Guest guest Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Hi Tina... I heard on the early morning news that the general public won't be getting the vaccine until about 2004 and that it was NOT going to be mandatory...!!! Someone in either this group or another one said that they had read that people with any type of auto-immune disease did not have to take it should the vaccination be mandatory. -- [ ] Small Pox Vaccine Does anyone feel scared about the small pox vaccine becoming avialable? I herd that it can be very risky for anyone with an autoammune problem. Tina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 My understanding is that although they passed legislation that gives the government authority to force anyone and everyone to take a vaccination, President Bush stated it would be voluntary. I don¹t think we have anything to worry about as far as it being mandatory. Our biggest problem will be staying away from others that have been vaccinated since they can pass the disease on to us. a > > Hi Tina... > I heard on the early morning news that the general public won't be getting > the vaccine until about 2004 and that it was NOT going to be mandatory...!!! > Someone in either this group or another one said that they had read that > people with any type of auto-immune disease did not have to take it should > the vaccination be mandatory. > > > > -- [ ] Small Pox Vaccine > > Does anyone feel scared about the small pox vaccine becoming > avialable? I herd that it can be very risky for anyone with an > autoammune problem. > > Tina > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Tina, My son is a scientist and makes drugs. Mostly for cancer but I am going to call and ask him what he thinks. He will find out for me. But he is a person who doesn't believe in the flu shot. He doesn't think anyone should get it, but my doctor always gives it to me. I'll let you know. He can be hard to track down. Lynn " tina3kk " wrote: > Does anyone feel scared about the small pox vaccine becoming > avialable? I herd that it can be very risky for anyone with an > autoammune problem. > > Tina > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 I was just wondering if anyone else who had smallpox vaccines before like I did ever remember having weird reactions to them.....I know I have had 3 ...I remember the one when I was 10...it was Easter time and I remember falling asleep at dining room table with my arm was scabbed over and it was running oozy down my arm. Now I had my last one when I was 27or so and same thing happened once it got to scab over stage. Feeling sick.....so if I reacted that way and was " healthy " in those days ....I hate to think what it would do now. I was reading in the paper today that most people in the US will have some kind of reaction....from mild to causing death ....They even said people who get sick should stay away from those people who cant get the shot.....I guess I'm kind of hoping maybe those shots from years ago might help me now......is it possible they have any long term effect? like the polio or tetanus shots? Just curious .Judy in AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Hi, Tina, Regardless of what any government agency says, or even what the US President says, if taking the Small Pox vaccine will endanger your current health then there will be ways to prevent having to take an innocculation. I have had the Small Pox vaccine twice. One as a young child before starting school and a second time as an adult who was going overseas to join my husband. Those who vaccinations were given before it was known that I had any sort of immune disorder. Would I take the Small Pox vaccination now? Heavens no, and I will fight for a court-order injunction against any agent or indivdual who tries to force it on me. I am living my life the best I can considering what I have at risk already. If I catch Small Pox, there is more that can be done to help than was true years ago, so I will risk cathcing it " accidently " rather than probably catching it because of someone else's paranoia. Dianne > > " tina3kk " wrote: > > > Does anyone feel scared about the small pox vaccine becoming > > avialable? I herd that it can be very risky for anyone with an > > autoammune problem. > > > > Tina > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2002 Report Share Posted December 12, 2002 Right on, Dianne... I too had the small pox vaccination when I was younger (I'm 55 now) at least twice... once was when I went to Europe for the 1st time in 1958; the other time, I don't remember. We have at least until 2004 - if I understood the news report this morning on the very early (lol) news. They are making it mandatory for military personnel and hospital workers - they will be getting the vaccine starting in January. I have RA - which, fortunately, was diagnosed with treatment started as soon as the diagnosis was certain at the end of August of '97 - methotrexate once a week, folic acid 24hrs prior and 20mg prednisone daily... this started in the very beginning of September '97 - my 50th birthday present (lol). This all happened while I was living and working on the Greek island of Mykonos. I have since returned to the states - living in Miami, FL (where I was not getting proper medical attention) before coming up here to Columbus, OH (where I am getting care from a Rheumatologist). I am seeing her next week and will definitely keep in mind to ask her what she thinks and I will mention that some people I know from a support message board are very very concerned. I have a feeling that this whole thing is being blown out of proportion - as far as the " mandatory " bit goes ... I don t think that Bush and the government are that stupid to risk the health of the thousands of people here in the US that are stricken with some form of auto-immune disease - but, one nevers knows with politicians (I don't trust any of them). Stay safe and God bless... -- Re: [ ] Small Pox Vaccine Hi, Tina, Regardless of what any government agency says, or even what the US President says, if taking the Small Pox vaccine will endanger your current health then there will be ways to prevent having to take an innocculation. I have had the Small Pox vaccine twice. One as a young child before starting school and a second time as an adult who was going overseas to join my husband. Those who vaccinations were given before it was known that I had any sort of immune disorder. Would I take the Small Pox vaccination now? Heavens no, and I will fight for a court-order injunction against any agent or indivdual who tries to force it on me. I am living my life the best I can considering what I have at risk already. If I catch Small Pox, there is more that can be done to help than was true years ago, so I will risk cathcing it " accidently " rather than probably catching it because of someone else's paranoia. Dianne > > " tina3kk " wrote: > > > Does anyone feel scared about the small pox vaccine becoming > > avialable? I herd that it can be very risky for anyone with an > > autoammune problem. > > > > Tina > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 Hi, ! I haven't really read the entire proposal yet, but to my knowledge there is no provision for what action to take if the vaccine is refused. In the case of persons with known immunilogical problems, there is justification for not taking the vaccine. Logically speaking, they cannot lock us all up, so another action would have to be taken. The only thing left at that point would be to leave us on our own and hope that we don't catch anything. What is not being talked about is the fact that Small Pox was never erradicated from the world population, only the US and Canadian population. So, no, US children are no longer innoculated against this, but that does not mean that the threat of Small Pox does not exist in other areas or that it does not enter this country in other ways.. I think we are still seeing a lot of " limited panic " paranoid responses to 9/11 and that makes me wonder why the control freaks in DC are being so pessimistic about this. If a Small Pox epidemic starts in this country, we would be no worse off than we were when there was no vaccine against it. Small Pox can be " delivered " in many ways. The politicians are reading too much sci-fi or being fed too many conspiracy theories so now they have no idea what to do. The result is that they come up with legislation and other official policies so they feel that they are taking the right actions. ly, I don't trust politicians either. Well, I do, I guess.... About as far as I can throw any of them. In other words I do not trust them out of my sight! LOL! None of them got where they are by telling the entire truth all the time. They all seem to forget that they are just humans and not any better than the rest of us. The best defense against any disease is practicing good habits in cleanliness. I use a lot of Lysol around here. If anyone is sick in the house, I even use Lysol in the rinse cycle on their clothing and bedding. Clorox -- any chlorine bleach -- is another good disinfectant. Use hot water on the dishes and give them a second rinse with water hotter than your hands will stand. (No, I do not have an automatic dishwasher). I have more than immune disorder, but am rarely ill from other illnesses because I take care of things before they can get to me. I am well enough to be out and about most of the time and I am thankful to God for that, but I also realize that my status can change quickly. I practice prevention rather than wait for something to land on me. Changing the filters on the HVAC system is another good thing to do. Ours are changed on the same day that I make the morgage payment -- keeps me from forgetting. Getting enough fresh air into the house even during the cold winter months is a good way to prevent illnesses. Most viruses do not live in cold. They thrive in the heat. Avoid being with other people when either they or you are not feeling well. Sneezing does pass things around, so if a person is sneezing, I will ask if it is a cold or allergies. Allergies do not give a fever, as a rule, unless there is a secondary problem going on. I use a lot of vitamin C when exposed to someone else's cold germs. I use less of it when things are " okay " . Stay away from eating establishments where good sense is not used in keeping the place clean and neat. If the table is spattered, don't sit there. If the glassware or silverware do not look clean, do not use it -- leave -- if the supposedly " clean " things on your table look dirty, then the rest of their stuff is dirty too. Small Pox is a " contact " virus. The virus has to come to you. ly, the only country that is angry enough with us right now to do such a thing is Iraq and I think that Saddam Hussein knows better than to send something like that over here -- he would be " fried " by something even more deadly. The bottom line for me is that we are all going to die from something, so I do what I can and leave the rest to God. Dianne Re: [ ] Small Pox Vaccine > > > > Hi, Tina, > > > > Regardless of what any government agency says, or even what the US > > President says, if taking the Small Pox vaccine will endanger your current > > health then there will be ways to prevent having to take an innocculation. > > > > I have had the Small Pox vaccine twice. One as a young child before > > starting school and a second time as an adult who was going overseas to join > > my husband. Those who vaccinations were given before it was known that I > > had any sort of immune disorder. Would I take the Small Pox vaccination > > now? Heavens no, and I will fight for a court-order injunction against any > > agent or indivdual who tries to force it on me. > > > > I am living my life the best I can considering what I have at risk > > already. If I catch Small Pox, there is more that can be done to help than > > was true years ago, so I will risk cathcing it " accidently " rather than > > probably catching it because of someone else's paranoia. > > > > Dianne > > > > > > " tina3kk " wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone feel scared about the small pox vaccine becoming > > > > avialable? I herd that it can be very risky for anyone with an > > > > autoammune problem. > > > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2002 Report Share Posted December 15, 2002 I'm wondering about whether the risk remains high for those of us who " successfully " had the inoculations when we were kids. Since we " survived " the shots once, does it mean a second immunization will go okay too? I read in today's paper that the is a small study being done on this very subject as we speak. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. Of course, I'm not sure the study includes people with compromised immune systems. Suzanne Re: [ ] Small Pox Vaccine > Tina: > > There was a segment on 60 Minutes last night about the > smallpox vaccine and the doctor who was speaking did > say that people with compromised immune systems should > not have the injection, this also went for those who > had had transplants, aids, hiv, etc. I feel that they > are well aware of the risks the shot would be to those > like ourselves who have immune system disease. > > Kathe in CA > > --- " tina3kk <thekibbies@...> " > <thekibbies@...> wrote: > > Does anyone feel scared about the small pox vaccine > > becoming > > avialable? I herd that it can be very risky for > > anyone with an > > autoammune problem. > > > > Tina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2002 Report Share Posted December 15, 2002 That's certainly going to be hard for any of us who work with the public! Suzanne [ ] Small Pox Vaccine > > Does anyone feel scared about the small pox vaccine becoming > avialable? I herd that it can be very risky for anyone with an > autoammune problem. > > Tina > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2002 Report Share Posted December 15, 2002 I don't remember at all what it was like getting the shot. I just know I had one. Suzanne Re: [ ] Small Pox Vaccine > I was just wondering if anyone else who had smallpox vaccines before like I > did ever remember having weird reactions to them.....I know I have had 3 ....I > remember the one when I was 10...it was Easter time and I remember falling > asleep at dining room table with my arm was scabbed over and it was running > oozy down my arm. Now I had my last one when I was 27or so and same thing > happened once it got to scab over stage. Feeling sick.....so if I reacted > that way and was " healthy " in those days ....I hate to think what it would do > now. > > I was reading in the paper today that most people in the US will have some > kind of reaction....from mild to causing death ....They even said people who > get sick should stay away from those people who cant get the shot.....I guess > I'm kind of hoping maybe those shots from years ago might help me now......is > it possible they have any long term effect? like the polio or tetanus shots? > > Just curious .Judy in AZ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2002 Report Share Posted December 16, 2002 Hi, Suzanne, I am not sure that I have an answer for you, however, my best guess would be that your ability to survive an innoculation again would depend on when you had the last one for the same disease and when it was learned that your immune system was no longer " normal " . I have survived two innoculations for Smallpox, one as a child, and one as a young adult, but I am not confident of being able to be innoculated again now because of the status of my immune system. Although a lot is known about what our immune systems are doing or not doing now, there is so much more that is unknown/not-yet-known and I do not think that I am willing to let the government gamble with my life. So, even if I was offered the innoculation, I would turn it down and take my changes on the illness. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: " Suzanne " <suzshay@...> > I'm wondering about whether the risk remains high for those of us who > " successfully " had the inoculations when we were kids. Since we " survived " > the shots once, does it mean a second immunization will go okay too? I read > in today's paper that the is a small study being done on this very subject > as we speak. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. Of course, I'm > not sure the study includes people with compromised immune systems. > > Suzanne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2002 Report Share Posted December 16, 2002 Yes it is Suzanne. I just pray these vaccinations don¹t become necessary. I¹m a peace lover and wish the rest of the world was too. a > That's certainly going to be hard for any of us who work with the public! > > Suzanne > > > Re: [ ] Small Pox Vaccine > > > My understanding is that although they passed legislation that gives the > government authority to force anyone and everyone to take a vaccination, > President Bush stated it would be voluntary. > I don¹t think we have anything to worry about as far as it being mandatory. > Our biggest problem will be staying away from others that have been > vaccinated since they can pass the disease on to us. > a > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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