Re: favorite cold remedies? No Echinacea? WHAT??!!!

January 5, 2008

Hashimoto's people have VERY active immune systems. In fact, waaayyyy too

active for their own good. Echinacea mobilizes these little monsters into

action. Trouble is, OUR immune systems have become VERY mistaken as to what

to " aim for " . For those who are allergic to ragweed, also, echinacea is in

the ragweed family. I took it for around a wk or two about 10 yrs ago and

developed allergic conjunctivitis for over a week and more, eyes blistered,

etc.....before I figured out that the echinacea was the latest thing I'd

introduced to my body. I stopped it, and in around 3 to 5 days, the

conjunctivitis was gone. I reintroduced it about 2 wks later, and I've

never been surer of anything in my life. Allergy to it. It was around 2

yrs later that I read over and over in various articles it's relationship to

the ragweed family. Ragweed is something that I've known for quite some

time I was allergic to, but I always assumed it was just the pollens going

up my nose, mucous membranes, etc........not so, it is by ingestion also, in

my case.

Re: favorite cold remedies? No Echinacea? WHAT??!!!

> Good lord girlfriend where in the world did you get that information?

> I have taken echinacea all my life when I felt something coming on.

> This is like when I had my first child and he had to stay in the

> hospital because of jaundice..they told me NOT to breastfeed him, that

> it was bad for him due to the liver etc. Come to find out later it was

> the BEST thing I could have done for him. STUPID DOCTORS!

>

> Anyway you have to begin building up the immune system dear.

>

> What you are doing with the lemon and any over the counter medicine is

> treating SYMPTOMS NOT getting the root cause of the problem.

>

> Want to talk further just say so and I can help.

> ~Amy~

January 5, 2008

everyone's body is different, even if we are all dealing with a

common thyroid disorder...of even those of us with hashi's. I'm

taking Echinacea now and don't think it has have any adverse effects.

And if we are supposed to steer clear of it, how else are those of us

with Hashi's to help out our belabored immune systems?? Esp those of

us too exhausted to exercise regularly?? Vitamin C and Zinc are great

but then the absorption issue enters inthe equation when your thyroid

functioning is hampered.

Our immune systems are functioning in that they are DYSfunctionally

attacking our own thyroid gland. From what I understand this taxes

your immune system not strengthens it. Hence you DO need something.

Also those with thyroid abnormalities can also be more prone to

contracting infections, studies have shown this; so I would say that

this proves that our immune systems aren't functioning optimally.

>

> Hashimoto's people have VERY active immune systems. In fact,

waaayyyy too

> active for their own good. Echinacea mobilizes these little

monsters into

> action. Trouble is, OUR immune systems have become VERY mistaken

as to what

> to " aim for " . For those who are allergic to ragweed, also,

echinacea is in

> the ragweed family. I took it for around a wk or two about 10 yrs

ago and

> developed allergic conjunctivitis for over a week and more, eyes

blistered,

> etc.....before I figured out that the echinacea was the latest

thing I'd

> introduced to my body. I stopped it, and in around 3 to 5 days,

the

> conjunctivitis was gone. I reintroduced it about 2 wks later, and

I've

> never been surer of anything in my life. Allergy to it. It was

around 2

> yrs later that I read over and over in various articles it's

relationship to

> the ragweed family. Ragweed is something that I've known for quite

some

> time I was allergic to, but I always assumed it was just the

pollens going

> up my nose, mucous membranes, etc........not so, it is by ingestion

also, in

> my case.

>

> Re: favorite cold remedies? No Echinacea?

WHAT??!!!

>

> > Good lord girlfriend where in the world did you get that

information?

> > I have taken echinacea all my life when I felt something coming

on.

> > This is like when I had my first child and he had to stay in the

> > hospital because of jaundice..they told me NOT to breastfeed him,

that

> > it was bad for him due to the liver etc. Come to find out later

it was

> > the BEST thing I could have done for him. STUPID DOCTORS!

> >

> > Anyway you have to begin building up the immune system dear.

> >

> > What you are doing with the lemon and any over the counter

medicine is

> > treating SYMPTOMS NOT getting the root cause of the problem.

> >

> > Want to talk further just say so and I can help.

> > ~Amy~

>

January 5, 2008

I have hashi’s and take Echinacea and

have had no problems. I don’t know what you take but I take the tincture

so maybe it’s more diluted who knows. Or maybe it’s the everybody’s

body is different.

I do up the vitamin C and I’ve never

done zinc. I probably should though.

Does elderberry do the same things??

hugs

Micki

Health Eating and Living Together http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/he2gether_/

My brother's online store check it out http://mcgregorgifts.ecrater.com/

From: Thyroiditis [mailto:Thyroiditis ] On Behalf Of donnagiovane1

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008

8:01 PM

To: Thyroiditis

Subject: Re:

favorite cold remedies? No Echinacea? WHAT??!!!

everyone's body is different, even if we are all

dealing with a

common thyroid disorder...of even those of us with hashi's. I'm

taking Echinacea now and don't think it has have any adverse effects.

And if we are supposed to steer clear of it, how else are those of us

with Hashi's to help out our belabored immune systems?? Esp those of

us too exhausted to exercise regularly?? Vitamin C and Zinc are great

but then the absorption issue enters inthe equation when your thyroid

functioning is hampered.

Our immune systems are functioning in that they are DYSfunctionally

attacking our own thyroid gland. From what I understand this taxes

your immune system not strengthens it. Hence you DO need something.

Also those with thyroid abnormalities can also be more prone to

contracting infections, studies have shown this; so I would say that

this proves that our immune systems aren't functioning optimally.

>

> Hashimoto's people have VERY active immune systems. In fact,

waaayyyy too

> active for their own good. Echinacea mobilizes these little

monsters into

> action. Trouble is, OUR immune systems have become VERY mistaken

as to what

> to " aim for " . For those who are allergic to ragweed, also,

echinacea is in

> the ragweed family. I took it for around a wk or two about 10 yrs

ago and

> developed allergic conjunctivitis for over a week and more, eyes

blistered,

> etc.....before I figured out that the echinacea was the latest

thing I'd

> introduced to my body. I stopped it, and in around 3 to 5 days,

the

> conjunctivitis was gone. I reintroduced it about 2 wks later, and

I've

> never been surer of anything in my life. Allergy to it. It was

around 2

> yrs later that I read over and over in various articles it's

relationship to

> the ragweed family. Ragweed is something that I've known for quite

some

> time I was allergic to, but I always assumed it was just the

pollens going

> up my nose, mucous membranes, etc........not so, it is by ingestion

also, in

> my case.

>

> Re: favorite cold remedies? No Echinacea?

WHAT??!!!

>

> > Good lord girlfriend where in the world did you get that

information?

> > I have taken echinacea all my life when I felt something coming

on.

> > This is like when I had my first child and he had to stay in the

> > hospital because of jaundice..they told me NOT to breastfeed him,

that

> > it was bad for him due to the liver etc. Come to find out later

it was

> > the BEST thing I could have done for him. STUPID DOCTORS!

> >

> > Anyway you have to begin building up the immune system dear.

> >

> > What you are doing with the lemon and any over the counter

medicine is

> > treating SYMPTOMS NOT getting the root cause of the problem.

> >

> > Want to talk further just say so and I can help.

> > ~Amy~

>

January 5, 2008

I’ve read the Echinacea to not to

use with autoimmune disease. My naturopath doesn’t really believe that

and I’ve had not problems using it the last two years and actually it’s

helped. This last illness I only took it once and I never got any sicker. But

I was also using vitamin C and some other things that I think boost the immune

system.

I don’t believe half the things dtrs

tell me, there not trained in natural medicine so they figure if it can boost

the immune system it’s probably not good.

hugs

Micki

Health Eating and Living Together http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/he2gether_/

My brother's online store check it out http://mcgregorgifts.ecrater.com/

From: Thyroiditis [mailto:Thyroiditis ] On Behalf Of Amelia

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008

10:58 AM

To: Thyroiditis

Subject: Re:

favorite cold remedies? No Echinacea? WHAT??!!!

Good lord girlfriend where in the world did you get

that information?

I have taken echinacea all my life when I felt something coming on.

This is like when I had my first child and he had to stay in the

hospital because of jaundice..they told me NOT to breastfeed him, that

it was bad for him due to the liver etc. Come to find out later it was

the BEST thing I could have done for him. STUPID DOCTORS!

Anyway you have to begin building up the immune system dear.

What you are doing with the lemon and any over the counter medicine is

treating SYMPTOMS NOT getting the root cause of the problem.

Want to talk further just say so and I can help.

~Amy~

>

January 6, 2008

Shomon says immune system boosters are not always bad. Here is

an excerpt from an article she wrote on thymic protein, but she also

address echinacea.

But as with everything else, some people with hashi's might not have

problems with immune boosters and some may. Everything is so

individual that there is no one right answer for everyone.

*************

THINGS THAT WORK: THYMIC PROTEIN

by Shomon

One supplement that you may not know about that can of help for your

immune system is thymic protein.

The thymus is a gland located under your breastbone. In a newborn, it

is similar in size to the heart, continues growing until age 2 or 3,

then stays the same size until puberty, at which point it begins to

shrink. By 40, the thymus is reduced to about one-sixth its original

size, and the elderly have almost no thymic function.

But the thymus is a critical part of the immune system. It is in our

thymus gland there cancer- and infection-fighting T-cells mature. So a

shrinking thymus leaves less space for maturation of T-cells, and

reduces our immunity and ability to fight off infection.

Some preliminary research has found that supplementation with zinc can

help to restore thymic function. In addition, another supplement that

can help is thymic function is thymic protein.

To prepare thymic protein, thymus cells from cows are grown in a

laboratory, and then purified. (Since it's made of purified cells, and

not a whole animal, there's no risk of mad cow disease.) Clinical

research is already underway, but anecdotal reports from patients and

practitioners point to many positive results. Overall, thymic protein

is claimed to:

* strengthen the ability to fight infection

* fight active infections, such as colds, herpes, shingles, flu,

sinusitis

* help treat chronic viral infections

* decrease viral loads of viruses such as Epstein-Barr virus and

others

* increase white blood cell count

* increase t-cell levels

* increase white cell count

* improveme symptoms in chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia

* help calm immune response in some autoimmune diseases

In a small clinical trial of patients with Epstein-Barr virus,

participants took 4 mcg of thymic protein, three times daily, for 60

days. After treatment, the Epstein-Barr virus levels were reduced in

two-thirds of patients, and in one case, the levels dropped by 75%.

Meanwhile, all of the patients reported reduced feeling generally

better, with most reporting greater energy and needed less sleep.

Dr. Teitelbaum recommends thymic protein for people who have

chronic viral syndromes, chronic fatigue syndrome that appears to be

viral in origin, or anyone who is exposed to or fighting off a virus.

Dr. Teitelbaum also swears by it for himself and his own family.

Noted natural medicine expert n Whitaker, M.D., Director of the

Whitaker Wellness Institute in Newport Beach, California, has said

that thymic protein is " likely the most powerful stimulant of the

immune system ever discovered. "

Based on Dr. Teitelbaum's recommendation, I've started using thymic

protein, and have to report that I have had fantastic results with

this product. With a preschool child who frequently comes home with

various colds and viruses, I am frequently exposed to viruses. When I

feel like I'm coming down with a something, I take 2 to 3 packets of

thymic protein a day (it's a nearly tasteless powder that you put

under your tongue so it can be absorbed sublingually), and I have been

able to ward off several colds in progress. I've also given it to my

preschooler, and it prevented her colds from developing into

full-scale illnesses with resulting ear infections.

Sometimes people wonder if taking something that stimulates the immune

system would in fact be bad for someone with an autoimmune disease.

Actually, many practitioners do not believe that immune-stimulating

supplements such as thymic protein (or echinacea, one that people

frequently ask about) are over-stimulating to people with autoimmune

conditions. Rather, since autoimmune disease is known to be a

dysregulation of the immune system – it is NOT an overactive immune

system, as is sometimes erroneously thought. So something that helps

the immune system function properly can actually help people with

autoimmune diseases, rather than overstimulate.

>

> I have hashi's and take Echinacea and have had no problems. I don't

know

> what you take but I take the tincture so maybe it's more diluted who

knows.

> Or maybe it's the everybody's body is different.

>

> I do up the vitamin C and I've never done zinc. I probably should

though.

>

> Does elderberry do the same things??

>

> hugs

>

> Micki

>

January 6, 2008

The Thymus is where ALL things from the immune system do their original

blueprint, and when this little gland is longer as viable as before, the

little immune proteins are " warped " , yes. What is the mystery is why it

gets warped starting there. I have thought about ordering the thymus stuff

from IAS on the internet, but just haven't gotten around to it.