Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Well if you buy into Yasko's theory, some kids need hydroxy B12 which will convert to MB12. Depends on genetics but some kids do better with fewer methyl donors. But pretty much all of our kids need B12. > > hi, i am wondering if anyone has run into a situation where your child > no longer shows improvement when given the MB12 shots and shows no > regression when they are not given them for over 10 days at a time. can > we get our children to the point where they might just need one shot > every few weeks? thanks! phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 My son did the same thing as a matter of fact when I gave it too him he would scream with it and did this no other time. I do think there is something to Yasko and Pfeiffer suchas overmethylators/COMT++ kids who can't tolerate to many methyl donors, and yasko says that if the methl stores are depleted and when it fills up that is when you see the negatives or lack of usefulness. But Yes my son can no longer take MB12 and he did do well for about 2-3 nmonths but ironically did much better with the Jill Theory of TMG and phossphitydl serinw which made his language more appropiate. HTH Selena > > > > hi, i am wondering if anyone has run into a situation where your > child > > no longer shows improvement when given the MB12 shots and shows no > > regression when they are not given them for over 10 days at a time. > can > > we get our children to the point where they might just need one shot > > every few weeks? thanks! phil > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Here there is a little note I found in orthomolecular medicine that may help: High histamine individuals are inherently high in folic acid. Although folic acid is used along with B-12 in the production of methoionline it is also involved in histamine production along with B-12. Consequently B-12 and folic acid are strictly avoided in high histamine patient care. These patients need to avoid multi-vitamins. People with low histamine have been found with typical symptoms of under-achievement, more severe thought disorder and hallucinations, paranoid thoughts with less pronounced obsessions, suicidal depression, cyclic or suicidal depression, and anxiety. ( et al, 1998; Edelman, 1996; Jaffe & Kruesi, 1992; Walsh, PTC - Ref. . Excess copper and zinc defiiciency, discussed below under heavy- metal overload, are typical low histamine traits that need to be addressed (Sandstead, 1994; Wallwork, 1987; Pfeiffer & Braverman, 1982; Walsh, PTC - Ref. . > > > > hi, i am wondering if anyone has run into a situation where your > child > > no longer shows improvement when given the MB12 shots and shows no > > regression when they are not given them for over 10 days at a time. > can > > we get our children to the point where they might just need one shot > > every few weeks? thanks! phil > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 HI, My daughter has elevated histamine levels and am getting ready to start the b12 spray. If she is to avoid them and multivitamins, what is she supposed to be taking? I am interested in your suggestions, but will not blindly see any doctor that my insurance will not pay for unless there is something that I feel is really going to be helpful for my daughter. My daughter also has a processing disorder. She has trouble focusing in class and staying on task and is un- organized. I thought the b12 would be good for her because of those things and I finally found a doctor to prescribe it who isnt charging me an arm and a leg. Your suggestions are appreciated. Thank you. Suzanne Re: no longer needs MB12? Here there is a little note I found in orthomolecular medicine that may help:High histamine individuals are inherently high in folic acid. Although folic acid is used along with B-12 in the production of methoionline it is also involved in histamine production along with B-12. Consequently B-12 and folic acid are strictly avoided in high histamine patient care. These patients need to avoid multi-vitamins.People with low histamine have been found with typical symptoms of under-achievement, more severe thought disorder and hallucinations, paranoid thoughts with less pronounced obsessions, suicidal depression, cyclic or suicidal depression, and anxiety. ( et al, 1998; Edelman, 1996; Jaffe & Kruesi, 1992; Walsh, PTC - Ref. .Excess copper and zinc defiiciency, discussed below under heavy-metal overload, are typical low histamine traits that need to be addressed (Sandstead, 1994; Wallwork, 1987; Pfeiffer & Braverman, 1982; Walsh, PTC - Ref. .> >> > hi, i am wondering if anyone has run into a situation where your > child > > no longer shows improvement when given the MB12 shots and shows no > > regression when they are not given them for over 10 days at a time. > can > > we get our children to the point where they might just need one shot > > every few weeks? thanks! phil> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 , Thanks for posting this, I have never put the high folic acid with the high histamines. My son has so many allergies, cannot take folinic acid, nor can he take many multivitamins or calcium. He does do okay with MB-12 shots alone. I started giving spirulina because it is from one food source to get some of the stuff in. This fits his profile so well. Thanks, From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of reversing_autism Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 1:33 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: no longer needs MB12? Here there is a little note I found in orthomolecular medicine that may help: High histamine individuals are inherently high in folic acid. Although folic acid is used along with B-12 in the production of methoionline it is also involved in histamine production along with B-12. Consequently B-12 and folic acid are strictly avoided in high histamine patient care. These patients need to avoid multi-vitamins. People with low histamine have been found with typical symptoms of under-achievement, more severe thought disorder and hallucinations, paranoid thoughts with less pronounced obsessions, suicidal depression, cyclic or suicidal depression, and anxiety. ( et al, 1998; Edelman, 1996; Jaffe & Kruesi, 1992; Walsh, PTC - Ref. . Excess copper and zinc defiiciency, discussed below under heavy- metal overload, are typical low histamine traits that need to be addressed (Sandstead, 1994; Wallwork, 1987; Pfeiffer & Braverman, 1982; Walsh, PTC - Ref. . > > > > hi, i am wondering if anyone has run into a situation where your > child > > no longer shows improvement when given the MB12 shots and shows no > > regression when they are not given them for over 10 days at a time. > can > > we get our children to the point where they might just need one shot > > every few weeks? thanks! phil > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 well, my grandson must be an exception-he has bad allergies, high histamines, and the B12 nasal spray with folinic has cleared up his nose like nevr before. Chap 'n Ali wrote: , Thanks for posting this, I have never put the high folic acid with the high histamines. My son has so many allergies, cannot take folinic acid, nor can he take many multivitamins or calcium. He does do okay with MB-12 shots alone. I started giving spirulina because it is from one food source to get some of the stuff in. This fits his profile so well. Thanks, From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of reversing_autismSent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 1:33 AMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: no longer needs MB12? Here there is a little note I found in orthomolecular medicine that may help:High histamine individuals are inherently high in folic acid. Although folic acid is used along with B-12 in the production of methoionline it is also involved in histamine production along with B-12. Consequently B-12 and folic acid are strictly avoided in high histamine patient care. These patients need to avoid multi-vitamins.People with low histamine have been found with typical symptoms of under-achievement, more severe thought disorder and hallucinations, paranoid thoughts with less pronounced obsessions, suicidal depression, cyclic or suicidal depression, and anxiety. ( et al, 1998; Edelman, 1996; Jaffe & Kruesi, 1992; Walsh, PTC - Ref. .Excess copper and zinc defiiciency, discussed below under heavy-metal overload, are typical low histamine traits that need to be addressed (Sandstead, 1994; Wallwork, 1987; Pfeiffer & Braverman, 1982; Walsh, PTC - Ref. .> >> > hi, i am wondering if anyone has run into a situation where your > child > > no longer shows improvement when given the MB12 shots and shows no > > regression when they are not given them for over 10 days at a time. > can > > we get our children to the point where they might just need one shot > > every few weeks? thanks! phil> >> Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 That’s really interesting Maureen. Did you have him on allergy medicine too? My GI thinks CJ needs singulair to stop the process before it gets to histamines in order to process some of medicine and supplements. The last couple of months have really killed some of my confidence because everything we try he seems to react badly to. Although early results were good before this. We have never tried the nasal though. I did stop the constant nose running two years ago with an antioxidant supplement which seems to be the only thing working anymore. - From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Maurine Meleck Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:24 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: RE: Re: no longer needs MB12? well, my grandson must be an exception-he has bad allergies, high histamines, and the B12 nasal spray with folinic has cleared up his nose like nevr before. Chap 'n Ali <chapnalliverizon (DOT) net> wrote: , Thanks for posting this, I have never put the high folic acid with the high histamines. My son has so many allergies, cannot take folinic acid, nor can he take many multivitamins or calcium. He does do okay with MB-12 shots alone. I started giving spirulina because it is from one food source to get some of the stuff in. This fits his profile so well. Thanks, From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of reversing_autism Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 1:33 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: no longer needs MB12? Here there is a little note I found in orthomolecular medicine that may help: High histamine individuals are inherently high in folic acid. Although folic acid is used along with B-12 in the production of methoionline it is also involved in histamine production along with B-12. Consequently B-12 and folic acid are strictly avoided in high histamine patient care. These patients need to avoid multi-vitamins. People with low histamine have been found with typical symptoms of under-achievement, more severe thought disorder and hallucinations, paranoid thoughts with less pronounced obsessions, suicidal depression, cyclic or suicidal depression, and anxiety. ( et al, 1998; Edelman, 1996; Jaffe & Kruesi, 1992; Walsh, PTC - Ref. . Excess copper and zinc defiiciency, discussed below under heavy- metal overload, are typical low histamine traits that need to be addressed (Sandstead, 1994; Wallwork, 1987; Pfeiffer & Braverman, 1982; Walsh, PTC - Ref. . > > > > hi, i am wondering if anyone has run into a situation where your > child > > no longer shows improvement when given the MB12 shots and shows no > > regression when they are not given them for over 10 days at a time. > can > > we get our children to the point where they might just need one shot > > every few weeks? thanks! phil > > > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Hi , Yes, he is on an antihistamene every day , every day. It's a 24 hour one -loratadine(sp) same as singular and the others---but that did not work for him alone-it was only when we began the nasal spray that we saw the difference. Maurine (I actually would prefer and so would his DAN that we do the shots-but I am alone with him and he really struggled with it after the initial shots I gave him and fought like heck-tried in sleep and he woke up-tried everything.Chap 'n Ali wrote: That’s really interesting Maureen. Did you have him on allergy medicine too? My GI thinks CJ needs singulair to stop the process before it gets to histamines in order to process some of medicine and supplements. The last couple of months have really killed some of my confidence because everything we try he seems to react badly to. Although early results were good before this. We have never tried the nasal though. I did stop the constant nose running two years ago with an antioxidant supplement which seems to be the only thing working anymore. - From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Maurine MeleckSent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:24 AMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: RE: Re: no longer needs MB12? well, my grandson must be an exception-he has bad allergies, high histamines, and the B12 nasal spray with folinic has cleared up his nose like nevr before. Chap 'n Ali <chapnalliverizon (DOT) net> wrote: , Thanks for posting this, I have never put the high folic acid with the high histamines. My son has so many allergies, cannot take folinic acid, nor can he take many multivitamins or calcium. He does do okay with MB-12 shots alone. I started giving spirulina because it is from one food source to get some of the stuff in. This fits his profile so well. Thanks, From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of reversing_autismSent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 1:33 AMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: no longer needs MB12? Here there is a little note I found in orthomolecular medicine that may help:High histamine individuals are inherently high in folic acid. Although folic acid is used along with B-12 in the production of methoionline it is also involved in histamine production along with B-12. Consequently B-12 and folic acid are strictly avoided in high histamine patient care. These patients need to avoid multi-vitamins.People with low histamine have been found with typical symptoms of under-achievement, more severe thought disorder and hallucinations, paranoid thoughts with less pronounced obsessions, suicidal depression, cyclic or suicidal depression, and anxiety. ( et al, 1998; Edelman, 1996; Jaffe & Kruesi, 1992; Walsh, PTC - Ref. .Excess copper and zinc defiiciency, discussed below under heavy-metal overload, are typical low histamine traits that need to be addressed (Sandstead, 1994; Wallwork, 1987; Pfeiffer & Braverman, 1982; Walsh, PTC - Ref. .> >> > hi, i am wondering if anyone has run into a situation where your > child > > no longer shows improvement when given the MB12 shots and shows no > > regression when they are not given them for over 10 days at a time. > can > > we get our children to the point where they might just need one shot > > every few weeks? thanks! phil> >> Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 I’m having problems with the shots some now too. His sleep cycle was fantastic for months after we started biomed but the yeast beast came and took away his and my sleep again. I have had to really lay on the emula cream in order to give the shots. I’m glad the nasal is working for you. Take care, From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Maurine Meleck Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:21 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: RE: Re: no longer needs MB12? Hi , Yes, he is on an antihistamene every day , every day. It's a 24 hour one -loratadine(sp) same as singular and the others---but that did not work for him alone-it was only when we began the nasal spray that we saw the difference. Maurine (I actually would prefer and so would his DAN that we do the shots-but I am alone with him and he really struggled with it after the initial shots I gave him and fought like heck-tried in sleep and he woke up-tried everything. Chap 'n Ali <chapnalliverizon (DOT) net> wrote: That’s really interesting Maureen. Did you have him on allergy medicine too? My GI thinks CJ needs singulair to stop the process before it gets to histamines in order to process some of medicine and supplements. The last couple of months have really killed some of my confidence because everything we try he seems to react badly to. Although early results were good before this. We have never tried the nasal though. I did stop the constant nose running two years ago with an antioxidant supplement which seems to be the only thing working anymore. - From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of Maurine Meleck Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:24 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: RE: Re: no longer needs MB12? well, my grandson must be an exception-he has bad allergies, high histamines, and the B12 nasal spray with folinic has cleared up his nose like nevr before. Chap 'n Ali <chapnalliverizon (DOT) net> wrote: , Thanks for posting this, I have never put the high folic acid with the high histamines. My son has so many allergies, cannot take folinic acid, nor can he take many multivitamins or calcium. He does do okay with MB-12 shots alone. I started giving spirulina because it is from one food source to get some of the stuff in. This fits his profile so well. Thanks, From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of reversing_autism Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 1:33 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: no longer needs MB12? Here there is a little note I found in orthomolecular medicine that may help: High histamine individuals are inherently high in folic acid. Although folic acid is used along with B-12 in the production of methoionline it is also involved in histamine production along with B-12. Consequently B-12 and folic acid are strictly avoided in high histamine patient care. These patients need to avoid multi-vitamins. People with low histamine have been found with typical symptoms of under-achievement, more severe thought disorder and hallucinations, paranoid thoughts with less pronounced obsessions, suicidal depression, cyclic or suicidal depression, and anxiety. ( et al, 1998; Edelman, 1996; Jaffe & Kruesi, 1992; Walsh, PTC - Ref. . Excess copper and zinc defiiciency, discussed below under heavy- metal overload, are typical low histamine traits that need to be addressed (Sandstead, 1994; Wallwork, 1987; Pfeiffer & Braverman, 1982; Walsh, PTC - Ref. . > > > > hi, i am wondering if anyone has run into a situation where your > child > > no longer shows improvement when given the MB12 shots and shows no > > regression when they are not given them for over 10 days at a time. > can > > we get our children to the point where they might just need one shot > > every few weeks? thanks! phil > > > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 What 'anti-oxidant supplement' did you use to stop the runny nose? > > > > > > hi, i am wondering if anyone has run into a situation where your > > child > > > no longer shows improvement when given the MB12 shots and shows > no > > > regression when they are not given them for over 10 days at a > time. > > can > > > we get our children to the point where they might just need one > shot > > > every few weeks? thanks! phil > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman8/*http:/us.rd.yahoo. com/evt > =39663/*http:/voice.yahoo.com> call rates. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 I use Isotonix OPC-3 sold by Marketing America. My sister is a massage therapist and gets it for me. My DAN really likes the stuff and told me to definitely keep him on it. He used to catch every single virus he came into contact with until I started giving this to him. Now he is only vulnerable to the stomach bugs that go around. I used to be very inconsistent in giving it, every time he was off he would catch something, every time we were back on he’d have no runny nose and no viruses other than stomach bugs. That is except when I put him on Valtrex and once when I tried OLE for a month. My ABA therapist would know when I ran out and used to say, “You need to put him back on the OPCs”. Since then I’ve given it every day. Many chiropractors and massage therapist sell it. - From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of ntkjmt Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:43 AM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: no longer needs MB12? What 'anti-oxidant supplement' did you use to stop the runny nose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 , Is there a link or sight you could refer me to that could explain this process? Are you talking diet, yeast meds, herbs? Because we’ve been trying to get a handle on all of those for a while now. Thanks, From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of reversing_autism Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 2:45 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: no longer needs MB12? I could not figure it out myself, why I when I tried b12 I got hyper the first time and my son too, but I research and found the answer in orthomolecular medicine explanation, now I know how to do it in perfect combination so I can take full advantage of the b12. I also believe the fungus alkaloids in the body can impede the b12 to work. I recently discover a way to make the b12 finally work for my son and me, and It has to do with excreting alkaloids first. . Messages in this topic (13) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 , I do not like to go out of the chatroom topic, but you may find answers in my chat room " reversingautism " . I did herbs,diet and megadoses of niacin. I can explain you there. . > > , > > Is there a link or sight you could refer me to that could explain this > process? Are you talking diet, yeast meds, herbs? Because we've been > trying to get a handle on all of those for a while now. Thanks, > > > > _____ > > From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On > Behalf Of reversing_autism > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 2:45 PM > To: mb12 valtrex > Subject: Re: no longer needs MB12? > > > > I could not figure it out myself, why I when I tried b12 I got hyper > the first time and my son too, but I research and found the answer > in orthomolecular medicine explanation, now I know how to do it in > perfect combination so I can take full advantage of the b12. > > I also believe the fungus alkaloids in the body can impede the b12 > to work. > > I recently discover a way to make the b12 finally work for my son > and me, and It has to do with excreting alkaloids first. > > . > > > > > Messages > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/message/12033;_ylc=X3oDMTM 3dWQzM2 > VoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDk5NTI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRtc2d JZAMxMj > EwNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzExNjIxNTEyNTkEdHBjSWQDMTIwMzM- > in this > topic (13) > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyZW03NXZo BF9TAzk > 3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDk5NTI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRtc2dJZAMxMjEw NQRzZWM > DZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzExNjIxNTEyNTk-? act=reply & messageNum=12105> Reply > (via web post) | Start > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNDAxNHZk BF9TAzk > 3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDk5NTI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNs awNudHB > jBHN0aW1lAzExNjIxNTEyNTk-> a new topic > > Messages > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJmYmJk NmQ5BF9 > TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDk5NTI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRzZWMDZnRy BHNsawN > tc2dzBHN0aW1lAzExNjIxNTEyNTk-> | Files > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJnYXVma3Z oBF9TAz > k3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDk5NTI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRzZWMDZnRyBHN sawNmaW > xlcwRzdGltZQMxMTYyMTUxMjU5> | Photos > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJmODRmcz IxBF9TA > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDk5NTI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRzZWMDZnRyBH NsawNwa > G90BHN0aW1lAzExNjIxNTEyNTk-> | Database > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdXNj NW1mBF9 > TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDk5NTI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRzZWMDZnRy BHNsawN > kYgRzdGltZQMxMTYyMTUxMjU5> | Members > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJmOWM2Y WwwBF9T > Azk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDk5NTI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRzZWMDZnRyB HNsawNt > YnJzBHN0aW1lAzExNjIxNTEyNTk-> | Calendar > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNGg3 aW8yBF9 > TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDk5NTI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRzZWMDZnRy BHNsawN > jYWwEc3RpbWUDMTE2MjE1MTI1OQ--> > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNTVhdHJsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycE lkAzE2N > Dk5NTI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTE2Mj E1MTI1O > Q--> Yahoo! Groups > Change > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJnaTIyajJ2 BF9TAzk > 3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDk5NTI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNs awNzdG5 > ncwRzdGltZQMxMTYyMTUxMjU5> settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch > <mailto:mb12 valtrex-digest ?subject=Email% 20Delivery:%20Diges > t> delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > <mailto:mb12 valtrex-traditional ?subject=Change% 20Delivery%20 > Format:%20Traditional> format to Traditional > Visit > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex;_ylc=X3oDMTJlM2s3MG8wBF9TA zk3MzU5 > NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDk5NTI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNoc GYEc3Rp > bWUDMTE2MjE1MTI1OQ--> Your Group | Yahoo! Groups > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > <mailto:mb12 valtrex-unsubscribe ?subject=> > > Recent Activity > > * 12 > > New > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnN2Fvb WYwBF9T > Azk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDk5NTI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRzZWMDdnRsB HNsawN2 > bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMTYyMTUxMjU5> Members > > Visit > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12 valtrex;_ylc=X3oDMTJmYmZtZWkzBF9TA zk3MzU5 > NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDk5NTI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z 2hwBHN0 > aW1lAzExNjIxNTEyNTk-> Your Group > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 , I have heard of noni juice. I have bought it before. Is this what you are talking about? Rena -----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of Dr. Graham-GarzaSent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:34 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: no longer needs MB12? Has anyone heard of the fruit called noni? RE: Re: no longer needs MB12? I use Isotonix OPC-3 sold by Marketing America. My sister is a massage therapist and gets it for me. My DAN really likes the stuff and told me to definitely keep him on it. He used to catch every single virus he came into contact with until I started giving this to him. Now he is only vulnerable to the stomach bugs that go around. I used to be very inconsistent in giving it, every time he was off he would catch something, every time we were back on he'd have no runny nose and no viruses other than stomach bugs. That is except when I put him on Valtrex and once when I tried OLE for a month. My ABA therapist would know when I ran out and used to say, "You need to put him back on the OPCs". Since then I've given it every day. Many chiropractors and massage therapist sell it. - From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of ntkjmtSent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:43 AMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: no longer needs MB12? What 'anti-oxidant supplement' did you use to stop the runny nose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Most of the time in our practice when we hear that the shots used to work and then stopped, we find that the supplements are not within the specified ranges. Many parents (and docs) think all you need is the mb12. They fail to realize that mb12 needs other minerals and vitamins to work. Since we are giving it in higher doses than what you would normally ingest, it will pull from the body's storehouse in order to produce its effect. When the body gets low, the effect " plateaus " . The other thing we see is that as the childs gut heals, we may need to reduce dosage or frequency of the shot. A child that did well on the high dose daily protocol may need to go back to the every 3 day. Children that take xxxx mcg may need to go to yyyy mcg. The most frequent issue we see is the one described in my first paragraph. The second paragraph occurs much less frequently but has happened in those children whose gut is healed/nearly healed. > > hi, i am wondering if anyone has run into a situation where your child > no longer shows improvement when given the MB12 shots and shows no > regression when they are not given them for over 10 days at a time. can > we get our children to the point where they might just need one shot > every few weeks? thanks! phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 yes,rena it is. send me your email again and we'll talk off-line. lisa RE: Re: no longer needs MB12? I use Isotonix OPC-3 sold by Marketing America. My sister is a massage therapist and gets it for me. My DAN really likes the stuff and told me to definitely keep him on it. He used to catch every single virus he came into contact with until I started giving this to him. Now he is only vulnerable to the stomach bugs that go around. I used to be very inconsistent in giving it, every time he was off he would catch something, every time we were back on he'd have no runny nose and no viruses other than stomach bugs. That is except when I put him on Valtrex and once when I tried OLE for a month. My ABA therapist would know when I ran out and used to say, "You need to put him back on the OPCs". Since then I've given it every day. Many chiropractors and massage therapist sell it. - From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of ntkjmtSent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:43 AMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: no longer needs MB12? What 'anti-oxidant supplement' did you use to stop the runny nose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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