Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 Re: Re: OT: terrorism (funny) >> We have to have security or we have loss of life. Lets get down to >> the nitty gritty: do you want to be on the flight or one of your >> loved ones --where they miss someone with intent to kill, because >> we want to criticise the needed security? I read somewhere that 34,000 people in the US die per year from the flu. A lot more than that die from smoking, and 2nd hand smoke in homes. So, is it time to implement martial law to enforce flu shots and ban cigarettes? People chose to smoke and eat " bad " food, and flu shots don't protect you from all flu strains (besides it's a bacteria (virus?) not a person intent on killing). I think we should try to stop murderous people from killing even if it's just a " a fraction of people " as you put it. You make it sound like it's okay that some people are killed by terrorists because it's just a fraction. I think someone directly affected might not think it was okay. Michele Terrorist attacks are nasty and create fear, but at their best they kill only a fraction of the people being killed by bad food, drunk drivers, and all that other " acceptable risk " stuff we take for granted. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 But doesn't the govt already focus tons on diseases? They are obviously going in the wrong direction, but focusing on terrorism doesn't mean that there aren't already monies being thrown in other directions. I just think it's wrong to say don't focus on terrorism because it's only affecting a few people, but focus on diseases only. The focus on disease has just seemed to cause more disease. I don't know what the answer to that is, but not stopping terrorist isn't going to cure people's bad eating habits. I agree (with someone can't remember who) that govt should stay out of the eating habits business. But I do want them to protect us from murderous invaders. Okay, I can lighten up, but I didn't have anyone killed on 9/11 either. Michele Re: Re: OT: terrorism (funny) >> We have to have security or we have loss of life. Lets get down to >> the nitty gritty: do you want to be on the flight or one of your >> loved ones --where they miss someone with intent to kill, because >> we want to criticise the needed security? I read somewhere that 34,000 people in the US die per year from the flu. A lot more than that die from smoking, and 2nd hand smoke in homes. So, is it time to implement martial law to enforce flu shots and ban cigarettes? People chose to smoke and eat " bad " food, and flu shots don't protect you from all flu strains (besides it's a bacteria (virus?) not a person intent on killing). I think we should try to stop murderous people from killing even if it's just a " a fraction of people " as you put it. You make it sound like it's okay that some people are killed by terrorists because it's just a fraction. I think someone directly affected might not think it was okay. Michele Terrorist attacks are nasty and create fear, but at their best they kill only a fraction of the people being killed by bad food, drunk drivers, and all that other " acceptable risk " stuff we take for granted. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 I said her comment " made it sound like it was okay " that only a few people died. I didn't say that was what she meant, it just comes off that way. I'm not attacking Heidi, the comment just sounded a little cold, even if she was trying to put it into perspective. Sure there are lots of things that " so far " kill more people. Hey, I understand the politics, every guy that gets pulled over for speeding thinks the cops should be out stopping the " real " criminals, but the top three causes of car accidents and the most deaths are caused by (in probably the wrong order) speed, following too close, and (I think) not yielding the right of way. But that doesn't mean we should stop drunk drivers. Tons more people are killed every year driving than in airplanes (I mean unintended crashes, I " m not referring to terrorists attacks here[not that that is more either]) but that doesn't mean we shouldn't find ways to stop airplane crashes. A person's sense of priority and perception can also be based on how imminent the threat is. Some may think it's less of a threat, some may think it's more. I think it's the govt job to protect citizens from what I perceive as an imminent threat. I'm not a sheeple following main stream media, I feel like my views are more on the fringe each passing day. Michele Re: OT: terrorism (funny) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ People chose to smoke and eat " bad " food, and flu shots don't protect you from all flu strains (besides it's a bacteria (virus?) not a person intent on killing). I think we should try to stop murderous people from killing even if it's just a " a fraction of people " as you put it. You make it sound like it's okay that some people are killed by terrorists because it's just a fraction. I think someone directly affected might not think it was okay. > > Michele @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Heidi was clearly not saying it's okay; she was admitting the awfulness but placing it in perspective. The numbers and facts speak for themselves. Our sense of priority and perception of significance is deeply perverted by corporate media. What we hear about (or are bombarded by in some cases) is what we think is important; what we are not told about we don't even think about at all. There are probably dozens of issues that only fringe folks have an awareness of but whose ramifications are thousands of times more serious than anything brought to our attention by corporate media. In certain health-related matters, many people on this list would be fringe folks with realizations completely off the map of our culture- at-large. Michele, I think you were attacking a straw man by referring to something tragic and those directly affected. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 I agree with you, it's getting worse and worse, and many people just follow along. I'm on the fringe now that I don't anymore. All fat is bad, they will manufacture fat for us to eat (in small amounts, of course). All meat is bad, carbs are good and sugar we just won't mention because too many people are making money off it. Michele Re: Re: OT: terrorism (funny) >> We have to have security or we have loss of life. Lets get down to >> the nitty gritty: do you want to be on the flight or one of your >> loved ones --where they miss someone with intent to kill, because >> we want to criticise the needed security? I read somewhere that 34,000 people in the US die per year from the flu. A lot more than that die from smoking, and 2nd hand smoke in homes. So, is it time to implement martial law to enforce flu shots and ban cigarettes? People chose to smoke and eat " bad " food, and flu shots don't protect you from all flu strains (besides it's a bacteria (virus?) not a person intent on killing). I think we should try to stop murderous people from killing even if it's just a " a fraction of people " as you put it. You make it sound like it's okay that some people are killed by terrorists because it's just a fraction. I think someone directly affected might not think it was okay. Michele Terrorist attacks are nasty and create fear, but at their best they kill only a fraction of the people being killed by bad food, drunk drivers, and all that other " acceptable risk " stuff we take for granted. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 -----Well, I know, it's a little late now for hoping for that. The more I learn about nutrition, the farther I am from what " they " say is good . Michele I agree in some theoretical utopian sense, but the fact is that gov **can't** stay out of the eating-habits business unless they stay out of the corporate-regulation business or information-regulation business, complete impossibilities within our current social structures or any variants of them possible in our lifetimes. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 It's all about fake food now, fake sweetener, fake fat, fake milk (the super-de-duper pasteurized stuff), fake bread (made with soy). Everything is " low " , low-fat, low in sugar, low carb, meat substitute. It's like there's nothing left to actually feel like your eating. I wonder what will happen to the people who eat low carb, low fat, low meat, low sugar, will they just keel over one day? Re: Re: OT: terrorism (funny) >> We have to have security or we have loss of life. Lets get down to >> the nitty gritty: do you want to be on the flight or one of your >> loved ones --where they miss someone with intent to kill, because >> we want to criticise the needed security? I read somewhere that 34,000 people in the US die per year from the flu. A lot more than that die from smoking, and 2nd hand smoke in homes. So, is it time to implement martial law to enforce flu shots and ban cigarettes? People chose to smoke and eat " bad " food, and flu shots don't protect you from all flu strains (besides it's a bacteria (virus?) not a person intent on killing). I think we should try to stop murderous people from killing even if it's just a " a fraction of people " as you put it. You make it sound like it's okay that some people are killed by terrorists because it's just a fraction. I think someone directly affected might not think it was okay. Michele Terrorist attacks are nasty and create fear, but at their best they kill only a fraction of the people being killed by bad food, drunk drivers, and all that other " acceptable risk " stuff we take for granted. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 Also, you can buy fake cream. I used to on the suggestion of my mil. I really hated all that stuff. I finally decided I wanted flavor, then I found out that it was actually better for me???? (But I am on the fringe i think i saw a low fat cream the other day to. that kinda made me laugh _____ From: and Michele [mailto:ctr24845@...] Sent: Monday, 10 November 2003 4:49 PM Subject: Re: Re: OT: terrorism (funny) I agree with you, it's getting worse and worse, and many people just follow along. I'm on the fringe now that I don't anymore. All fat is bad, they will manufacture fat for us to eat (in small amounts, of course). All meat is bad, carbs are good and sugar we just won't mention because too many people are making money off it. Michele Re: Re: OT: terrorism (funny) >> We have to have security or we have loss of life. Lets get down to >> the nitty gritty: do you want to be on the flight or one of your >> loved ones --where they miss someone with intent to kill, because >> we want to criticise the needed security? I read somewhere that 34,000 people in the US die per year from the flu. A lot more than that die from smoking, and 2nd hand smoke in homes. So, is it time to implement martial law to enforce flu shots and ban cigarettes? People chose to smoke and eat " bad " food, and flu shots don't protect you from all flu strains (besides it's a bacteria (virus?) not a person intent on killing). I think we should try to stop murderous people from killing even if it's just a " a fraction of people " as you put it. You make it sound like it's okay that some people are killed by terrorists because it's just a fraction. I think someone directly affected might not think it was okay. Michele Terrorist attacks are nasty and create fear, but at their best they kill only a fraction of the people being killed by bad food, drunk drivers, and all that other " acceptable risk " stuff we take for granted. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 Seriously, I am speaking as a person who is forced to fly on a regular basis and DOES think about this stuff. I am not being cavalier about the risk, or not intentionally anyway. -- Heidi Ok, well, my point was that we have lots of things that statitically doesn't seem so bad, we are just more worried about them, like airplanes. Driving is soooo much more dangerous (I'm not even talking about drunk drivers here) My dh was asleep last night, now he's gone, but if he were here I could give you the actual statistics. Anyway, I think it is the gov job to defend and protect the nation, and I think terrorist will keep attacking on our soil and off. I realize people are just going to disagree with me. Hopefully it own't get worse, hopefully heart attacks and cancer will keep killing us and we can all feel safe [hehe tongue in check there] Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 There is a coffee creamer that my mil was buying and using in place of cream. It was like no fat cream. Michele RE: Re: OT: terrorism (funny) How about " low-fat half and half " ? Haven't seen it for a while but it was on restaurant tables around here a while back. Judith Alta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 There is the good nutrition approach to good health and then there is the scalpel-big-weapon-drug-company approach. A wise person uses simple nutritional methods for good health and is grateful for the high tech emergency ward when appropriate. With security of the United States there is the tempered approach of being a good neighbor and treating people with respect I don't think you can take any argument and apply the same way of dealing with them all. You can be a good neighbor and treat people with respect but if they grow up being taught to hate you they still want to turn you into ferterlizer. Terrorist don't want to kill only the " mean " Americans they don't mind killing all the ones protesting the war on terror either. They just don't care about anything but their warped, twisted beliefs. I just can't get on the media bandwagon of " let's try to understand the terrorists and why they did this, we must be doing something wrong if they don't like us " . They will kill the good, well-meaning Americans (or people of any other country) just as quickly as they will kill the ones with bad gov policies. Michele or the blaming-badass-biggun--interfere-invade-kill freedoms approach. It just seems like countless US governments have had the same paradigm about governing and security as the general population has had about good health and the use of drugs. Interfere inappropriately, throw the system out of balance and then bring in the big guns and then whine! Laurel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 Yea, that's the stuff. It's so great, almost like the real thing, only better. Michele Re: Re: OT: terrorism (funny) In a message dated 12/10/03 11:13:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, ctr24845@... writes: > There is a coffee creamer that my mil was buying and using in place of > cream. It was like no fat cream. Oh, do you mean Cofee Mate? I've been trying to reduce my intake of saturated fat lately in an effort to prevent heart disease and cancer (I'm getting older, and will be 22 in several weeks), so I picked this up because it seemed to be high in a variety of nutrients that I've been otherwise, in my estimation, lacking in my diet, such as partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, soybean and canola oil, aluminum (in the highly absorbable form of sodium aluminosilicate), artificial flavors, and colorings. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 I never said anything about martial law. I just support doing something to stop terrorism as opposed to doing little or nothing. Michele Re: Re: OT: terrorism (funny) Several responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 marshall law and " harsh " measures have not WORKED. ---Yea, I never mentioned the marshall law thing. That came from someone elses comment. Over and over again in history, some group gets upset, starts waging low-level war ( " terrorism " to the other side). The bigger side gets harsher and harsher and usually loses. Witness the revolution of 1776, for instance. Or the " war on drugs " . Or the crackdown on Christians by the Romans. ---Hmm, these groups were all terrorists??? What HAS worked historically are: 1. Espionage/detective work 2. Preventative measures 3. Propaganda 4. Statesmanship ---- I " m all for that too One reason there were no big terrorist attacks during the Clinton era was a lot of #1. ----Gee, I wish I had more time to respond to this one and have this discussion. There were terrorist attacks during Clinton, and he didn't nothing, and then we had 9/11, etc. Clinton didn't respond with force and things escalated. Like I said, I just don't have the time to get into this and give good responses (I hate to say things without info to back it up). I just think stopping Saddium Hussien and whoever is next is a good idea. [sorry for the lame excuse, having 7 kids I homeschool does make it pretty hard for me to do what I really want: play on the computer and discuss politics ] Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 Didn't I put a smiley face after?? <G> It's totally gross. But my in-laws like fake food. Michele RE: Re: OT: terrorism (funny) I hope you are kidding! Ever read the ingredient list? Judith Alta -----Original Message----- Yea, that's the stuff. It's so great, almost like the real thing, only better. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: ChrisMasterjohn@... .. Oh, do you mean Cofee Mate? I've been trying to reduce my intake of saturated fat lately in an effort to prevent heart disease and cancer (I'm getting older, and will be 22 in several weeks), so I picked this up because it seemed to be high in a variety of nutrients that I've been otherwise, in my estimation, lacking in my diet, such as partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, soybean and canola oil, aluminum (in the highly absorbable form of sodium aluminosilicate), artificial flavors, and colorings. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 Hey now, I didn't say I don't care or that I don't know or that I don't spend lots of spare time listening, reading, learning, studying these things. I only said I don't have time to make sure I'm not spouting a bunch of half truths over the email. I have lots of opinions but I'm not going to say a bunch of stuff with " I heard it somewhere " . Not accusing anyone, I just am big on citing sources when I say something. I used to drive my dh crazy with " where did you hear that " . Michele >Like I said, I just don't have the time to get into this and give good responses (I hate to say things without info to back it up). I just think stopping Saddium Hussien and whoever is next is a good idea. [sorry for the lame excuse, having 7 kids I homeschool does make it pretty hard for me to do what I really want: play on the computer and discuss politics ] Unfortunately, that is the boat most Americans are in ... no time to research so whatever the gov't is doing must be a good idea. The fact we PUT Saddam into power in the first place and gave him plenty of weapons says something about the gov'ts ability to make good decisions! Maybe one of your homeschool research studies should be " how to keep tabs on the gov't and what to do when they are on the wrong track " . -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 Message from New York's Kennedy airport today: An individual later discovered to be a school teacher was arrested trying to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a setsquare, a slide rule, and a calculator. At a morning press conference, Attorney general Ashcroft said he believes the man is a member of the notorious al-gebra movement. He is being charged by the FBI with carrying weapons of math instruction. " Al-gebra is a fearsome cult, " Ashcroft said. " They desire average solutions by means and extremes, and sometimes go off on tangents in a search of absolute value. They use secret code names like " x " and " y " and refer to themselves as " unknowns " , but we have determined they belong to a common denominator of the axis of medieval with coordinates in every country. " As the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to say, there are 3 sides to every triangle, " Ashcroft declared. When asked to comment on the arrest, President Bush said, " If God had wanted us to have better weapons of math instruction, He would have given us more fingers and toes. " I am gratified that our government has given us a sine that it is intent on protracting us from these math-dogs who are willing to disintegrate us with calculus disregard. Murky statisticians love to inflict plane on every sphere of influence, " the President said, adding: " Under the circumferences, we must differentiate their root, make our point,and draw the line. " President Bush warned, " These weapons of math instruction have the potential to decimal everything in their math on a scalene never before seen unless we become exponents of a Higher Power and begin to factor-in random facts of vertex. " Attorney General Ashcroft said, " As our Great Leader would say, read my ellipse. Here is one principle he is uncertainty of: though they continue to multiply, their days are numbered as the hypotenuse tightens around their necks. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 I am sending this to all my friends right now. Tom > > Message from New York's Kennedy airport today: An individual > later discovered to be a school teacher was arrested > trying to board a flight while in possession of a > ruler, a protractor, a setsquare, a slide rule, and a calculator. > > At a morning press conference, Attorney general > Ashcroft said he believes the man is a member of the > notorious al-gebra movement. He is being charged by > the FBI with carrying weapons of math instruction. > > " Al-gebra is a fearsome cult, " Ashcroft said. " They > desire average solutions by means and extremes, and > sometimes go off on tangents in a search of absolute > value. They use secret code names like " x " and " y " and > refer to themselves as " unknowns " , but we have > determined they belong to a common denominator of the > axis of medieval with coordinates in every country. > > " As the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to say, there > are 3 sides to every triangle, " Ashcroft declared. > > When asked to comment on the arrest, President Bush > said, " If God had wanted us to have better weapons of > math instruction, He would have given us more fingers > and toes. > > " I am gratified that our government has given us a > sine that it is intent on protracting us from these > math-dogs who are willing to disintegrate us with > calculus disregard. Murky statisticians love to > inflict plane on every sphere of influence, " the > President said, adding: " Under the circumferences, we > must differentiate their root, make our point,and draw > the line. " > > President Bush warned, " These weapons of math > instruction have the potential to decimal everything > in their math on a scalene never before seen unless we > become exponents of a Higher Power and begin to > factor-in random facts of vertex. " > > Attorney General Ashcroft said, " As our Great Leader > would say, read my ellipse. Here is one principle he > is uncertainty of: though they continue to multiply, > their days are numbered as the hypotenuse tightens > around their necks. " > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 In a message dated 12/8/03 9:12:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, ringaroundthemoon@... writes: > I think it may even be time to declare martial law, something Lincoln did > during the civil war. But that may come after another attack, rather than > before. And I think this is preposterous. No, I don't want to be on a flight with my loved ones and die. The purpose of the document was humor, primarily the consistent substitution of mathematical terms. I would expect one to find it funny regardless of their political views. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 >Attorney General Ashcroft said, " As our Great Leader >would say, read my ellipse. Here is one principle he >is uncertainty of: though they continue to multiply, >their days are numbered as the hypotenuse tightens >around their necks. " That made my day ... thanks! -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 > > It makes me wonder how much time is left to joke about terrorism??? I hope we're joking right up to the minute the bomb hits. Humor is an indispensable aid in dealing with the pain that life brings us. > If I was on the flight that the man with explosives in socks was > caught just in time I would not find this subject all that funny. > > We have to have security or we have loss of life. Lets get down to > the nitty gritty: do you want to be on the flight or one of your > loved ones --where they miss someone with intent to kill, because > we want to criticise the needed security? You're letting yourself be ruled by fear. I'd much rather take some risks than lose more of our freedom. Life always involves some risks. That's unavoidable. > I think it may even be time to declare martial law, something > Lincoln did during the civil war. But that may come after another > attack, rather than before. There's absolutely no justification for declaring martial law at this time. Personally I would regard such a move by the government as a ploy to infringe further upon our freedoms, and feel it my moral duty to resist it. The greatest thing about the U.S. system is that it was founded on the principle that one's _own_ government is always the greatest threat to one's personal freedom, and must be kept in check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2003 Report Share Posted December 9, 2003 In a message dated 12/9/03 1:30:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, heidis@... writes: > I read somewhere that 34,000 people in the US die per year from > the flu. A lot more than that die from smoking, and 2nd hand smoke > in homes. So, is it time to implement martial > law to enforce flu shots and ban cigarettes? Terrorist attacks > are nasty and create fear, but at their best they kill only > a fraction of the people being killed by bad food, drunk > drivers, and all that other " acceptable risk " stuff we take > for granted. Heidi, The most dangerous things in this country which lead to hospitalizations and clearly should be eliminated as the abominations they are are 1) stairs, 2) pillows, 3) nails, screws, and tacs, and 4) books. And all these leftists are whining about civil rights and how the poor have to live in apartment complexes. I say you're either with us, or you're with the two-floor terrorists. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2003 Report Share Posted December 9, 2003 I think it may even be time to declare martial law, something Lincoln did during the civil war. But that may come after another attack, rather than before. ********************** Talk about extremism! Yowza! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2003 Report Share Posted December 9, 2003 >> We have to have security or we have loss of life. Lets get down to >> the nitty gritty: do you want to be on the flight or one of your >> loved ones --where they miss someone with intent to kill, because >> we want to criticise the needed security? I read somewhere that 34,000 people in the US die per year from the flu. A lot more than that die from smoking, and 2nd hand smoke in homes. So, is it time to implement martial law to enforce flu shots and ban cigarettes? Terrorist attacks are nasty and create fear, but at their best they kill only a fraction of the people being killed by bad food, drunk drivers, and all that other " acceptable risk " stuff we take for granted. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2003 Report Share Posted December 9, 2003 Heidi, I will second that in capital letters! Judith Alta -----Original Message----- >> We have to have security or we have loss of life. Lets get down to >> the nitty gritty: do you want to be on the flight or one of your >> loved ones --where they miss someone with intent to kill, because >> we want to criticise the needed security? I read somewhere that 34,000 people in the US die per year from the flu. A lot more than that die from smoking, and 2nd hand smoke in homes. So, is it time to implement martial law to enforce flu shots and ban cigarettes? Terrorist attacks are nasty and create fear, but at their best they kill only a fraction of the people being killed by bad food, drunk drivers, and all that other " acceptable risk " stuff we take for granted. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2003 Report Share Posted December 9, 2003 I will third that in bold caps and a larger font! Similar logic applies to the regulatory nonsense about raw milk, etc when compared to the health blights due to trans fats and most junk foods. And it also applies to pointless, trivial issues like capital punishment that people make a fuss about as an excuse to vent their personal ideologies. Mike @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ --- In , " Judith Alta " <jaltak@v...> wrote: > Heidi, > > I will second that in capital letters! > > Judith Alta > > -----Original Message----- > > > >> We have to have security or we have loss of life. Lets get down to > >> the nitty gritty: do you want to be on the flight or one of your > >> loved ones --where they miss someone with intent to kill, because > >> we want to criticise the needed security? > > I read somewhere that 34,000 people in the US die per year from > the flu. A lot more than that die from smoking, and 2nd hand smoke > in homes. So, is it time to implement martial > law to enforce flu shots and ban cigarettes? Terrorist attacks > are nasty and create fear, but at their best they kill only > a fraction of the people being killed by bad food, drunk > drivers, and all that other " acceptable risk " stuff we take > for granted. > > -- Heidi > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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