Guest guest Posted November 26, 2002 Report Share Posted November 26, 2002 I read one theory about " anger " or " depression " in chronic life-long illnesses. People with them go through the same steps as in " Death and Dying " books point out. The Anger, Denial, etc. I think a lot of times the anger or " depression " is nothing more than " grieving " for our " losses " however. And with the chronic disease we have, there are many systematic loses than anything. Things just seem to domino effect...one by one... piece by piece, fall away. Just time we reckon with one loss and learn to adapt to the change of lifestyle for it...yet another loss comes along. Then the whole process of " grieving " or anger, denial, etc. comes round again for us to come to terms with and resolve. I don't think we are in a constant state of anger or depression...I think we are in a constant state of grieving. We grieve one loss... then another loss happens, and we grieve it also. This is a normal reaction. However, it is not something the Normal Healthy population would understand. So they label it to make themselves feel comfortable. Hey.... did I just make sense??? Something seems like it don't sound right. My brain isn't working well tonight. But I think ya'll know what I am getting at. We need to learn and teach our Doctors what the difference between Depression, Grief, Anger is. Or something along those lines! Doctors are too fast to not try and discern it. They just throw that label of " anger " or " depression " up and try to give us another antidepressant and tell us we have " issues " in our life. Like the ISSUE of chronic disease isn't our issue!!!???? As far as I am concerned, there are no other issues! Everything else is just.... " LIFE " in general! The disease is my only issue! Ok.... I think I am still not making much sense! So will stop! Susie (Elf) wrote: > Hi, Kathy! Yes, I've heard and read about ideas like that before. My > opinion, if the implication is that angry people get RA, is that this > theory should be placed in the less-than-constructive " blame the > patient " category. Sure, anger doesn't help any physical condition, > but > to point to it as a root cause of RA is too simplistic and basically > unfair. Genetic and more tangible environmental influences are > unreasonably minimized with this kind of thinking. Such a concept > isn't > very good at explaining why children who have had nothing but a good > life experience get JRA or similar illnesses either. > > Also, maybe your therapist's patients can be collectively > characterized > as a group who HAS BECOME angry. Did he know them all prior to their > illnesses? And I'm not sure his comments would be all that helpful to > those he is treating since the underlying message is, " If you weren't > such an angry person, you wouldn't have become sick. " Bull. > > > > > Re: [ ] Re: Enbrel anyone? Susie aka Elf > > > <PRE>my therapist always says he only knows one thing about ra. that > is > anger. > anyone else ever hear of this??? just curious. kathy in il > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 <PRE>thanks susie, it made perfect sense to me!! kathy in il Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 Hi, and Kathy, After dealing with doctors (many of them) for more problems than I ever thought I would have in my life, I have come to the conclusion that those who tell me or imply or infer that my problems are all in my head lack the necessary skills to be my doctor. Many things go on in my head. Making myself sick is not one of them. I actually had one tell me that I made myself sick so that I would have my husband's undivided attention. Huh? I know of more marriages that have ended because of chronic illness than were ever pulled closer together. So much for the intelligence of the medical community. I figure they need to leave psychology to those who are trained in it. The psychologists should leave other aspects of medicine to the MDs. I sincerely hope that you have left this doctor's care, Kathy. If not, I would consider doing so post haste. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: " " <Matsumura_Clan@...> > Hi, Kathy! Yes, I've heard and read about ideas like that before. My > opinion, if the implication is that angry people get RA, is that this > theory should be placed in the less-than-constructive " blame the > patient " category. Sure, anger doesn't help any physical condition, but > to point to it as a root cause of RA is too simplistic and basically > unfair. Genetic and more tangible environmental influences are > unreasonably minimized with this kind of thinking. Such a concept isn't > very good at explaining why children who have had nothing but a good > life experience get JRA or similar illnesses either. > > Also, maybe your therapist's patients can be collectively characterized > as a group who HAS BECOME angry. Did he know them all prior to their > illnesses? And I'm not sure his comments would be all that helpful to > those he is treating since the underlying message is, " If you weren't > such an angry person, you wouldn't have become sick. " Bull. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 <PRE>this was my counselor. this is all he said he knew about ra. so he is not really my dr. i am teaching him new things everyday he says. i was just wondering if anyone else had heard of this. kathy in il Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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