Re: No Echinacea? WHAT??!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Blair,

How's the Armour working for you?

Echinacea is a herb that is only to be used for a very short time -

not over six weeks. I don't know the exact reason it is " bad " for AI

patients. I do know that I don't use it for two reasons.

1) It increases production of Killer T cells and my anti-thyroid

antibodies don't need to increase, period...

2) The white cell count will go down significantly in non-AI people,

so why would I want to take anything that would decrease my white

cells...

There are a number of AI supportive supplements that work. Have you

ever tried Moducare? It works wonderfully if you take it

consistently.

As for colds, I haven't had one since getting rid of gluten in my

diet. I always give Zicam to my kids and the cold goes away or only

lasts a few days. We have no other cold meds in our house.

Bj

> >

> > Hashimoto's people have VERY active immune systems. In fact,

> waaayyyy too

> > active for their own good. Echinacea mobilizes these little

> monsters into

> > action. Trouble is, OUR immune systems have become VERY mistaken

> as to what

> > to " aim for " . For those who are allergic to ragweed, also,

> echinacea is in

> > the ragweed family. I took it for around a wk or two about 10

yrs

> ago and

> > developed allergic conjunctivitis for over a week and more, eyes

> blistered,

> > etc.....before I figured out that the echinacea was the latest

> thing I'd

> > introduced to my body. I stopped it, and in around 3 to 5 days,

> the

> > conjunctivitis was gone. I reintroduced it about 2 wks later,

and

> I've

> > never been surer of anything in my life. Allergy to it. It was

> around 2

> > yrs later that I read over and over in various articles it's

> relationship to

> > the ragweed family. Ragweed is something that I've known for

quite

> some

> > time I was allergic to, but I always assumed it was just the

> pollens going

> > up my nose, mucous membranes, etc........not so, it is by

ingestion

> also, in

> > my case.

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: favorite cold remedies? No Echinacea?

> WHAT??!!!

> >

> >

> > > Good lord girlfriend where in the world did you get that

> information?

> > > I have taken echinacea all my life when I felt something coming

> on.

> > > This is like when I had my first child and he had to stay in the

> > > hospital because of jaundice..they told me NOT to breastfeed

him,

> that

> > > it was bad for him due to the liver etc. Come to find out

later

> it was

> > > the BEST thing I could have done for him. STUPID DOCTORS!

> > >

> > > Anyway you have to begin building up the immune system dear.

> > >

> > > What you are doing with the lemon and any over the counter

> medicine is

> > > treating SYMPTOMS NOT getting the root cause of the problem.

> > >

> > > Want to talk further just say so and I can help.

> > > ~Amy~

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I agree that echinacea should not be used on a regular basis. When I

use it, it only use it when I feel like I'm coming down with something

and maybe take it for 2 weeks max.

> > >

> > > Hashimoto's people have VERY active immune systems. In fact,

> > waaayyyy too

> > > active for their own good. Echinacea mobilizes these little

> > monsters into

> > > action. Trouble is, OUR immune systems have become VERY mistaken

> > as to what

> > > to " aim for " . For those who are allergic to ragweed, also,

> > echinacea is in

> > > the ragweed family. I took it for around a wk or two about 10

> yrs

> > ago and

> > > developed allergic conjunctivitis for over a week and more, eyes

> > blistered,

> > > etc.....before I figured out that the echinacea was the latest

> > thing I'd

> > > introduced to my body. I stopped it, and in around 3 to 5 days,

> > the

> > > conjunctivitis was gone. I reintroduced it about 2 wks later,

> and

> > I've

> > > never been surer of anything in my life. Allergy to it. It was

> > around 2

> > > yrs later that I read over and over in various articles it's

> > relationship to

> > > the ragweed family. Ragweed is something that I've known for

> quite

> > some

> > > time I was allergic to, but I always assumed it was just the

> > pollens going

> > > up my nose, mucous membranes, etc........not so, it is by

> ingestion

> > also, in

> > > my case.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Re: favorite cold remedies? No Echinacea?

> > WHAT??!!!

> > >

> > >

> > > > Good lord girlfriend where in the world did you get that

> > information?

> > > > I have taken echinacea all my life when I felt something coming

> > on.

> > > > This is like when I had my first child and he had to stay in the

> > > > hospital because of jaundice..they told me NOT to breastfeed

> him,

> > that

> > > > it was bad for him due to the liver etc. Come to find out

> later

> > it was

> > > > the BEST thing I could have done for him. STUPID DOCTORS!

> > > >

> > > > Anyway you have to begin building up the immune system dear.

> > > >

> > > > What you are doing with the lemon and any over the counter

> > medicine is

> > > > treating SYMPTOMS NOT getting the root cause of the problem.

> > > >

> > > > Want to talk further just say so and I can help.

> > > > ~Amy~

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

bj,

I have been considering the Moducare. Do you find it helps with the

hashi's at all? Supposedly it's supposed to normalize either over- or

under-active immune systems, so I wondered if it would lower antibodies.

Do you take this on a regular basis?

> > >

> > > Hashimoto's people have VERY active immune systems. In fact,

> > waaayyyy too

> > > active for their own good. Echinacea mobilizes these little

> > monsters into

> > > action. Trouble is, OUR immune systems have become VERY mistaken

> > as to what

> > > to " aim for " . For those who are allergic to ragweed, also,

> > echinacea is in

> > > the ragweed family. I took it for around a wk or two about 10

> yrs

> > ago and

> > > developed allergic conjunctivitis for over a week and more, eyes

> > blistered,

> > > etc.....before I figured out that the echinacea was the latest

> > thing I'd

> > > introduced to my body. I stopped it, and in around 3 to 5 days,

> > the

> > > conjunctivitis was gone. I reintroduced it about 2 wks later,

> and

> > I've

> > > never been surer of anything in my life. Allergy to it. It was

> > around 2

> > > yrs later that I read over and over in various articles it's

> > relationship to

> > > the ragweed family. Ragweed is something that I've known for

> quite

> > some

> > > time I was allergic to, but I always assumed it was just the

> > pollens going

> > > up my nose, mucous membranes, etc........not so, it is by

> ingestion

> > also, in

> > > my case.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Re: favorite cold remedies? No Echinacea?

> > WHAT??!!!

> > >

> > >

> > > > Good lord girlfriend where in the world did you get that

> > information?

> > > > I have taken echinacea all my life when I felt something coming

> > on.

> > > > This is like when I had my first child and he had to stay in the

> > > > hospital because of jaundice..they told me NOT to breastfeed

> him,

> > that

> > > > it was bad for him due to the liver etc. Come to find out

> later

> > it was

> > > > the BEST thing I could have done for him. STUPID DOCTORS!

> > > >

> > > > Anyway you have to begin building up the immune system dear.

> > > >

> > > > What you are doing with the lemon and any over the counter

> > medicine is

> > > > treating SYMPTOMS NOT getting the root cause of the problem.

> > > >

> > > > Want to talk further just say so and I can help.

> > > > ~Amy~

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

BJ,

I've been on 30mg of Armour for a little over a month and find that

my stamina and endurance are slowly returning where before under

Levoxyl (50mcg) consistent workouts became impossible. I've been

having some muscular abdominal aches and pains, and yet again, in my

lower back but assume that's part of the transitioning onto the more

potent T3 form of treatment. I'm also a bit more fatigued but from

the results ofmy saliva tests this is most probably due to my not

supporting my adrenals and gonad hormones to provide a workable

balance betw all three glandular systems. So in essence, I'm a work

in progress like everyone else here. =)

This does interest me however, if you've found evidence to support

that those of us with Hashi's suffer adverse long-term effects when

taking Echinacea to bolster/support our immune systems(?). Moducare

you say? I'll definitely be looking into it. Thanks!!

-Blair

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hashimoto's people have VERY active immune systems. In fact,

> > > waaayyyy too

> > > > active for their own good. Echinacea mobilizes these little

> > > monsters into

> > > > action. Trouble is, OUR immune systems have become VERY

mistaken

> > > as to what

> > > > to " aim for " . For those who are allergic to ragweed, also,

> > > echinacea is in

> > > > the ragweed family. I took it for around a wk or two about

10

> > yrs

> > > ago and

> > > > developed allergic conjunctivitis for over a week and more,

eyes

> > > blistered,

> > > > etc.....before I figured out that the echinacea was the

latest

> > > thing I'd

> > > > introduced to my body. I stopped it, and in around 3 to 5

days,

> > > the

> > > > conjunctivitis was gone. I reintroduced it about 2 wks

later,

> > and

> > > I've

> > > > never been surer of anything in my life. Allergy to it. It

was

> > > around 2

> > > > yrs later that I read over and over in various articles it's

> > > relationship to

> > > > the ragweed family. Ragweed is something that I've known for

> > quite

> > > some

> > > > time I was allergic to, but I always assumed it was just the

> > > pollens going

> > > > up my nose, mucous membranes, etc........not so, it is by

> > ingestion

> > > also, in

> > > > my case.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Re: favorite cold remedies? No

Echinacea?

> > > WHAT??!!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Good lord girlfriend where in the world did you get that

> > > information?

> > > > > I have taken echinacea all my life when I felt something

coming

> > > on.

> > > > > This is like when I had my first child and he had to stay

in the

> > > > > hospital because of jaundice..they told me NOT to

breastfeed

> > him,

> > > that

> > > > > it was bad for him due to the liver etc. Come to find out

> > later

> > > it was

> > > > > the BEST thing I could have done for him. STUPID DOCTORS!

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway you have to begin building up the immune system dear.

> > > > >

> > > > > What you are doing with the lemon and any over the counter

> > > medicine is

> > > > > treating SYMPTOMS NOT getting the root cause of the problem.

> > > > >

> > > > > Want to talk further just say so and I can help.

> > > > > ~Amy~

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Blair,

I want to quickly respond. I did a quick search and found this

interesting article - by no means a complete scientific study - after

reading many and a few similar writings that was enough for me to not

use Echinacea to booster and support my immune system.

http://www.jabfm.org/cgi/reprint/15/5/417.pdf

I used Moducare from 2001 to 2006. I think it helped keep me to be

able to verily function until I found my gluten problems. After I

stopped eating gluten I didn't feel I needed it, so have not taken it

since 8/06. I haven't had a cold either so that tells me I was

right. I do still have days when I feel sluggish or my joints ache

really badly though. And can tell when I mistakenly have eaten

gluten as I get terrible achey joints, swelling, and stomach cramps

etc. But, for the most part I am so much better than I was from 2000-

2006. I still support my adrenals and I am also working on

optimizing my yonky female hormones.

HTH,

Bj

> > > > >

> > > > > Hashimoto's people have VERY active immune systems. In

fact,

> > > > waaayyyy too

> > > > > active for their own good. Echinacea mobilizes these

little

> > > > monsters into

> > > > > action. Trouble is, OUR immune systems have become VERY

> mistaken

> > > > as to what

> > > > > to " aim for " . For those who are allergic to ragweed, also,

> > > > echinacea is in

> > > > > the ragweed family. I took it for around a wk or two about

> 10

> > > yrs

> > > > ago and

> > > > > developed allergic conjunctivitis for over a week and more,

> eyes

> > > > blistered,

> > > > > etc.....before I figured out that the echinacea was the

> latest

> > > > thing I'd

> > > > > introduced to my body. I stopped it, and in around 3 to 5

> days,

> > > > the

> > > > > conjunctivitis was gone. I reintroduced it about 2 wks

> later,

> > > and

> > > > I've

> > > > > never been surer of anything in my life. Allergy to it.

It

> was

> > > > around 2

> > > > > yrs later that I read over and over in various articles

it's

> > > > relationship to

> > > > > the ragweed family. Ragweed is something that I've known

for

> > > quite

> > > > some

> > > > > time I was allergic to, but I always assumed it was just

the

> > > > pollens going

> > > > > up my nose, mucous membranes, etc........not so, it is by

> > > ingestion

> > > > also, in

> > > > > my case.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: favorite cold remedies? No

> Echinacea?

> > > > WHAT??!!!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Good lord girlfriend where in the world did you get that

> > > > information?

> > > > > > I have taken echinacea all my life when I felt something

> coming

> > > > on.

> > > > > > This is like when I had my first child and he had to stay

> in the

> > > > > > hospital because of jaundice..they told me NOT to

> breastfeed

> > > him,

> > > > that

> > > > > > it was bad for him due to the liver etc. Come to find

out

> > > later

> > > > it was

> > > > > > the BEST thing I could have done for him. STUPID DOCTORS!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway you have to begin building up the immune system

dear.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What you are doing with the lemon and any over the

counter

> > > > medicine is

> > > > > > treating SYMPTOMS NOT getting the root cause of the

problem.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Want to talk further just say so and I can help.

> > > > > > ~Amy~

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

I used it and was able to somewhat function from six years. But my

root problem was/is gluten. I don't use it any more, but I do give

it to my Graves/Hashi daughter and it really seems to make a

difference for her along with Omega3.

HTH,

Bj

> > > >

> > > > Hashimoto's people have VERY active immune systems. In fact,

> > > waaayyyy too

> > > > active for their own good. Echinacea mobilizes these little

> > > monsters into

> > > > action. Trouble is, OUR immune systems have become VERY

mistaken

> > > as to what

> > > > to " aim for " . For those who are allergic to ragweed, also,

> > > echinacea is in

> > > > the ragweed family. I took it for around a wk or two about

10

> > yrs

> > > ago and

> > > > developed allergic conjunctivitis for over a week and more,

eyes

> > > blistered,

> > > > etc.....before I figured out that the echinacea was the

latest

> > > thing I'd

> > > > introduced to my body. I stopped it, and in around 3 to 5

days,

> > > the

> > > > conjunctivitis was gone. I reintroduced it about 2 wks

later,

> > and

> > > I've

> > > > never been surer of anything in my life. Allergy to it. It

was

> > > around 2

> > > > yrs later that I read over and over in various articles it's

> > > relationship to

> > > > the ragweed family. Ragweed is something that I've known for

> > quite

> > > some

> > > > time I was allergic to, but I always assumed it was just the

> > > pollens going

> > > > up my nose, mucous membranes, etc........not so, it is by

> > ingestion

> > > also, in

> > > > my case.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Re: favorite cold remedies? No

Echinacea?

> > > WHAT??!!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Good lord girlfriend where in the world did you get that

> > > information?

> > > > > I have taken echinacea all my life when I felt something

coming

> > > on.

> > > > > This is like when I had my first child and he had to stay

in the

> > > > > hospital because of jaundice..they told me NOT to

breastfeed

> > him,

> > > that

> > > > > it was bad for him due to the liver etc. Come to find out

> > later

> > > it was

> > > > > the BEST thing I could have done for him. STUPID DOCTORS!

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway you have to begin building up the immune system dear.

> > > > >

> > > > > What you are doing with the lemon and any over the counter

> > > medicine is

> > > > > treating SYMPTOMS NOT getting the root cause of the problem.

> > > > >

> > > > > Want to talk further just say so and I can help.

> > > > > ~Amy~

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Also---- ,

I know several thyroiders who started out with Graves' hyper swings

and they swear by it. My daughter's Graves and Hashi ab's have

improved, but can't verify it was from the Moducare – but am pretty

sure it was a positive contributor though.

Bj

> > > > >

> > > > > Hashimoto's people have VERY active immune systems. In

fact,

> > > > waaayyyy too

> > > > > active for their own good. Echinacea mobilizes these

little

> > > > monsters into

> > > > > action. Trouble is, OUR immune systems have become VERY

> mistaken

> > > > as to what

> > > > > to " aim for " . For those who are allergic to ragweed, also,

> > > > echinacea is in

> > > > > the ragweed family. I took it for around a wk or two about

> 10

> > > yrs

> > > > ago and

> > > > > developed allergic conjunctivitis for over a week and more,

> eyes

> > > > blistered,

> > > > > etc.....before I figured out that the echinacea was the

> latest

> > > > thing I'd

> > > > > introduced to my body. I stopped it, and in around 3 to 5

> days,

> > > > the

> > > > > conjunctivitis was gone. I reintroduced it about 2 wks

> later,

> > > and

> > > > I've

> > > > > never been surer of anything in my life. Allergy to it.

It

> was

> > > > around 2

> > > > > yrs later that I read over and over in various articles

it's

> > > > relationship to

> > > > > the ragweed family. Ragweed is something that I've known

for

> > > quite

> > > > some

> > > > > time I was allergic to, but I always assumed it was just

the

> > > > pollens going

> > > > > up my nose, mucous membranes, etc........not so, it is by

> > > ingestion

> > > > also, in

> > > > > my case.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: favorite cold remedies? No

> Echinacea?

> > > > WHAT??!!!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Good lord girlfriend where in the world did you get that

> > > > information?

> > > > > > I have taken echinacea all my life when I felt something

> coming

> > > > on.

> > > > > > This is like when I had my first child and he had to stay

> in the

> > > > > > hospital because of jaundice..they told me NOT to

> breastfeed

> > > him,

> > > > that

> > > > > > it was bad for him due to the liver etc. Come to find

out

> > > later

> > > > it was

> > > > > > the BEST thing I could have done for him. STUPID DOCTORS!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway you have to begin building up the immune system

dear.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What you are doing with the lemon and any over the

counter

> > > > medicine is

> > > > > > treating SYMPTOMS NOT getting the root cause of the

problem.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Want to talk further just say so and I can help.

> > > > > > ~Amy~

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What is Moducare?

hugs

Micki

Health Eating and Living Together http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/he2gether_/

My brother's online store check it out http://mcgregorgifts.ecrater.com/

From: Thyroiditis [mailto:Thyroiditis ] On Behalf Of b53cjf

Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008

1:34 PM

To: Thyroiditis

Subject: Re: No

Echinacea? WHAT??!!!

bj,

I have been considering the Moducare. Do you find it helps with the

hashi's at all? Supposedly it's supposed to normalize either over- or

under-active immune systems, so I wondered if it would lower antibodies.

Do you take this on a regular basis?

_,___

[Guest guest]

After speaking with some members of the About.com Thyroid support

forum, I'm growing a little wary to begin taking Moducare. I hear

that despite it being sold over the counter, it is a VERY potent

hormone that should definitely be taken WITH CLOSE DOCTOR MONITORING--

as one should look to have when taking hydrocortisone. ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hashimoto's people have VERY active immune systems. In

> fact,

> > > > > waaayyyy too

> > > > > > active for their own good. Echinacea mobilizes these

> little

> > > > > monsters into

> > > > > > action. Trouble is, OUR immune systems have become VERY

> > mistaken

> > > > > as to what

> > > > > > to " aim for " . For those who are allergic to ragweed,

also,

> > > > > echinacea is in

> > > > > > the ragweed family. I took it for around a wk or two

about

> > 10

> > > > yrs

> > > > > ago and

> > > > > > developed allergic conjunctivitis for over a week and

more,

> > eyes

> > > > > blistered,

> > > > > > etc.....before I figured out that the echinacea was the

> > latest

> > > > > thing I'd

> > > > > > introduced to my body. I stopped it, and in around 3 to

5

> > days,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > conjunctivitis was gone. I reintroduced it about 2 wks

> > later,

> > > > and

> > > > > I've

> > > > > > never been surer of anything in my life. Allergy to it.

> It

> > was

> > > > > around 2

> > > > > > yrs later that I read over and over in various articles

> it's

> > > > > relationship to

> > > > > > the ragweed family. Ragweed is something that I've known

> for

> > > > quite

> > > > > some

> > > > > > time I was allergic to, but I always assumed it was just

> the

> > > > > pollens going

> > > > > > up my nose, mucous membranes, etc........not so, it is by

> > > > ingestion

> > > > > also, in

> > > > > > my case.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: favorite cold remedies? No

> > Echinacea?

> > > > > WHAT??!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good lord girlfriend where in the world did you get

that

> > > > > information?

> > > > > > > I have taken echinacea all my life when I felt

something

> > coming

> > > > > on.

> > > > > > > This is like when I had my first child and he had to

stay

> > in the

> > > > > > > hospital because of jaundice..they told me NOT to

> > breastfeed

> > > > him,

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > it was bad for him due to the liver etc. Come to find

> out

> > > > later

> > > > > it was

> > > > > > > the BEST thing I could have done for him. STUPID

DOCTORS!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anyway you have to begin building up the immune system

> dear.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What you are doing with the lemon and any over the

> counter

> > > > > medicine is

> > > > > > > treating SYMPTOMS NOT getting the root cause of the

> problem.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Want to talk further just say so and I can help.

> > > > > > > ~Amy~

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

First of all ----Moducare is not (NOT) a VERY potent hormone----

Sterols are a large " subgroup " of steriods. They are not close to

being even steriod hormones.

HC is not a hormone either, it is a steriod medication and can be used

to support the adrenals glands.

A high-quality multivitamin and mineral supplement (especially B6, B12,

folate, pantothenic acid, C, zinc, selenium, chromium, and manganese)

can be an important starting point for the immune system. Some are

available with thymus extracts in them.

Please don't start Moducare of anything else for that matter without

reseaching and discussing it with a knowledgeable doctor?? In an ideal

world - there would be competent doctors who know how to treat us. The

TSH Gods are crazy. Good luck in finding a doctor that knows anything

about adrenals much less how to treat them. There are a few. It took

me over six years to find one. People from FL come all the way to WA

state to see him. Like I said good luck.

Ideally, it is best to have competent help. But do you just wilt up

and die waiting or do you research, learn and advocate for yourself?

My doctor said Moducare was a good choice as it helps decrease

inflammation - gluten sensitivity can cause considerable inflammation

as well as Hashi's.

Don't just go out and buy Moducare because I suggested it. Go out and

research, ask others, talk to your doctor if you trust her/him. I

never take the opinion of one person - especially via the internet.

And I " always " check out what others say for myself. Everyone has

opinions - that's just part of the human nature. Bottom line we all

have to take responsibility for our own health and hopefully make good

decisons with scientific information and valid experiences of others.

Not just the word or opinon of a stranger.

I know Hashi's can affect how we think and we can gasp at straws to be

better (been there done that and learned from it) - so please be

cautious.

Not everyone can afford it, it's rather expensive. One would need to

be consistent in taking it and totally committed. Expect the side

effect of improved cholesterol. And in my case Moducare was a good

alternative as I couldn't find a doc who knew how to treat Adrenal

Fatigue and in my fozzy state back then I was sure I would get in real

trouble treating on my own.

Good luck,

Bj

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> After speaking with some members of the About.com Thyroid support

> forum, I'm growing a little wary to begin taking Moducare. I hear

> that despite it being sold over the counter, it is a VERY potent

> hormone that should definitely be taken WITH CLOSE DOCTOR MONITORING--

> as one should look to have when taking hydrocortisone. ??