Study on use of rT3/T3 Ratio to Determine Hypothyroid Issues

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I was doing some research on Reverse T3 and found this online. It is an interesting study on the use of the ratio of rT3/T3 to determine if a patient has thyroid issues, and totally downplays the accepted use of TSH.http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/nss-folder/pictures/ReverseT3_BestMarkerforTissueThyroidLevels_7_7.pdfThought it might be of interest to the groups.Jeff

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Thanks so much, Jeff. I posted it to our Files section.

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> I was doing some research on Reverse T3 and found this online. It is

an interesting study on the use of the ratio of rT3/T3 to determine if

a patient has thyroid issues, and totally downplays the accepted use

of TSH.

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http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/nss-folder/pictures/ReverseT3_BestMarke\

rforTissueThyroidLevels_7_7.pdf

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> Thought it might be of interest to the groups.

> Jeff

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[Guest guest]

Oh, gosh, I'm so embarrassed. I just glanced at this and thought it

was the same person and same study. Please ignore my blunder. My

brain has not been reliable lately.

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> > No prob, , looked like something that someone could print and

> bring to their doctor to prove that TSH is not the way to determine if

> someone is hypothyroid, or has thyroid issues.

> > Jeff

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> > From: suuzin <suuzin@>

> > Subject: Re: Study on use of rT3/T3 Ratio to Determine

> Hypothyroid Issues

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> > Thanks so much, Jeff. I posted it to our Files section.

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My son's had his rT3 tested..but the lab didn't want to do T3, and T4..

they didn't think i needed these last 2 numbers. Told me T3,T4 was

obsolete..they did free T3 and Free t4 ...these numbers were

fine..toward the top of the range.

So the reverse t3 was a high..

Would anyone know if i should push for the T3, and T4 to be done..or

would the freet3/t4 be enough.? Tsh was also very good.

My son's doctor is among the few who knows about the t3/rt3

ratio..as my son's tsh has always been good..but he still told me he

wanted to watch his thyroid.. and asked for the t3/t4 and rt3.

My ds has autoimmune issues and his sister has hypo-t.

Thanks Jeff for sharing,

cathy

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> I was doing some research on Reverse T3 and found this online. It is

an interesting study on the use of the ratio of rT3/T3 to determine if

a patient has thyroid issues, and totally downplays the accepted use

of TSH.

>

>

http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/nss-folder/pictures/ReverseT3_BestMarke\

rforTissueThyroidLevels_7_7.pdf

>

> Thought it might be of interest to the groups.

> Jeff

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jeff,

I can get a bit confused reading all this medical stuff. I

understand better now. Sorry i do a good job confusing everyone with

my posts.

I have 3 family members autoimmune impaired that i'm advocating proper

medical care for... my kids finally have a doctor who knows what he is

doing..

Anyways, it is my daughter who is the one on thyroid meds..severe

goiter 1 year ago... son's thyroid is being watched by a wonderful

doctor..son is not on medication...yet...son is currently undergoing

chelation treatment for lead, arsenic..

And i will have #'s for my hubbies thyroid soon which i think isn't

working right.....but i dont have a doctor for hubby who knows what

the testing means, unless tsh is high ...I am thankful i have a doctor

willing to do testing for me/dh...and then i'll need to find a doc.

for hubby that knows what he is doing....

We would use the kids doctor to treat hubby also, but we cant afford

to pay him...just paying for the kids is a big financial burden for us

currently...we are canadian paying out of pocket an american doctor to

treat the kids...we are hoping with some testing results we can find a

free canadian doctor that can help hubby..

And also in case everyone is still confused..my daughter rachel

never did change to armour... she is currently taking the same

specially compound thyroid meds. made in Ohio... she wasn't intolerant

to her medication...her immune system is attacking her gut... she was

put on a medication called low dose naltrexone about 1 month ago

which cured her acid reflex in 7 days...and we so far are continuing

to so such wonderful improvements in her digestion...

thanks,

cathy

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> Hi ,

> From what i got from the article was that Serum T3 level was

less important then Free T3 and rT3, and the ratio of the two. From

the article, you want the Free T3 in the high rang, and the rT3 in the

low range. TSH of course, you want in the low range. From the article,

a High Serum T4 might indicate that the liver and thyroid are not

converting it to Ts, that is why the Free T and rT3 levels are so

important, they tell the story of what your body is actually doing

with the T4 that it is getting. If the rT3 was high, you are probably

goingto want to ask the doctor to have him take your sone off of

Armour for about 2 weeks, and on a T3 only med, like Cytomel, to get

the T4 and rT3 levels down, but keeping T3 in his system, until the

rT3 goes down. After about 2 weeks, I believe, he can go back on

Armour. Good luck.

> Jeff

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> Subject: Re: Study on use of rT3/T3 Ratio to Determine

Hypothyroid Issues

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> My son's had his rT3 tested..but the lab didn't want to do T3, and T4..

> they didn't think i needed these last 2 numbers. Told me T3,T4 was

> obsolete..they did free T3 and Free t4 ...these numbers were

> fine..toward the top of the range.

> So the reverse t3 was a high..

> Would anyone know if i should push for the T3, and T4 to be done..or

> would the freet3/t4 be enough.? Tsh was also very good.

> My son's doctor is among the few who knows about the t3/rt3

> ratio..as my son's tsh has always been good..but he still told me he

> wanted to watch his thyroid.. and asked for the t3/t4 and rt3.

> My ds has autoimmune issues and his sister has hypo-t.

>

> Thanks Jeff for sharing,

> cathy

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sol,

The original post by Jim can be found here:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thyroid/message/142164

You have to be a member to view it. I would have posted the message

here, but I didn't have the original poster's permission and didn't

think it proper to post it here.

-- In Thyroiditis , sol wrote:

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> Hey, ,

> I really liked your response, and hadn't read the original link yet,

> so didn't know you had mistaken the study. NOW, I need the email or

link

> that your response IS appropriate to, please.

> Don't worry about the error, I've done worse, LOL. But I am very

> sympathetic to your embarrassment, having embarrassed myself so very

often.

> hugs,

> sol

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sol,

Here is a link to the article, I believe, was referring to:

Dr. Guy Abraham's June 2008 article entitled: " Facts about Iodine and

Autoimmune Thyroiditis. "

http://www.clintpublications.com/documents/June_OI_2008_Pub.pdf

(Go to pages 75-76 or 17-18 of the pdf file)

The comment in question is in the first paragraph...

While reading Abraham's article it was obvious to me that Abraham

made a huge error when comparing a study strictly on hypERthyroidsim

patients with hypothyroid patients. He used this data to say the

(hyperthyroid) study proves: " Chronic iodine excess does not

apparently increase the risk of autoimmune thyroiditis. "

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that hypER and HyPO are two

different issues - Let's compare apples with apples. This appears to

be a misguided or deliberate attempt to twist and misrepresent the

studies while putting his reputation as an expert on iodine and

iodine therapy in question.

Here are links to the two studies that were referenced:

Yang: http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/full/156/4/403

Teng: http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/354/26/278

IMHO – Although, Dr. Abraham made a great error, I am living proof

that iodine can help a Hashi patient. First one needs to be iodine

deficient. Second if iodine is deficient look also for selenium

deficiency as well as zinc and/or copper shortage. I believe there

is sufficient evidence out there in the literature that shows the

thyroid needs both optimal levels of iodine and selenium to make

efficient thyroid hormones. Supplementing with one without the other

is unscientific, even harmful; yet many doctors don't know that or

don't see the connection as well as balancing zinc, copper and other

minerals.

**Note: I am not pro or con iodine. Iodine has helped some people

while on the other hand, there are people who are allergic and/or

just can't take because of sensitivities. I know about sensitivities

having them toward, soy, gluten and diary.**

I think that Dr Abraham is also wrong when he advocates that all

patients need 50 mg of Iodoral (iodine). I could only take 1 3/4,

currently taking only 1/2 of a tablet, (one tablet contains: 5 mg

iodine and 7.5 mg potassium iodide) which is a far cry from 50 mgs.

This is NOT a one-size-fits-all. If anyone is considering using

iodine, DO research and discuss it with your health provider.

My story – I stayed sick until I fixed my diet. My energy soared

after stopping gluten, but it even improved more on the Iodoral (and

other minerals). I also was able to reduce my Armour from 6 grains

to 3 three after fixing my gut, and later reduced it further -I am on

2.5 grains now. My moodiness, memory fog and chills disappeared

while my weight loss accelerated. My hair stopped falling out and it

went from course to silky soft with lots of body again; my dry

alligator skin improved immensely, too. I was so excited when I

noticed that my entire body's muscle and joint aches disappeared.

The edema and swelling have gone away and my gums no longer bleed.

My hubby was especially thrilled when I was the old me again.

The most astounding thing -I was in a skiing accident in 1988 that

injured my knees- I can now get through a day without taking pain

meds for my knees. In fact, my orthopedic doctor via my experience

(on T4 alone I deteriorated fast to being unable to walk) now

suggests to his arthritis patients to look into element/mineral

shortages, especially for iodine, selenium, zinc and/or copper. His

research showed that all of these can easily be depleted and it makes

sense to balance these minerals all together. In fact, he showed me a

study where a third world country was given iodine and the people

developed goiters, but these people were also very selenium

deficient. He concluded ALL mineral deficiencies need to be

addressed at the same time; otherwise your health could worsen, even

to the point of a new disease type forming.

BTW, Sol, did you ever get your high iron level down? If so, how?

HTH,

Bj

> > Hi Sol,

> > The original post by Jim can be found here:

> >

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thyroid/message/142164

> >

> > You have to be a member to view it. I would have posted the

message

> > here, but I didn't have the original poster's permission and

didn't

> > think it proper to post it here.

> >

> >

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