Guest guest Posted April 14, 2001 Report Share Posted April 14, 2001 Shirley, This sounds like an allergic reaction. Comedogenic reactions typically do not occur overnight. Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products www.kylabs.com Allergic Reaction Hi, I'm new and was just going over the last few digests. Cheryl, you talked about the difference between a comedogenic agent and an allergic reaction. My daughter used a shampoo with an fo in it and the next morning she was covered in a red rash. In some areas, the bumps were full of pus, especially in her hairline. Which reaction would this be? Thanks Shirley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2001 Report Share Posted April 14, 2001 Hi Shirley, Well, I am persuaded that this would fall into the allergic reaction category, because first of all, these bumps/pustules errupted in the hairline and quite quickly, too. Comedogenic properties occur as a product accumulates in the pores. This usually takes time, and repeated use. Think of cocoa butter being used in facial soap...it deposits a wee little bit of itself in the pores, then a little more, and so on until you have pores that are clogged, enlarged, and producing blemishes. The allergen of course, for your daughter has already been removed, but it wouldn't hurt to rinse the child's head with plain c o o l water again. I don't feel comfortable making recommendations beyond this for children, or adults for that matter, when a reaction is present. I'm a nurse, also, and in my intermediate care days, the motto was, " when in doubt, send 'em out. " So, if you are in any way worried, a physician's attention might be the only recommendation beyond this that I could offer. I sure do hope that all subsides spontaneously in a short time, as many of these types of reactions will. Let me know, k? Will keep your little girl in thought and hope she will be able to enjoy the holiday -- you too! Cheryl Allergic Reaction > Hi, I'm new and was just going over the last few digests. > > Cheryl, you talked about the difference between a comedogenic agent and an allergic reaction. My daughter used a shampoo with an fo in it and the next morning she was covered in a red rash. In some areas, the bumps were full of pus, especially in her hairline. Which reaction would this be? > > Thanks > Shirley > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2001 Report Share Posted April 16, 2001 Thank you , Cheryl for your help. I took her to my doctor and he's sending her to an allergist later this week. In the meantime, a steroid cream for the rash and antihistamines for the itching. She does have a history of sensitivity to commercial products, which is why I began soaping in the first place. But nothing like this. She's used the shampoo base without problems so I'm blaming the fo. Since you are the experts, what might be in the fo that could produce this? I have no idea what chemicals are involved in fo's. It was coconut from Sweetcakes. Thank you Shirley btw, thanks for the info on cocoa butter, didn't know it could accumulate in the pores and cause blemishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2001 Report Share Posted April 16, 2001 what might be in the fo that could produce this? I think maybe may be able to answer this one. Probably, it is what the allergist will determine with testing, but I don't really know the ingredients in FO's Cheryl > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2001 Report Share Posted April 16, 2001 Shirley, Fragrances are very complex mixtures of many different aromatic compounds. People can be sensitized and therefore allergic to any number of these materials and it would be impossible to tell you what your daughter may have been exposed to and therefore allergic to. The dermatologist or allergist will perform a patch test on your daughters back to look for sensitization reactions to different materials. You can help the doctor by providing a sample of the fragrance used in your product. If the fragrance is indeed responsible then you will need to eliminate that fragrance from your product for your daughter to use. It is highly unlikely that the fragrance supplier will provide a patch test kit to the doctor to determine the specific aroma chemical responsible for your daughter's allergy. When you consider that many fine fragrances use 90 or more ingredients you can see the enormity of this project. Young KY Labs Innovators of Fine Personal Care Products www.kylabs.com Fw: Allergic Reaction Thank you , Cheryl for your help. I took her to my doctor and he's sending her to an allergist later this week. In the meantime, a steroid cream for the rash and antihistamines for the itching. She does have a history of sensitivity to commercial products, which is why I began soaping in the first place. But nothing like this. She's used the shampoo base without problems so I'm blaming the fo. Since you are the experts, what might be in the fo that could produce this? I have no idea what chemicals are involved in fo's. It was coconut from Sweetcakes. Thank you Shirley btw, thanks for the info on cocoa butter, didn't know it could accumulate in the pores and cause blemishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 The following is the standard mixture used to test for fragrance allergies. Taken from SCCNFP/0017/98. alfa-amyl cinnamic aldehyde (= amyl cinnamal) 1% cinnamic alcohol (=cinnamyl alcohol) 1% cinnamic aldehyde (=cinnamal) 1% eugenol 1% geraniol 1% hydroxycitronellal 1% isoeugenol 1% oak moss (a natural extract) 1% sorbitan sesquioleate (added as an emulsifier) 5% Dave E > what might be in the fo that could produce this? > > I think maybe may be able to answer this one. Probably, it is what > the allergist will determine with testing, but I don't really know the > ingredients in FO's Cheryl > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 Thank you, for the info. I was thinking fo's are more simplified in their makeup and it wouldn't be difficult to isolate the culprit. Shirley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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