Re: Fwd: The Rapture+

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Dear Alice,

At 09:20 PM 11/24/99 EST, you wrote:

>In a message dated 11/24/99 10:48:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,

>dwatkins@... writes:

>

><< interesting that you decry both materialism *and* fundamentalism -

> fundamentalist Christianity, whatever its faults may be, is not

> materialistic and is opposed to materialistic philosophy. Indeed, it seems

> to me that the tremendous rise in the cultural power of fundamentalist

> Christianity *is itself* the large scale compensation for excessive

> materialism in our culture.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Dan Watkins >>

>

>i took Deb's words as meaning literalistic - to take things ONLY literally

>is a form of idolatry or limiting things to 1st 2 chakras. avatars spoke in

>parables so that they cld reveal more symbolically thru intuition. But as u

>move up the elevator of the chakras u can run into a dilemma of levels.

>

>freud was abs right but got stuck at the bottom:} adler got to the 3rd

>w/power n jung went from 4 on up. so this is how people can be right n wrong

>at the same time! this is the secret revealed by the caduceus of Hermes -

>mercury the trickster. those 2 serpents spiral n criss-cross, so A on one

>level on the left is on the right on next n B is vice-versa.

>

>this was Noll's prob in his bks on jung. he took jung literally wh j was

>speaking symbolically.

>

>even the term fundamental means au fond - at ground level. they don't hear

>dt paul's 'when i was a child, i spoke as a child etc.'

>

>the whole rapture notion is an enormous collective inflation

>, it seems to me. the mystery that created us is the only one that can

>destroy us. to think that WE can decide is putting humanity above nature n

we

>are only a small % of earth. Buddha says that we need to hang in there till

>the very last sentient being realizes enlightenment. we have a way to go!

Indeed - the Christians I know, though, think that the raputure that they

anticipate is from God rather than from themselves.

>

>as i have said before those who attribute all our psyche to be mere physical

>phenomena in the brain are voicing opinions therefore that have no value

>since they arise merely fr their own brains. HA! i believe that is a

>tautology ?

LOL - ues.

>

>whitmont used to say that most of what jung wrote was 'double-bottomed' i.e.

>veiled. i like to joke that the Self speaks Latin n Greek! if u observe,

>greatest ideas cluster around these interjections.

Didn't follow you here - which interjections? (Jung's use of Latin and

Greek quotations?)

>

>as to the founding fathers - read past Gnosis mag on the enormous esoteric

>input of their thinking n the number of them who had belonged to the same

>esoteric group in england. a lot of it was Christian - there wasn't anything

>else around! it was who founded rhode island as a place for

>people of ALL faiths to feel secure. the prob ab NO religion in public educ

>is that it forces all education to be extraverted i personally think we shld

>have a minute of SILENCE. as a teacher, i know that most kids will not use

it

>for reflection but it sets up a habit nevertheless. n i think we shld sing

>hannukah songs/carols/n afro etc songs to celebrate seasons n explain diff

>ways people have of honoring the unknown Source,

Also, to eject religion is just tacitly to make a god of matter.

>

>i taught fr 18 yrs in priv schools n kids were fascinated n loved to discuss

>n question n voice their own beliefs. i was inspired by a totally

forgotten 2

>bks by A. Bronson ALCOTT, fr of emerson et al. n it was prnted in 1836 n i

>edited it n it was recently reprinted as HOW LIKE AN ANGEL CAME I DOWN

>[lindisfarne press] pb amazon.com.

>

>i am too tired to write more now, but the book reads like a play bec eliz

>peabody transcribed verbatim what the kids said - boys/girls 5-12 yrs old.

>unbelievable wisdom! phoebe, u wld love it! blurb by Cole; intro by

> .

>

>BEDTIME!

>

>HAPPY T'DAY ALL

>

>THE OLDE LADY

>

Thanks for the response.

Best regards,

Dan