Guest guest Posted December 28, 2000 Report Share Posted December 28, 2000 I really don't know whose " work " this is, or why it is on this list.I would imagine whoever wrote it got it from somewhere else. it is definitely derivative and not very deep. How awful to feel that one is a slave to " the system " If there is happiness, joy and fulfillment on this earth, like sadness deapair and pain, it comes from within us. No sense blaming others, the system or the world. In a sense we really do " make our own reality " We are not Pavlov's dogs or Skinner's rats. We, not someone " out there " give meaning to our lives " Workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains. " Think I've hears that someplace before???? Of course there are people in modern society who work only for the money. It is a sad fact that " a job well done " is often hard to see. The people work, no one forces them to. It is in man's nature to work, that is his creativity, and attempt often to put meaning in his life. No one started the " reward system " It is purely a natural , economic, cultural system which we have elected to chose. Those who must work on stultifying jobs are often happy for the " mindlessness " of the work, others do not have the skills or perhaps the ambition and drive to get them. Your understanding of corporate structure leave a lot misunderstood. The guy who molds the steel, does he design the car, do his marketing skills help him understand what the customer wants? Does he understand the engineering, the economic markets, and the financial. / No, workers can not run corporations. If they had all those skills, they would start their own corporation, or work for others still expressing their own creativity. Not everyone can be a " boss " Those of us who have had others working for them did not " dole " them out . We hired the best qualified for the job. A good course in economics, and markets might help here. Democracy in the workplace??? Shall we vote on how to design the best engine? What to sell the car for? As a librarian I selected the books the public library would buy. Instead of the needs of the public I served, and the reviews of the books, and my educated opinion, should we have a vote for each book by the the clerks, and the technicians who also worked for the library? Most workers want above all to be productive members of society. That is work...it is not a prison , where the starving are forced to suffer, so King Midas can sort his riches. The worse thing about the writer of this essay is that he/she feels a victim. We do have some measure of control over our lives, and our emotions, feelings and sensibility. We can decide how to view life on earth. We can decide what stance to take to the good and the bad. We are not robots, we are not victims of a system. Change the system, and the same people are still its victims. Victim hood is a state of mind. No one else can " make " you miserable, misunderstood,undervalued, and without joy. You do it to yourself. If the writer were my student, i would send the paper back. There would be red marks all over it, for sloppy logic, and ignorance on the large overall view of today's reality. Karl Marx said it before and he said it better. The dictatorship of the proletariat is where you are going. You are free to go where you will, but you need to understand where you are coming from. Envy, rage and victim hood stand at the end of this path and at its beginning. This is not to say, that we have the best of all possible worlds either. teBlipBland@... wrote: > Let's start a revolution: > We need to spread democracy to the workplace. As it > stands now, workers don't elect their bosses, but > serve under dictatorship. It is time for workers of a > company to elect those who have authority over them, > especially their direct superiors. Anyone within the > company could run. Our ultimatum will be: adopt democracy in > your workplace, or you will not survive. > So lets get started. Add to this message. > > To have a reward > system, you have to have a reward. So a major cost to > a reward system, is that some group has to sacrifice > to produce the reward. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2000 Report Share Posted December 30, 2000 Dear Blip, I hear the Ted Kaczynski cabin is for sale for $25.00. Perhaps you can get a government grant to purchase it and work on your manifesto there in seclusion! In the case that you want to heed the good advice from Toni and take an economics course, might I suggest a professor from Mason University by the name of Walter E. ? You might even want to visit his website at www.gmu.edu/departments/economics.He has a really good article called 'Self-imposed Starvation' that you might take a gander at to balance out your repertoire. This type of stuff really does not belong on a Jungian type of list. If you have a website where those who are interested in your opinions can visit, please feel free to post it. A Quote: " A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collaspes over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. " Professor Tytler over 200 years ago. Just something to think about. Toni Priest wrote: > > I really don't know whose " work " this is, or why it is on this list.I would > imagine whoever wrote it got it from somewhere else. it is definitely > derivative and not very deep. > How awful to feel that one is a slave to " the system " If there is > happiness, joy and fulfillment on this earth, like sadness deapair and > pain, it comes from within us. No sense blaming others, the system or the > world. In a sense we really do " make our own reality " We are not Pavlov's > dogs or Skinner's rats. We, not someone " out there " give meaning to our > lives > > " Workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains. " > Think I've hears that someplace before???? > > Of course there are people in modern society who work only for the money. > It is a sad fact that " a job well done " is often hard to see. The people > work, no one forces them to. It is in man's nature to work, that is his > creativity, and attempt > often to put meaning in his life. No one started the " reward system " It is > purely a natural , economic, cultural system which we have elected to > chose. Those who must work on stultifying jobs are often happy for the > " mindlessness " of the work, others do not have the skills or perhaps the > ambition and drive to get them. > > Your understanding of corporate structure leave a lot misunderstood. The > guy who molds the steel, does he design the car, do his marketing skills > help him understand what the customer wants? Does he understand the > engineering, the economic markets, and the financial. / No, workers can > not run corporations. If they had all those skills, they would start their > own corporation, or work for others still expressing their own creativity. > > Not everyone can be a " boss " Those of us who have had others working for > them did not " dole " them out . We hired the best qualified for the job. > A good course in economics, and markets might help here. Democracy in the > workplace??? Shall we vote on how to design the best engine? What to sell > the car for? As a librarian I selected the books the public library would > buy. Instead of the needs of the public I served, and the reviews of the > books, and my educated opinion, should we have a vote for each book by the > the clerks, and the technicians who also worked for the library? Most > workers want above all to be productive members of society. That is > work...it is not a prison , where the starving are forced to suffer, so > King Midas can sort his riches. > > The worse thing about the writer of this essay is that he/she feels a > victim. We do have some measure of control over our lives, and our > emotions, feelings and sensibility. We can decide how to view life on > earth. We can decide what stance to take to the good and the bad. We are > not robots, we are not victims of a system. Change the system, and the same > people are still its victims. Victim hood is a state of mind. No one else > can " make " you miserable, misunderstood,undervalued, and without joy. You > do it to yourself. > > If the writer were my student, i would send the paper back. There would be > red marks all over it, for sloppy logic, and ignorance on the large > overall view of today's reality. Karl Marx said it before and he said it > better. The dictatorship of the proletariat is where you are going. You are > free to go where you will, but you need to understand where you are coming > from. Envy, rage and victim hood stand at the end of this path and at its > beginning. > This is not to say, that we have the best of all possible worlds either. > teBlipBland@... wrote: > > > Let's start a revolution: > > We need to spread democracy to the workplace. As it > > stands now, workers don't elect their bosses, but > > serve under dictatorship. It is time for workers of a > > company to elect those who have authority over them, > > especially their direct superiors. Anyone within the > > company could run. Our ultimatum will be: adopt democracy in > > your workplace, or you will not survive. > > So lets get started. Add to this message. > > > > To have a reward > > system, you have to have a reward. So a major cost to > > a reward system, is that some group has to sacrifice > > to produce the reward. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2001 Report Share Posted January 13, 2001 BlipBland, We do not ask that people " prove themselves " to gain membership here, but it is generally considered polite to at least tell us your name! fa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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