Re: Insuin resistance

[Guest guest]

Chris-

This " quantity is the only factor, all carbs are fully evil " thing is a

straw man.

>So now you say " processed " carbs, admitting that quality is a factor, not

>simply quantity.

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[Guest guest]

>> Are you willing to admit, or not, that if the quality is

superior, and the diet is overall very nutrient-dense, that one can eat a diet

whose

primary source of calories is carbohydrates, and be protected from insulin

resistance? <<

I think I'd need to see a more specific statement than this to know if I agree

with it or not.

How much fiber, how much fat, how much protein, how much carb? And what forms of

fat and protein (assuming high fiber, nutrient dense, lower glycemic

veggies/grains are the carb source)?

what is it about low-carb diets that irritate you so much? I know you're

a born-again Warrior Dieter, and that's fine, but I would infinitely rather eat

three meals and a snack every day for the rest of my life than eat the WD way. I

love food, love to eat. And now I have found a way to eat and enjoy food, and

NOT be insulin resistant and lose the incredible amounts of fat I loaded on

while I was insulin resistant. Seems kind of miraculously wonderful to me, but I

always get the feeling that you think it's a bad thing. Is there some reason

that both concepts, low carb and three meals a day, and Warrior Diet, can't both

be options? We're not all the same, don't all have the same lifestyle, don't all

like the same things.

Christie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/10/04 2:36:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,

christiekeith@... writes:

> what is it about low-carb diets that irritate you so much? I know

> you're a born-again Warrior Dieter, and that's fine, but I would infinitely

> rather eat three meals and a snack every day for the rest of my life than eat

> the WD way. I love food, love to eat. And now I have found a way to eat and

> enjoy food, and NOT be insulin resistant and lose the incredible amounts of

fat

> I loaded on while I was insulin resistant. Seems kind of miraculously

> wonderful to me, but I always get the feeling that you think it's a bad thing.

Is

> there some reason that both concepts, low carb and three meals a day, and

> Warrior Diet, can't both be options? We're not all the same, don't all have

the

> same lifestyle, don't all like the same things.

Christie,

Have you read this thread from the beginning, or did you jump in in the

middle? I don't care if people low-carb at all, and I'm sure *some* people

*need*

to low-carb. But the sole point I'm trying to make here is that carb intake

is not equivalent to insulin resistance. I'm not trying to argue *against*

low-carbing in this thread; I'm trying to point out that, given the proper

attention to other variables, one can eat plenty of carbs, and not become

insulin

resistant.

Chris

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/10/04 1:54:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Idol@... writes:

> As far as I've seen, nobody on this list has made the argument that insulin

>

> resistance either appears at a set carb intake threshold or scales linearly

> with the single variable of carb consumption. It's simply a straw

> man. All the low-carb advocates on this list acknowledge factors like the

> glycemic index, the amounts and types of fats included in the diet, etc.,

> though I suppose every individual has a different mix. You're boxing a

> phantom.

,

First, those aren't the variables I was talking about. Second, *was*

equating carb intake with insulin resistance. If she wasn't, she could have

clarified that we had no disagreement long ago. If I'm debating with her, and

she's debating with me, and neither of us are aware that we agree with each

other, then both of us are fighting straw men, not just me, and both of us are

fundamentally misunderstanding the other.

I have no interest in debating a straw man-- obviously that's a waste of my

time.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Chris-

As far as I've seen, nobody on this list has made the argument that insulin

resistance either appears at a set carb intake threshold or scales linearly

with the single variable of carb consumption. It's simply a straw

man. All the low-carb advocates on this list acknowledge factors like the

glycemic index, the amounts and types of fats included in the diet, etc.,

though I suppose every individual has a different mix. You're boxing a

phantom.

>But the sole point I'm trying to make here is that carb intake

>is not equivalent to insulin resistance.

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[Guest guest]

Chris-

But you do disagree: you seem to be angling toward the idea that carbs (any

and all carbs, that is) are completely innocent.

>If she wasn't, she could have

>clarified that we had no disagreement long ago.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/10/04 4:57:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Idol@... writes:

> But you do disagree: you seem to be angling toward the idea that carbs (any

>

> and all carbs, that is) are completely innocent.

You already said this, and I already responded to you, pointing out that I

had included overstimulation of insulin in my initial list, which I considered

to imply chronic carb overconsumption.

You are " arguing against a straw man " as you would say.

Chris

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:35:19 -0800

" Christie " <christiekeith@...> wrote:

> what is it about low-carb diets that irritate you so much? I know you're

a born-again Warrior

Dieter, and that's fine, but I would infinitely rather eat three meals

and a snack every day for the rest of my life than eat the WD way. I

love food, love to eat. And now I have found a way to eat and enjoy food,

and NOT be insulin resistant and lose the incredible amounts of fat I

loaded on while I was insulin resistant. Seems kind of miraculously

wonderful to me, but I always get the feeling that you think it's a bad

thing. Is there some reason that both concepts, low carb and three meals

a day, and Warrior Diet, can't both be options? We're not all the same,

don't all have the same lifestyle, don't all like the same things.

######Christie,

I have been following these posts quite closely, and for the life of me

I can't find anywhere where or any other advocate of the Warrior

Diet has appeared irritated by low carb dieting. On the contrary, I

think most of us have at one time or another said this isn't for

everyone but it is another option, albeit a controversial one.

I for one am on the record praising Dr. Atkins and his work, even though

I am no longer a low carber. I did that before you joined this list and

after you joined this list, even though in the latter stages of my low

carbing I had abandoned Dr. Atkins particular approach.

I gave up low carbing because I found a way to eat carbs and still keep

my weight down. More importantly, I found a way of eating that was quite

compatible with my lifestyle, which already consisted of a type of

feasting and fasting.

But I have in no way seen anyone on this list who advocates the WD being

irritated by the low carbers. We have critiqued them; we have questioned

what we tend to see as an unnecessary demonizing of a whole category of

foods by some though certainly not all; but we haven't suggested that

low carbing is bad or that the WD is the only way to go, at least not

from what I have read.

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