Re: Time To Wake Up

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In a message dated 01/17/2000 9:50:34 AM Atlantic Standard Time,

Kwpapke@... writes:

> But as our climate changes all our lives could change Big Time. I think we

> are getting close to a global awareness, and ultimately action, towards

preventing > total ruination of the planet. But I think things will have to

get a little worse yet.

> People will have to start dying in noticeably large numbers from drought

and

> starvation, then we will act.

Hi Kurt, All,

Unfortunately white people would have to start dying in large numbers before

anybody noticed. Millions of people are dying from hunger in Africa,

Indonesia, Korea and many other Third World nations even as we speak. They

are expecting another deadly drought in Ethiopia within the next few years

and predict as many as six million people will die. This time however, the

leaders of that country have swallowed their pride and gone to the UN to ask

for help before it comes to pass. That is really hopeful.

I have this feeling that now with the new millennium we will be moving away

from such a strong focus on individual achievement and " taking care of our

own, " into a more group conscious mode of being. Perhaps that is just

wishful thinking but I seem to see some early signs. Still, we remain in a

deep collective denial of the problems we've created on our little planet

with our clinging to short term satisfaction and lack of insight and concern

for the larger picture. We count too much on technological advances to pull

us out of the environmental crisis but turn a blind eye to the suffering we

cause with our myopic vision. I worry a great deal about the disappearance of

species, of other beings with whom we share this planet and think it is the

height of hubris on our part to believe that we are the only life form that

matters here.

I think we will continue in our destructive behavior until we learn to care,

until we get it that we are interconnected in the web of life, and until

finally it will break our collective heart to be cutting down thousand year

old trees or turning the rain forests into grazing ground for Mc's, and

taking away the habitat from thousands of song birds. The disappearing

species are a part of us. Would we were wise enough to see that we are losing

parts of ourselves, beautiful, expressions of our collective Soul.

With metta,

Suzanne

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Unfortunately, it will probably take some cataclysm on the world stage to

force us all out of our denial and into a dramatic and needed lifestyle. The

only example I can think of in recent experience was Pearl Harbor in 1941. I

think most thinking people knew that war was coming and that great sacrifices

had to be made, but preferred to remain isolationist as the free nations of

Europe and Asia succumbed one by one to the Axis powers. Let me be more

blunt: Hitler and Tojo were telegraphing their intentions from the early

1930s. We could have stopped the horror right then, easily. But no, we had

to play " stupid " until war sucked us in, when it was almost too late.

Anyway, after Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt's dramatic speech the next

day, Bataan, and all the rest that happened over a few weeks time, the

American people pulled together as a collective and made the sacrifices,

curtailed our lifestyles, and did make the other necessary changes.

In the world today, disaster doesn't hit us all at once. It's nibbling away

at our forests, streams, and atmosphere. Some of us are conscious but the

rest are asleep. The politicians and the developers here for example are

gobbling up our land and water resources because there seems to be so much.

We're forced to get into our cars and drive for miles to get anywhere or do

anything because everything is so spread out. True the Metroplex has mass

transit. But here in what used to be the boondocks, we're inundated with

traffic, air pollution, etc., because few people are able to confront the

land-grabbers and developers without getting sued.

There are a few exceptions. One example- the people of Plano, just north of

Dallas stood fast against Wal-Mart recently and prevented it from building a

huge super-center in their neighborhood. But Wal-Mart says it will be back,

with lawsuits, if necessary.

So nothing will stop the present trend until something happens on a dramatic

scale and we have national leaders who have the courage to stand up to it and

truly lead us to a new consciousness like Roosevelt did.

It was a bit easier then than now, I grant. Most people already had been

enduring hardship through the Great Depression. Now, we are so comfortable

(except for the almost invisible poor) that it may take something worse than

World War II to take us away from our cars, rambling residences, green grassy

lawns that serve no useful perpose and require lots of water and pollute the

atmosphere.

I noticed how Y-2-K preparations gave us a little taste of this. Perhaps it

would have been better if all the systems had failed and we had been forced

to a simpler way of life for a while.

I can't do much anymore except wait and hope and write diatribes like the

above.

Cheers!

Gene Baker

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In a message dated 01/17/2000 11:23:42 AM US Eastern Standard Time,

OldMrGrace@... writes:

<< I

think most thinking people knew that war was coming and that great

sacrifices

had to be made, but preferred to remain isolationist as the free nations of

Europe and Asia succumbed one by one to the Axis powers. Let me be more

blunt: Hitler and Tojo were telegraphing their intentions from the early

1930s. We could have stopped the horror right then, easily. But no, we had

to play " stupid " until war sucked us in, when it was almost too late. >>

Hi Jung-Fire folks,

Yes, I agree with Gene here that we often have an inkling that something is

amiss on the grand scale before we are motivated (or forced by dint of world

events) to finally engage those psychic forces which are brewing below the

collective surface of things. An even more dramatic example of what you have

stated above was evident in the mid thirties, when Jung himself finally

became so alarmed about the events in Germany. These are available for all

to read (and I suggest many will want to as an example of how Jung tried to

motivate public opinion about the cataclysmic forces unleashed within the

German psyche) by reading his 1936 Wotan essay (CW-10). It was little known

and even littler read at the time, unfortunately. In it he described, most

prophetically, what would surely be the outcome to the world if it did not

wake up and see what was going on (PSYCHOLOGICALLY) between Hilter and the

German people. As he said, " A hurricane has been unleashed in Germany and we

think it all is balmy weather. " He knew the train wreck was coming, but

couldn't wake up the world to the dangers he could so clearly see. It wasn't

until after W.W.II, in his " After the Catastrophe " that he was looked back on

the whole experience as an object lesson of how we ignore archetypal volcanos

at our collective peril. I commend these to your reading and study. So what

psychic hurricanes are brewing as we enter the 21st century?

Greg