Dr. O: Thanks and new pearls...

[Guest guest]

Hi, happy members... Are your windows open? Flowers would like you to

smell them...

I need to remember many important points:

1) Selenium acts on immune cells but you have to go on T4 with selenium.

Selenium is not thyroid hormone. Se suppresses autoimmune war, saves

your thyrocytes. I've never read anything about migraine as a side

effect of selenium. Sorry. Are you sure it aggravates it? Or can it be

independent? I suggest you to use yeast free L-Selenomethionine. 200

microgram per day for at least 6 mo. It's success rate is 30% in 3 mo

and 50% in 6 mo. There are many intersting datas related to use of it in

pregnant AIT patients, in patients with vitiligo etc. AGAIN. You have to

go on taking thyroid hormone with Se. And check your TSH, FT3, FT4,

TPOAb, TgAb for 3 mo intervals.

2) Thyroid produces T4 (+ very little T3). Most of T3 is produced at the

target organs. It's (T3) life is very short. It's acts end within hours.

For this reason to use T3 is really difficult but it can be essential

rarely. Selenium has effect on conversion too. (Look at the articles

suggested before). It's really difficult to say if your body does not

convert T4 to T3. More than %99 of AIT patients, recombinant, safest,

purest T4 pills are sufficient and enough. I feel that most of patients

suffer from the inappropriate checking of their hormon levels. If you

use overdose, and someone say it is because of the brand name, prefer to

check your TSH, FT3, FT4. Unfortunatelly assurance system of USA

requires detection of not all of them. But TSH responses the alterations

in FT3, FT4 within months. Can you understand. So someone say you that:

" Do you see that your TSH is normal but you don't feel well " . Infact

your FT3 is two times of normal (may be). There are many mixed synthetic

tablets (T4+T3). But taking it causes small amplituded waves on bigger

ones. So resonance of them may cause quite large range of symptoms.

Armour is extract of pig thyroid. T4+T3+atigenic parts of the pig. No

superiority. Recombinant technology offers production of safest and

purest hormones. Other claims are all traditionall... You know... USA:

The land of opportunities...

3) Patient with hemorrage in her brain: Most of your problems is not

related to AIT. You must be monitored by a neurolog closely. I will pray

for you...

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Patient with hemorrage in her brain: Most of your problems is notrelated to AIT. You must be monitored by a neurolog closely. I will prayfor you...

Thanks for more information ,sorry ,I'n still learning ,Dr O you write about AIT what does this mean,I donot know ,please explain to me what you are talking about ,so I can further inderstand ,whay do I have,or is happening.

Thank you Deborah

Dr. O: Thanks and new pearls...

> > Hi, happy members... Are your windows open? Flowers would like you to> smell them...> > I need to remember many important points:> > 1) Selenium acts on immune cells but you have to go on T4 with selenium.> Selenium is not thyroid hormone. Se suppresses autoimmune war, saves> your thyrocytes. I've never read anything about migraine as a side> effect of selenium. Sorry. Are you sure it aggravates it? Or can it be> independent? I suggest you to use yeast free L-Selenomethionine. 200> microgram per day for at least 6 mo. It's success rate is 30% in 3 mo> and 50% in 6 mo. There are many intersting datas related to use of it in> pregnant AIT patients, in patients with vitiligo etc. AGAIN. You have to> go on taking thyroid hormone with Se. And check your TSH, FT3, FT4,> TPOAb, TgAb for 3 mo intervals.> > 2) Thyroid produces T4 (+ very little T3). Most of T3 is produced at the> target organs. It's (T3) life is very short. It's acts end within hours.> For this reason to use T3 is really difficult but it can be essential> rarely. Selenium has effect on conversion too. (Look at the articles> suggested before). It's really difficult to say if your body does not> convert T4 to T3. More than %99 of AIT patients, recombinant, safest,> purest T4 pills are sufficient and enough. I feel that most of patients> suffer from the inappropriate checking of their hormon levels. If you> use overdose, and someone say it is because of the brand name, prefer to> check your TSH, FT3, FT4. Unfortunatelly assurance system of USA> requires detection of not all of them. But TSH responses the alterations> in FT3, FT4 within months. Can you understand. So someone say you that:> "Do you see that your TSH is normal but you don't feel well". Infact> your FT3 is two times of normal (may be). There are many mixed synthetic> tablets (T4+T3). But taking it causes small amplituded waves on bigger> ones. So resonance of them may cause quite large range of symptoms.> Armour is extract of pig thyroid. T4+T3+atigenic parts of the pig. No> superiority. Recombinant technology offers production of safest and> purest hormones. Other claims are all traditionall... You know... USA:> The land of opportunities...> > 3) Patient with hemorrage in her brain: Most of your problems is not> related to AIT. You must be monitored by a neurolog closely. I will pray> for you...> > > > > > > > *Note: Information is freely exchanged on this board based on patient experiences, and should not be considered a medical recommendation. >

[Guest guest]

AIT is autoimmune thyroiditis (Hashimoto's thyroiditis). Please read

my mail posted before (lecture 1).

Best regards...

>

> Patient with hemorrage in her brain: Most of your problems is not

> related to AIT. You must be monitored by a neurolog closely. I will

pray

> for you...

> Thanks for more information ,sorry ,I'n still learning ,Dr O you

write about AIT what does this mean,I donot know ,please explain to

me what you are talking about ,so I can further inderstand ,whay do I

have,or is happening.

> Thank you Deborah

> Dr. O: Thanks and new pearls...

>

>

> >

> > Hi, happy members... Are your windows open? Flowers would like

you to

> > smell them...

> >

> > I need to remember many important points:

> >

> > 1) Selenium acts on immune cells but you have to go on T4 with

selenium.

> > Selenium is not thyroid hormone. Se suppresses autoimmune war,

saves

> > your thyrocytes. I've never read anything about migraine as a side

> > effect of selenium. Sorry. Are you sure it aggravates it? Or can

it be

> > independent? I suggest you to use yeast free L-Selenomethionine.

200

> > microgram per day for at least 6 mo. It's success rate is 30% in

3 mo

> > and 50% in 6 mo. There are many intersting datas related to use

of it in

> > pregnant AIT patients, in patients with vitiligo etc. AGAIN. You

have to

> > go on taking thyroid hormone with Se. And check your TSH, FT3,

FT4,

> > TPOAb, TgAb for 3 mo intervals.

> >

> > 2) Thyroid produces T4 (+ very little T3). Most of T3 is produced

at the

> > target organs. It's (T3) life is very short. It's acts end within

hours.

> > For this reason to use T3 is really difficult but it can be

essential

> > rarely. Selenium has effect on conversion too. (Look at the

articles

> > suggested before). It's really difficult to say if your body does

not

> > convert T4 to T3. More than %99 of AIT patients, recombinant,

safest,

> > purest T4 pills are sufficient and enough. I feel that most of

patients

> > suffer from the inappropriate checking of their hormon levels. If

you

> > use overdose, and someone say it is because of the brand name,

prefer to

> > check your TSH, FT3, FT4. Unfortunatelly assurance system of USA

> > requires detection of not all of them. But TSH responses the

alterations

> > in FT3, FT4 within months. Can you understand. So someone say you

that:

> > " Do you see that your TSH is normal but you don't feel well " .

Infact

> > your FT3 is two times of normal (may be). There are many mixed

synthetic

> > tablets (T4+T3). But taking it causes small amplituded waves on

bigger

> > ones. So resonance of them may cause quite large range of

symptoms.

> > Armour is extract of pig thyroid. T4+T3+atigenic parts of the

pig. No

> > superiority. Recombinant technology offers production of safest

and

> > purest hormones. Other claims are all traditionall... You know...

USA:

> > The land of opportunities...

> >

> > 3) Patient with hemorrage in her brain: Most of your problems is

not

> > related to AIT. You must be monitored by a neurolog closely. I

will pray

> > for you...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > *Note: Information is freely exchanged on this board based on

patient experiences, and should not be considered a medical

recommendation.

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Dr O,

Actually, my windows are closed as it is that time of year and my

husband so frowns on heating the outdoors. It was below freezing

here in the great Pacific Northwest this morning. Essentially we are

enjoying the flowers as the ones that didn't get frost bite are now

inside to us to enjoy. Thanks for caring...

Also, I appreciate the informative response. I am familiar, and hope

everyone else is too, that selenium is a mineral and have never, not

even for a minuscule second, mistaken it for thyroid replacement

hormone. I am sure many if not all members here know that supplements

are completely different and have unlike functions than hormones do.

We take selenium yeast free L-Selenomethionine. I get labs tests for

TSH, FT3, and FT4 every six to eight weeks and have for the last six

years, and TPOab and TGab are done bi-yearly. My initial reason to

use selenium was for its antioxidant protection against free radical

damage to the cells and found out later it helps conversion of the T4

into T3 and also possibly for a deficiency although not tested that

some thyroid patients are known to have. As stated I continually

have low FT3 levels and matching symptoms, even after dietary changes

started in June –September 28th labs show FT3 at 11% and FT4 at 65%

and TSH has come up from <.0001 to <.01. I will get new labs next

week. It will be interesting as to especially the FT4 level as I

have been cold, hair loss is really bad and brain fog has again come

to visit although not as severe as it once was.

T4 alone did not improve my FT3 levels, but it did make my symptoms

and quality of life very much worse -So bad, in fact, that I wanted

to be dead in 2002 as I was bed ridden, so I refuse to go back to how

I felt then when solely taking T4 thyroid replacement hormone, even

with selenium. I still have copies of all these labs and the ones on

T4 alone show an average TSH of .8, FT4 at 30% and FT3 below range

at -15%. With T3 added, I have been able to regain some quality of

life and get the FT's up. I have been told numerous times that I do

Not have reverse T3 issues as the blood tests are all normal at mid

range. In fact, the RT3 test is only ordered bi-yearly now.

Perhaps, I am the rare one, it took over six years and way to many

doctors to connect the puzzle pieces and find the gluten, and dairy

intolerances.

When I took Cytomel back in 2003, I took it every six hours, four

times a day since as you pointed out and my then doc knew it has a

short life span. Still the labs did not show significant improvement

nor did I feel much better and my lack of calcium and iron suffered.

I am very interested to know what happens to the T3 (or whatever) if

T4 does not convert it. As you can see, I did not over dose per

labs. I also have low/normal heart rate 65, blood pressure 94/63,

cholesterol 140, Triglycerides 72, glucose 68 levels, which is also

quite rare for a patient with Hashi's. Hypoglycemia has disappeared

since dietary changes, too. A concern my current doc has is that

the Alk Phos and ALT are still slightly elevated and says that it's

liver related, a year ago they were much higher, so hepatitis tests

were run and came back negative for all types. There is a possible

connection as the T4 to T3 conversion takes place in the liver. We

are also working on female sex hormones, as they are very poor and

unbalanced. The doc also wants the TSH up to at least .3 to prevent

bone loss, my bone density is excellent with a small loss of a 20th

of a percent (-.2), I am 43 years old.

Traditional medicine in America can be baffling. Opposite of what

you infer, I find traditional doctors only prescribe T4 (Synthroid or

Levoxyl) for thyroid patients and don't even know other T4 meds

exist. It is the alternative and non-traditional doctors that try

other ways. That is where I currently am. Likewise, I have found

traditional doctors mistakenly believe the American diet is all

right, except if you have Diabetes or have severe allergic

reactions.

Glad for the conversation.

Regards,

BJ

>

>

> Hi, happy members... Are your windows open? Flowers would like you

to

> smell them...

>

> I need to remember many important points:

>

> 1) Selenium acts on immune cells but you have to go on T4 with

selenium.

> Selenium is not thyroid hormone. Se suppresses autoimmune war, saves

> your thyrocytes. I've never read anything about migraine as a side

> effect of selenium. Sorry. Are you sure it aggravates it? Or can it

be

> independent? I suggest you to use yeast free L-Selenomethionine. 200

> microgram per day for at least 6 mo. It's success rate is 30% in 3

mo

> and 50% in 6 mo. There are many intersting datas related to use of

it in

> pregnant AIT patients, in patients with vitiligo etc. AGAIN. You

have to

> go on taking thyroid hormone with Se. And check your TSH, FT3, FT4,

> TPOAb, TgAb for 3 mo intervals.

>

> 2) Thyroid produces T4 (+ very little T3). Most of T3 is produced

at the

> target organs. It's (T3) life is very short. It's acts end within

hours.

> For this reason to use T3 is really difficult but it can be

essential

> rarely. Selenium has effect on conversion too. (Look at the articles

> suggested before). It's really difficult to say if your body does

not

> convert T4 to T3. More than %99 of AIT patients, recombinant,

safest,

> purest T4 pills are sufficient and enough. I feel that most of

patients

> suffer from the inappropriate checking of their hormon levels. If

you

> use overdose, and someone say it is because of the brand name,

prefer to

> check your TSH, FT3, FT4. Unfortunatelly assurance system of USA

> requires detection of not all of them. But TSH responses the

alterations

> in FT3, FT4 within months. Can you understand. So someone say you

that:

> " Do you see that your TSH is normal but you don't feel well " . Infact

> your FT3 is two times of normal (may be). There are many mixed

synthetic

> tablets (T4+T3). But taking it causes small amplituded waves on

bigger

> ones. So resonance of them may cause quite large range of symptoms.

> Armour is extract of pig thyroid. T4+T3+atigenic parts of the pig.

No

> superiority. Recombinant technology offers production of safest and

> purest hormones. Other claims are all traditionall... You know...

USA:

> The land of opportunities...

>

> 3) Patient with hemorrage in her brain: Most of your problems is not

> related to AIT. You must be monitored by a neurolog closely. I will

pray

> for you...

>