Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Hi, I pretty much follow a metabolic typing diet for myself (I'm a protein type fast oxidizer). I don't use supplements in the form of vitamins but use GOL's green drink, and use CLO. Krill oil and butter oil daily. I also just gave birth to my 5th baby 9 days ago and didn't take any vitamins (just used the butter oil, CLO, Krill and green drink.) Elainie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 ---> are you taking 1 Tablespoon or did you mean teaspoon? Just curious. *********************************** Lynn, I take it in a large teaspoon--I don't really measure, but its probably about 2 teaspoons worth (if I were to measure it with measuring spoons). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 In a message dated 1/8/04 2:06:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, heidis@... writes: > >Probably the only nutritional idea you'll need to be healthy is to > >avoid foods manufactured by large corporations. When you think about > >what that wipes out and what it leaves, it's pretty profound. > > That thought right there is awfully profound. What constitutes " large " ? Eden seems to be pretty big, and I think their soy sauce is a fantastic product-- fermented for 2 years. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 >Probably the only nutritional idea you'll need to be healthy is to >avoid foods manufactured by large corporations. When you think about >what that wipes out and what it leaves, it's pretty profound. That thought right there is awfully profound. Good post! -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 In a message dated 1/8/04 7:41:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, anthony.byron@... writes: > Simple reason is Money. I know many ppl who are really money hungry and do > not care about health. How does acquiring money conflict with health? It is my understanding there are some people on this list who make a lot of money. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 In a message dated 1/8/04 8:29:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, anthony.byron@... writes: > They lie to u to keep their $$ going, their investments in other areas > leading to ill health ect ect. But everyone making very high-quality products are doing it for money too. Many people making organic food wouldn't be doing it if there weren't people willing to pay three times the price for it. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 The population will never smarten up. Simple reason is Money. I know many ppl who are really money hungry and do not care about health. Unfortunate but it's the sad truth and its just so well imbedded now. _____ From: Joe [mailto:jzbozzi@...] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Nutrition 101 I buy quite a few things from large corporations if its a good product. Example, cascadian farms frozen berries I think are very good quality, owned by General Mills. Organic Valley is gettin pretty big pretty fast too. In fact I hope as people become more aware and start to demand better food more large companies will sell more good food. Once you become a certain size you can take advantage of things like economies of scale to make good food less expensive. I believe food technology will be used in a good way once the populations smartens up. -Joe > In a message dated 1/8/04 2:06:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, > heidis@t... writes: > > > >Probably the only nutritional idea you'll need to be healthy is to > > >avoid foods manufactured by large corporations. When you think about > > >what that wipes out and what it leaves, it's pretty profound. > > > > That thought right there is awfully profound. > > What constitutes " large " ? Eden seems to be pretty big, and I think their soy > sauce is a fantastic product-- fermented for 2 years. > > Chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Yes that is it. The lies are for $$$$$$$. They lie to u to keep their $$ going, their investments in other areas leading to ill health ect ect. Its not a conspiracy as many ppl think. Its simply a money marygoround fuled by lies and deceipt. _____ From: Joe [mailto:jzbozzi@...] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Nutrition 101 I disagree. I think the health problem in industrialized countries is more a lack of knowledge rather than a lack of desire. Look at the rapid growth f the organic industry. So many people really want to eat right, but they get so much conflicing info from the " experts " they just give up. All lies die with time. -Joe > The population will never smarten up. > > Simple reason is Money. I know many ppl who are really money hungry and do > not care about health. > > > > Unfortunate but it's the sad truth and its just so well imbedded now. > > > > > > _____ > > From: Joe [mailto:jzbozzi@y...] > Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 10:35 AM > > Subject: Re: Nutrition 101 > > > > I buy quite a few things from large corporations if its a good > product. Example, cascadian farms frozen berries I think are very > good quality, owned by General Mills. Organic Valley is gettin > pretty big pretty fast too. In fact I hope as people become more > aware and start to demand better food more large companies will sell > more good food. Once you become a certain size you can take > advantage of things like economies of scale to make good food less > expensive. I believe food technology will be used in a good way once > the populations smartens up. > > -Joe > > > > --- In , ChrisMasterjohn@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/8/04 2:06:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > heidis@t... writes: > > > > > >Probably the only nutritional idea you'll need to be healthy is > to > > > >avoid foods manufactured by large corporations. When you think > about > > > >what that wipes out and what it leaves, it's pretty profound. > > > > > > That thought right there is awfully profound. > > > > What constitutes " large " ? Eden seems to be pretty big, and I > think their soy > > sauce is a fantastic product-- fermented for 2 years. > > > > Chris > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Dunno if we will last that long in our current state lol. I don't think man was meant for industrialization, working 9-5 with mass pressures ect. _____ From: Joe [mailto:jzbozzi@...] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Nutrition 101 Yes, true. But I think there is something else going on that allows people to lie and get away with it. I don't think we have yet learned how to live as an industrialized society. isolated groups such as those studied by Price must have refined their diets and traditions over many generations to fit their environment. I think we are going through the same thing now. Its will take time for us to adapt and understand our new environment. Just as humans nature can lead someone to take advantage of people out of their own self interest, it also leads people to look after their own and childrens' welfare out of their own self interest. It just takes time to change and learn. -Joe > > > In a message dated 1/8/04 2:06:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > heidis@t... writes: > > > > > > > >Probably the only nutritional idea you'll need to be healthy > is > > to > > > > >avoid foods manufactured by large corporations. When you > think > > about > > > > >what that wipes out and what it leaves, it's pretty profound. > > > > > > > > That thought right there is awfully profound. > > > > > > What constitutes " large " ? Eden seems to be pretty big, and I > > think their soy > > > sauce is a fantastic product-- fermented for 2 years. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 I don't see how anyone can adapt to a low-fat diet that is all but guaranteed to create sickness. I agree it's not a conspiracy, but greed that turns the wheels. Judith Alta -----Original Message----- Yes, true. But I think there is something else going on that allows people to lie and get away with it. I don't think we have yet learned how to live as an industrialized society. isolated groups such as those studied by Price must have refined their diets and traditions over many generations to fit their environment. I think we are going through the same thing now. Its will take time for us to adapt and understand our new environment. Just as humans nature can lead someone to take advantage of people out of their own self interest, it also leads people to look after their own and childrens' welfare out of their own self interest. It just takes time to change and learn. -Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Acquiring money conflicts with health when people create an inexpensive product that contains little or no nutrition and advertise it heavily as being " healthy. " An excellent example was the commercial that I heard today promoting Cheerios as " heart healthy. " Judith Alta -----Original Message----- In a message dated 1/8/04 7:41:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, anthony.byron@... writes: > Simple reason is Money. I know many ppl who are really money hungry and do > not care about health. How does acquiring money conflict with health? It is my understanding there are some people on this list who make a lot of money. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 There is nothing wrong with making a profit on quality items of any kind. That is the kind of business that turns the wheel. Where it goes bad is when companies cut corners to make their product as cheaply as possible, advertise it as if it were essential to life and health and charge exorbitant prices for it. The trouble is the food companies have the blessings of the U.S. Government in promoting their nearly useless products. And partly because those same companies spend huge sums on getting politicians elected. Judith Alta Re: Re: Nutrition 101 In a message dated 1/8/04 8:29:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, anthony.byron@... writes: > They lie to u to keep their $$ going, their investments in other areas > leading to ill health ect ect. But everyone making very high-quality products are doing it for money too. Many people making organic food wouldn't be doing it if there weren't people willing to pay three times the price for it. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Not u personally aquiring it per se more than other people forgoing your health and well being to make themselves a $$. _____ From: ChrisMasterjohn@... [mailto:ChrisMasterjohn@...] Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Re: Nutrition 101 In a message dated 1/8/04 7:41:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, anthony.byron@... writes: > Simple reason is Money. I know many ppl who are really money hungry and do > not care about health. How does acquiring money conflict with health? It is my understanding there are some people on this list who make a lot of money. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 In a message dated 1/8/04 11:07:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, jaltak@... writes: > Acquiring money conflicts with health when people create an inexpensive > product that contains little or no nutrition and advertise it heavily as > being " healthy. " Judith, said that he didn't believe people would ever wake up because too many are busy acquiring money. I took that to mean that they were too busy acquiring money to buy good food for themselves, which doesn't make sense to me. Money can be acquired by producing good products as well. And, in fact, if the food industry was guided purely by the self-interested pursuit of money, we'd all be vastly better off. Unfortunately, it is in large part guided by the " public interest, " which has brought us regulations that destroyed family farms, regulations that pushed raw milk out of the stores, and subsidies to prevent the economy from failing and to keep " jobs " for people that give undue market leverage to select large corporations at the expense of their competitors. Chris ______ Judith wrote: >Where it goes bad is when companies cut corners to make their product as >cheaply as possible, advertise it as if it were essential to life and health >and charge exorbitant prices for it. No one has to buy it. The crap food at the supermarket is generally vastly cheaper than real food. You can get chicken for $1/lb at the supermarket, or you can buy pastured chicken for $4/lb in my area. When I've been with a group of people who " get it " and " don't get it " mixed together, the people who don't get it, when you explain it, say, " why don't you just buy the $1/lb chicken at the supermarket " ? Companies sell what people will buy. Chris _____ >Not u personally aquiring it per se more than other people forgoing your >health and well being to make themselves a $$. , How does forgoing health lead to an easier time acquiring money? It seems all the people who have money eat healthier than people who don't, because they can afford it-- so pursuing money should lead to a healthier lifestyle. Chris _______ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 If food companies had any " public interest " at heart they would not put out the garbage that they do. People eat the junk because it is heavily promoted as " healthy " and because it is quick and easy. And if you take a good look at the " regulations " you will find that they regulate in favor of the food industry. Those regulations you mention are put in place so that cheap " food " can be marketed under less stringent sanitary and handling practices. If the food companies were allowed to be guided purely by money the " food " they produce would be far worse than it is now. The food companies, along with and especially the patent drug and medical industries, know full well that to promote, or to allow the promotion of, whole, unprocessed foods would likely mean their end. Already the bakeries are complaining that the low carb lifestyles are " cheating " them out their profits. Judith Alta -----Original Message----- In a message dated 1/8/04 11:07:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, jaltak@... writes: > Acquiring money conflicts with health when people create an inexpensive > product that contains little or no nutrition and advertise it heavily as > being " healthy. " Judith, said that he didn't believe people would ever wake up because too many are busy acquiring money. I took that to mean that they were too busy acquiring money to buy good food for themselves, which doesn't make sense to me. Money can be acquired by producing good products as well. And, in fact, if the food industry was guided purely by the self-interested pursuit of money, we'd all be vastly better off. Unfortunately, it is in large part guided by the " public interest, " which has brought us regulations that destroyed family farms, regulations that pushed raw milk out of the stores, and subsidies to prevent the economy from failing and to keep " jobs " for people that give undue market leverage to select large corporations at the expense of their competitors. Chris ______ Judith wrote: >Where it goes bad is when companies cut corners to make their product as >cheaply as possible, advertise it as if it were essential to life and health >and charge exorbitant prices for it. No one has to buy it. The crap food at the supermarket is generally vastly cheaper than real food. You can get chicken for $1/lb at the supermarket, or you can buy pastured chicken for $4/lb in my area. When I've been with a group of people who " get it " and " don't get it " mixed together, the people who don't get it, when you explain it, say, " why don't you just buy the $1/lb chicken at the supermarket " ? Companies sell what people will buy. Chris _____ >Not u personally aquiring it per se more than other people forgoing your >health and well being to make themselves a $$. , How does forgoing health lead to an easier time acquiring money? It seems all the people who have money eat healthier than people who don't, because they can afford it-- so pursuing money should lead to a healthier lifestyle. Chris _______ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 ChrisMasterjohn wrote -- << said that he didn't believe people would ever wake up because too many are busy acquiring money. I took that to mean that they were too busy acquiring money to buy good food for themselves, which doesn't make sense to me.>> ~~~ it could also be taken to mean that people who acquire money are more interested in keeping as much of it or spending it on what THEY value which might be everything except what they consider to be, expensive food... those same people might not have the knowledge nor wish to know, how 'taxing' their cheap and abundant food is on the environment, other peoples' livelihoods or even their own future health... Dedy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Chris- This so-called " public interest " should be written exactly as you did -- in quotes. In the vast majority of cases, including the pasteurization of dairy, it's a pretext, nothing more. Dairy pasteurization, factory farming, grain feeding, etc., is ALL done purely in the self-interested pursuit of money. And before you go blaming government, the self-interested pursuit of money will ALWAYS lead people to lie and propagandize whether there's any government around or not. I'm not saying there shouldn't be plenty of self interest, just that the self-interested pursuit of money is something of a double-edged sword, and if we don't recognize that, we'll be forever getting cut. >And, in fact, if >the food industry was guided purely by the self-interested pursuit of money, >we'd all be vastly better off. >Unfortunately, it is in large part guided by the > " public interest, " which has brought us regulations that destroyed family >farms, regulations that pushed raw milk out of the stores, and subsidies to >prevent the economy from failing and to keep " jobs " for people that give >undue >market leverage to select large corporations at the expense of their >competitors. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Yeah that was my bad chris I worded that wrong ehehhe :-) _____ From: ChrisMasterjohn@... [mailto:ChrisMasterjohn@...] Sent: Saturday, 10 January 2004 12:36 AM Subject: Re: Re: Nutrition 101 In a message dated 1/8/04 11:07:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, jaltak@... writes: > Acquiring money conflicts with health when people create an inexpensive > product that contains little or no nutrition and advertise it heavily as > being " healthy. " Judith, said that he didn't believe people would ever wake up because too many are busy acquiring money. I took that to mean that they were too busy acquiring money to buy good food for themselves, which doesn't make sense to me. Money can be acquired by producing good products as well. And, in fact, if the food industry was guided purely by the self-interested pursuit of money, we'd all be vastly better off. Unfortunately, it is in large part guided by the " public interest, " which has brought us regulations that destroyed family farms, regulations that pushed raw milk out of the stores, and subsidies to prevent the economy from failing and to keep " jobs " for people that give undue market leverage to select large corporations at the expense of their competitors. Chris ______ Judith wrote: >Where it goes bad is when companies cut corners to make their product as >cheaply as possible, advertise it as if it were essential to life and health >and charge exorbitant prices for it. No one has to buy it. The crap food at the supermarket is generally vastly cheaper than real food. You can get chicken for $1/lb at the supermarket, or you can buy pastured chicken for $4/lb in my area. When I've been with a group of people who " get it " and " don't get it " mixed together, the people who don't get it, when you explain it, say, " why don't you just buy the $1/lb chicken at the supermarket " ? Companies sell what people will buy. Chris _____ >Not u personally aquiring it per se more than other people forgoing your >health and well being to make themselves a $$. , How does forgoing health lead to an easier time acquiring money? It seems all the people who have money eat healthier than people who don't, because they can afford it-- so pursuing money should lead to a healthier lifestyle. Chris _______ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 well, about hybriding, i'd suggest heritage breeds. a heritage breed is something that's generally not-hybrided, or if it is hybrided, it was done a long time ago and left that way. for example, we keep shetland sheep, which were once thought extinct and which now are just off the endangered list. clearly, these sheep are not hybrided, unless the vikings did it there are heritage breeds of fruits, vegetables, and animals, and if you ask around you'll find many people are pretty into it. all of our animals are heritage (except the mule ), and our veggies are too. that combined with all the different active soil love, and i think our nutrient content is pretty high. personally, i like that better than supplements At 07:16 PM 1/14/2004, you wrote: >2. Concerning supplements, one view is that since hybriding has >reduced the nutritional content of food in order to extend shelf >life one needs to supplement to adjust for it, otherwise you wind up >consuming too many calories to meet nutritional needs. I would >assume this hybriding affects organic as well as conventional >produce. So even though some NT preparation techniques improve >nutrient content in some cases, it seems that we would still never >be getting the same nutritional value out of our apples, carrots, >etc. as compared to the apples, carrots, etc. of our ancenstors. >Comments? atg technical support support@... 1-800-RING ATG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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