mumbaikars

who always have to bear the brunt of these strikes. The media is

making such a hullaboo about " LK Advani and PM are visiting Mumbai

together.. it's a show of solidarity by politicians " .... all I have to

say to them is, that in a situation of this magnitude, which is a

national calamity, all the politicians pretty darn well come together

and show solidarity instead of attacking each other. I think all they

need to understand is that right now, security of Mumbai is much more

important than their own personal agenda to gain political

mileage....... let the police and the army do their job without

worrying about diverting their attention to catering to you...! At

this moment, I dont care what Vilasrao or R.R. Patil think ..... its

their job to be there and monitor the situation... by the way, even

during his press meet, Vilasrao mentioned something about " ji " ...

and I was like " are you kidding...? "

I think the real heroes of the situation are the heroic Mumbai police,

firefighters, army and navy commandos , all the staff working at the

hotels, medical personnel working round the clock in hospitals to save

lives of people, the BEST and ambuland crivers whic are evacuating all

the victims and the good samaritan on the street providing help to

unknown strangers in this time of crisis..... so, politicians... stay

away........ think more about how you can pass laws to improve

security of civilians in all major cities, think about how you can

upgrade our fire fighting equipment, so that our brave firefighting

jawans can control the blaze with water cannons that can actually

maintain their water pressure wearing equipment that can save their

lives with trucks and ladders that can control the blaze in the most

adverse of cases, think about how you can give better equipment and

training to Mumbai police and RPF constables who are usually the first

respondents in such terror attacks, think about what measures you can

take so that average citizens can feel free and safe to roam into

malls, dine at a restaurant, stay in a hotel or just catch the

returning train to go home.....!!

Ameet 1993

> I don't think that we should blame anybody for appeasement. No one

> should

> label terrorism as Muslim terrorism or Hindu terrorism. These guys

> are not

> religious at all.

>

> Probably in the heat of the moment, we might suggest, like Ravin

> did, that

> we shoot these people in public. However, we are civilised and the

> law must

> take its course. There is no doubt that by time this email is read

> most or

> all the terrorist will be shot, but at what cost of innocent lives?

>

> Looking for solutions? No easy ones are around. The main thing is

> not to

> let the terrorists achieve their objective, which is spread of panic

> and

> heightening of religious hatred. If we prevent that, then naturally

> the

> terrorists will have failed!

>

> Kishore Shah 1974

>

> RE: Re: Sad day for India

>

> >

> > Its a shame-and I feel so angry and frustrated it hurts.Terrorism is

> > everywhere yes-no one can stop a suicide bomber etc etc.But do we

> even

> > try??The London blasts happened -and a couple of weeks after that

> another

> > series was foiled by the security forces here.Constantly security is

> > updated.Even then there are failures and events happen.But atleast

> the

> > govt has tried and then has the sensitivity to try harder.

> > What do we do-we talk give long heavily punctuated statements on

> TV which

> > seem to be scripted for such events specially and then the next day

> > everyone goes back to work.Life goes on.We take pride in that-they

> wont

> > destroy our spirit....blah blah blah.There is no will power or

> even a

> > desire to tackle any of this -votebank politics are far more

> attractive

> > and convenient.No one is accountable.

> > My dad said to me yesterday was the 61st anniversary of him

> leaving the

> > shores of what is now Pakistan to set foot in Bombay.Bombay is

> where I

> > was born and bred like a lot of us in this group.I was making

> plans with

> > my friends in Bombay to go out to Leopold during my visit there next

> > month.Looking at the Taj-I remember going there with my cousin

> when I was

> > 15-sitting in Shamiana the coffee shop and ordering a Thums up for 7

> > rupees which we shared-that is all we could afford-have been back

> umpteen

> > times since but never was a visit so special as that one.Atul and

> me both

> > worked and met at Bombay Hospital-a lot of our free time was spent

> at

> > Leopold and Colaba.I feel let down - as if someone has come to my

> home and

> > destroyed it.

> > But we must be tolerant and we must appease-oh yes say that to the

> > children of the policemen who died yesterday.

> > I wait now only for this to happen again and again and again.May

> be we

> > deserve it.

> > 82

> >

>

>

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