Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Welcome to the group. I think you are asking for Stan's Valtrex protocal. Below is something written by Stan. Someone else please chime in with his nasal MB12 protocal. Good luck! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- How to get started A simple strategy is to first decision about your antifungal strategy. Personally I believe the safest, simplest and most effective agents for this is using oral Diflucan, or Nizoral (and I sometimes mention amphotericin . They are very effective and they have a proven track record of safety to not be relatively non-toxic. Others opt to try naturals and some have success with products like Candex, or Caprilic Acid, Biotin, Grape Seed Extract (GSE) and a growing list of things that I will put in my introduction letter I will hopefully finish this weekend. Personally, if I was just getting started today, based on my personal philosophy of going what is most effective and not caring what the administration was, meaning I don't mind using a medicine as long as it's one that is science based, safe, proven, non-toxic, and effective, then I would start with either Diflucan or Nizoral (or my third choice Amphotericin . Additionally, there is recent research that shows that these medicines are helping a large set of our kids who have testosterone issues, and I won't get into the details in this post, but normalizing testosterone seems to be a major factor in lowering bacteria levels, raising glutathione levels and this activity may be a very important element of a good portion of our children's recovery. So bascially, IMO, you are safely covering two bases with one therapy. If you are one of those folks who wants to go all natural, and don't mind the risk that some of the naturals may not work as well for your child, then exploring the list of naturals may make sense to you. I feel we will come up with a list of naturals to use and figure out what works best for what child, but right now it's a bit of a trial and error scenario, but an important one because if we can figure it out it will save a lot of people money and headaches in dealing with doctors... Rx's etc. But, again... today if I was just getting started I would go with Diflucan or Nizoral. Next is the antiviral agent. After a lot of thinking... today I believe the place to start if you can afford it or have insurance is Valtrex. While we have seen gains with natural agents, we do not have more than handful of possible recoveries from them yet. Yes, we have a growing list of improvements, but comparatively I have 50 pages of children who have greatly improved or recovered from the use of Valtrex. My son being one of them. He continually improved on Valtrex and was off the spectrum in a matter of months. He was on Valtrex for a total of 9 months and has been free of any biomedical therapies for more than year now. And this was a metals toxic child with physical and behavioral impairments, so he not only recovered virally but he also detoxed and cleared his gut issues in a more natural way, through antiviral therapy. In the last few months we've confirmed that there is a metals dumping effect with Valtrex for at least some people, my son was one, we have test results of before and after on others. We also know that Valtrex modulated adenosine. Many of our kids have high or low adenosine levels and prior to Dr. Sid Baker publishing his study results about acyclovir and adenosine, we didn't have another therapy for this. Valtrex quickly converts into acyclovir, but the added values of Valtrex is that it is less toxic, more bioavailable and it crosses the blood brain barrier, which is where our kids often have inflammation, (according to the 's Hopkins study that came out last year and also mentioned recently in Time Magazine). Both Valtrex and the Naturals often result in what we call a healing-regression, which is a period of time when the child is healing but looks like they are regressing. It is similar to a die off effect, but at the same time we believe there is metals detox going on as well as immune system and metabolic restoration from the methylation changes and the lessening of the viral load. There also seems to be an increase in fungus during antiviral therapy and initially there is probably a kill off of this new fungus. The process is often greatly lessened by having the antifungal in place prior to starting the antiviral. This healing-regression typically lasts 20 to 40 days. Some folks also report never see a regression and only see gains... A SMALLER MINORITY of folks experience the regression for more than 40 days and folks in that situation often go to a lower dosage, take a break and return later, or possibly the best option move to another agent like Famvir or Acyclovir which seem to work more slowly and then try Valtrex again after a period of time. We've seen some nice posts from parents who worked through really difficult cases with this strategy and I applaud them. What you don't want to IMO, is try an agent like Famvir or Acyclovir first, because you may trigger the virus to mutate or build a bit of resistance (this is just my observation). Lastly, some of these folks who have had a healing regression longer than 40 days might move off of Valtrex at that point, switch to an Natural like OLE or Virastop for while and then move back to Valtrex (or try both) if their child doesn't have a full recovery with the Natural (which I have not seen a report of a recovery from a natural yet... although we've seen nice improvements). After the healing-regression and the typical gains we see thereafter, if you see consistent gains that look like you are recovery bound, like in the case of my son, I would not change anything. If you see gains and then a plateau, I would consider ADDING a natural like OLE. Then if you continue to see gains I would not change anything or I might try adding Virastop and seeing what happens. One you have this part of your viral strategy under control, the next step would be to consider therapies that flush out Measles virus, which include a two day High Dose Vitamin A trial, and then Lauricidin. The group (and hopefully your good DAN! doc) will help you with the nuances of each strategy, but I think this is a good framework to start with. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a PhD. but I do have the unique perspective of having the position of reading the thousands of posts and hundreds of trials from this group, and also of having a recovered child. Thank you for your question. It helped me clear up some of my thinking and I'll use some of this post in my framework for a "How to get started" document. Welcome, good luck, and keep us posted on your progress and questions. All the best, - Stan pixiesx2 wrote: Hi! We are new to this group and this is my first time posting. My name is and my husband is . We have three kids Josh 12, Kaitlyn and Kayleigh 5 y.o. twins both diagnosed with ASD. We have been doing some Biomed intervention with the girls such as supplements, TD-DSM, B12 injections, and started the GFCF diet. It has been 1 year since we've last seen our DAN Dr. Due to our battle with the school (Due Process) I've yo-yo'd with everything. I have currently gotten back on track giving them some supplements (I have not started the Nystatin again or B12 injections) and I have reimplemented the GFCF diet. I did add GSE to their supplements and continue to give Probiotics. We are definitely interested in trying the Valtrex and Nasal B12 and I have contacted our DAN to do a telephone conference (he lives 3 hours away in TX we are in OK) since currently we do not have the extra funds to do an in office visit. I want to be as prepared for our telephone conference but I also want to have the correct protocol in place to start the Valtrex and MB12 spray. My husband is pushing me to start the Nystatin in the mean time until/if our DAN will prescribe Difulcan or Nizoral. With twins and currently an in home therapy program my time is limited to reading all the archives for direction and ideas. 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Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Hi . My DAN doctor is in Dallas, we are in San , and he would not perscribe the Valtrex due to tests coming out negative for virals. I have read recently that virals can hide, but I'm not sure yet if I want to try it. I have Herpes and have always suspected my son has it. Anyway, we are currently chelating with suppositories and have just recently found a doctor here that does the Calcium EDTA IV's, so we hope to start them soon. We just finished a heavy metals urine test to make sure he's still dumping lead and mercury. We've done Nystatin and Nizoral and both seemed to work well, so I think if you have it - do it. The doctor can always give you a different one if you want. I would definitely get them on supra-nuthera, or another great vitamin mix. What is GSE? I'm always looking for new ideas as well. My son is 4 and a half, so - God bless you!! Lastly, I've tried different probiotics and I haven't found one that hasn't made my son very hyper. Maybe it's the dosage I'm doing wrong. Stacie Where to begin? Hi! We are new to this group and this is my first time posting. My name is and my husband is . We have three kids Josh 12, Kaitlyn and Kayleigh 5 y.o. twins both diagnosed with ASD. We have been doing some Biomed intervention with the girls such as supplements, TD-DSM, B12 injections, and started the GFCF diet. It has been 1 year since we've last seen our DAN Dr. Due to our battle with the school (Due Process) I've yo-yo'd with everything. I have currently gotten back on track giving them some supplements (I have not started the Nystatin again or B12 injections) and I have reimplemented the GFCF diet. I did add GSE to their supplements and continue to give Probiotics. We are definitely interested in trying the Valtrex and Nasal B12 and I have contacted our DAN to do a telephone conference (he lives 3 hours away in TX we are in OK) since currently we do not have the extra funds to do an in office visit. I want to be as prepared for our telephone conference but I also want to have the correct protocol in place to start the Valtrex and MB12 spray. My husband is pushing me to start the Nystatin in the mean time until/if our DAN will prescribe Difulcan or Nizoral. With twins and currently an in home therapy program my time is limited to reading all the archives for direction and ideas. I would appreciate your help!! Thanks so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Stacie, where is the dr that does Ca-EDTA IV's? thanks, Where to begin? Hi! We are new to this group and this is my first time posting. My name is and my husband is . We have three kids Josh 12, Kaitlyn and Kayleigh 5 y.o. twins both diagnosed with ASD. We have been doing some Biomed intervention with the girls such as supplements, TD-DSM, B12 injections, and started the GFCF diet. It has been 1 year since we've last seen our DAN Dr. Due to our battle with the school (Due Process) I've yo-yo'd with everything. I have currently gotten back on track giving them some supplements (I have not started the Nystatin again or B12 injections) and I have reimplemented the GFCF diet. I did add GSE to their supplements and continue to give Probiotics. We are definitely interested in trying the Valtrex and Nasal B12 and I have contacted our DAN to do a telephone conference (he lives 3 hours away in TX we are in OK) since currently we do not have the extra funds to do an in office visit. I want to be as prepared for our telephone conference but I also want to have the correct protocol in place to start the Valtrex and MB12 spray. My husband is pushing me to start the Nystatin in the mean time until/if our DAN will prescribe Difulcan or Nizoral. With twins and currently an in home therapy program my time is limited to reading all the archives for direction and ideas. I would appreciate your help!! Thanks so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 > > Hi! We are new to this group and this is my first time posting. My > name is and my husband is . We have three kids Josh > 12, Kaitlyn and Kayleigh 5 y.o. twins both diagnosed with ASD. > We have been doing some Biomed intervention with the girls such as > supplements, TD-DSM, B12 injections, and started the GFCF diet. It > has been 1 year since we've last seen our DAN Dr. Due to our battle > with the school (Due Process) I've yo-yo'd with everything. I have > currently gotten back on track giving them some supplements (I have > not started the Nystatin again or B12 injections) and I have > reimplemented the GFCF diet. I did add GSE to their supplements and > continue to give Probiotics. We are definitely interested in trying > the Valtrex and Nasal B12 and I have contacted our DAN to do a > telephone conference (he lives 3 hours away in TX we are in OK) > since currently we do not have the extra funds to do an in office > visit. I want to be as prepared for our telephone conference but I > also want to have the correct protocol in place to start the Valtrex > and MB12 spray. My husband is pushing me to start the Nystatin in > the mean time until/if our DAN will prescribe Difulcan or Nizoral. > With twins and currently an in home therapy program my time is > limited to reading all the archives for direction and ideas. I > would appreciate your help!! Thanks so much! > Based on my experience on this group, diflucan and /nizoral are more effective than Nystatin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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