Re: Gas and the Warrior Diet

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In a message dated 1/6/04 12:22:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gramlin@... writes:

> If you use a plastic cap on your mason jar, or even paper towel secured

> with an elastic band, your kefir will not have CO2. I think it tastes nice

> that way ;-)

I always use plastic caps-- how would that prevent CO2? The CO2 is

generated by the fermentation, and would need to leave the jar for the kefir to

be

free of it, so how could capping it do anything but insure the presence of CO2?

Chris

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> Anyone here who is using the Warrior Diet to time the consumption of

> their foods ever had a problem with gas?

Before the WD, I always had gas. I would buy Gas-X in large boxes

from Sam's. When I first started the WD, I got gas in the

undereating phase because I was eating raw veggies and fruits. When

I switched to broth, fermented veggies, and coconut oil, and

occasionally jerky and egg yolks, I had no gas. The only times I've

had gas in the overeating phase, has been after eating lots of crap.

For instance, I had gas after Christmas dinner (SAD-style), and last

night after we ate at a Mexican restaurant where I partook of chips,

salsa, chicken, spicy ground beef, and beans. I eat decent food 95%

of the time, and when eating decently, I've had no gas despite eating

a really huge meal.

Betsy

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Here's some more un-asked-for advice for {LOL}

If you use a plastic cap on your mason jar, or even paper towel secured with an

elastic band, your kefir will not have CO2. I think it tastes nice that way

;-)

, and the K9's

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In a message dated 1/6/04 4:11:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gramlin@... writes:

> The plastic caps that I have are not airtight (like the usual mason jar

> caps), so I do not get any fizz at all! But then again, I'm not a stong,

> weight-lifting warrior-type(!) so maybe I just don't tighten them enough?

>

lol! Maybe. It also depends on temperature, the amount you fill the jars

up, the milk you use, and the kefir grains you have. It's always seemed random

to me. Oh, and time too.

Chris

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wrote:

>I always use plastic caps-- how would that prevent CO2?

The plastic caps that I have are not airtight (like the usual mason jar caps),

so I do not get any fizz at all! But then again, I'm not a stong,

weight-lifting warrior-type(!) so maybe I just don't tighten them enough?

Cheers,

and the K9's

[Guest guest]

I've never had a gas problem on the WD. In fact, my gas has been less.

Ori's book is very interesting and entertaining reading. His new book,

however, will bore you to tears. It is dull, dull, dull.

>Anyone here who is using the Warrior Diet to time the consumption of

>their foods ever had a problem with gas?

>

>The last couple of weeks that has been a problem for me and Suze, more

>Suze than me. I think it can be attributed to one of maybe several

>things:

>

>1. We didn't have much in the way of fermented foods which is normally a

>regular part of our diets, like kimchi. And which normally, at least for

>me, helps things go quite smoothly.

>

>2. We were eating things we don't normally eat, like Garden of Eatin Red

>Hot Blues which my sister decided to pick up for me, recalling that I

>liked them *years* ago. Now from past experience, at least with me,

>these chips are very addicting, which is why I hardly ever buy them,

>besides the crappy ingredients in the seasoning. But with salsa they are

>ooohhhh so good. We eventually graduated to the Kettle masa chips but we

>still ate a lot which is not normal for either of us.

>

>3. She ate a lot more food than she is normally used to eating.

>

>4. I was eating after a semi-fast state of about 45 days where I

>alternated water fasting with mostly fruit eating.

>

>I will be okay very soon after my body adjusts, I drop the chips,

>reintroduce kimchi on a regular basisnand maybe utilize a very good

>digestive tonic I have used in the past. I can't speak for Suze, but

>probably the same approach will work for her.

>

>But again, out of curiosity, anyone had any problems with gas eating the

>large warrior meal?

>

>By the way, if you haven't tried eating the Warrior meal with others in

>stages, as Ori suggests, i.e over a 4 hour period, you are missing out

>on a real delight....<weg>

>

>

>The Secret of Health

>Stay away from the doctor, says Hein, MD.

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>

>

>

>

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On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 23:24:53 -0800

Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote:

>

>

>>Anyone here who is using the Warrior Diet to time the consumption of

>>their foods ever had a problem with gas?

>

>Actually consuming gas has always been a problem. It won't stay on the spoon,

>and it is SOOO hard to see ;--)

LOL!!!

>

>Seriously though, I've had so much LESS problem with gas on the WD, or any

>other kind of gut issue. Kind of surpising, since the common advice if you

>have gut problems is to eat more frequent small meals ...

I have never had a problem with gas and the WD until this time around,

which I believe was a direct result of me jumping back into big meals to

quickly after my fruit/fast episode.

>

>

>>The last couple of weeks that has been a problem for me and Suze, more

>>Suze than me. I think it can be attributed to one of maybe several

>>things:

>>

>>1. We didn't have much in the way of fermented foods which is normally a

>>regular part of our diets, like kimchi. And which normally, at least for

>>me, helps things go quite smoothly.

>

>Yep.

>

>Were you perhaps also eating raw foods, like raw cabbage? THAT is

>a biggie.

Nope. In fact the last two weeks was the most cooked food I had eaten

for awhile. Same for Suze.

>

>

>>2. We were eating things we don't normally eat, like Garden of Eatin Red

>>Hot Blues which my sister decided to pick up for me, recalling that I

>>liked them *years* ago. Now from past experience, at least with me,

>>these chips are very addicting, which is why I hardly ever buy them,

>>besides the crappy ingredients in the seasoning. But with salsa they are

>>ooohhhh so good. We eventually graduated to the Kettle masa chips but we

>>still ate a lot which is not normal for either of us.

>

>Some of those also have beans? Beans are ok if I do them " right " but the chips

with

>beans I'd think would be a problem.

I don't think the Red Hot Blues have beans but the Kettle Masa chips did.

Black Bean and Garlic - YUMMY! But because they were masa chips we had

less problems with them than we did with the Red Hot Blues.

>

>

>>3. She ate a lot more food than she is normally used to eating.

>>

>>4. I was eating after a semi-fast state of about 45 days where I

>>alternated water fasting with mostly fruit eating.

>

>Eating more than usual might be an issue, I'd think, though it hasn't

>been for me personally.

Yes Suze complained about that frequently. Seems I was a bad influence

on her <weg>. I was actually eating a little less than I normally do on

the WD. But no worries, I will soon be back up to speed <grin>

>

>As for eating over a 4-hour period in stages, with others ... yeah, the

>Romans used to do that all the time ... a nice relaxed feast.

Yes it is quite lovely

>Which reminds me about holiday weight gain ... I didn't. I DID go

>feast at my sibling's house (me bringing all the stuff that traditionally

>uses wheat) and I pigged out over a somewhat longer period than

>usual, but really, it wasn't more of a binge than every evening (although more

>alcohol by a long shot!).

LOL!! No comment <vweg>

Next morning, felt ok, back to normal

>routine, except the different food set me off just a tad. Day after

>that, everything totally normal.

>

>This is unusual ... holidays are usually a merrygoround of

>stuffing and guilt and promises of " dieting " come the new year.

Hey I'm with you on this one. None of the usual holiday problems.

Stupid Vogue

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[Guest guest]

How interesting. Is there a difference between preparing kraut and

preparing kimchi?

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:14:18 +0000 (GMT)

Joanne Pollack <jopollack2001@...> wrote:

>I find sauerkraut gives me really bad gas! I think it

>ferments in my gut. It also softens my BMs and makes

>them much more frequent. So sounds like I have the

>opposite problem to you if you find kimchi reduces the

>problem!

>

>Jo

>

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see comments below

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 14:54:49 -0000

" Betsy " <bettysmith997@...> wrote:

>

>> Anyone here who is using the Warrior Diet to time the consumption of

>> their foods ever had a problem with gas?

>

>Before the WD, I always had gas. I would buy Gas-X in large boxes

>from Sam's. When I first started the WD, I got gas in the

>undereating phase because I was eating raw veggies and fruits. When

>I switched to broth, fermented veggies, and coconut oil, and

>occasionally jerky and egg yolks, I had no gas. The only times I've

>had gas in the overeating phase, has been after eating lots of crap.

>For instance, I had gas after Christmas dinner (SAD-style), and last

>night after we ate at a Mexican restaurant where I partook of chips,

>salsa, chicken, spicy ground beef, and beans. I eat decent food 95%

>of the time, and when eating decently, I've had no gas despite eating

>a really huge meal.

>

>Betsy

Hi Betsy,

This has generally been my experience. One night I ate a huge SAD meal

and I had gas and a few other problems. Other than that, until the

latest episode, it has not been a problem.

Stupid Vogue

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[Guest guest]

>How interesting. Is there a difference between preparing kraut and

>preparing kimchi?

>

>

Different cabbage? Kimchi is napa, which ferments within

2 days. Regular cabbage isn't really " ready " for about 6 months.

-- Heidi

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In a message dated 1/6/04 10:01:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, longc@...

writes:

> I've never had a gas problem on the WD. In fact, my gas has been less.

> Ori's book is very interesting and entertaining reading. His new book,

> however, will bore you to tears. It is dull, dull, dull.

,

Really? I loved it. I haven't read _The Warrior Diet_, though I plan to,

but I thought _MMMF_ was fantastic. I thought one of the problems that had

been pointed out about _WD_ was that it was more philosophical than scientific,

and that _MMMF_ was an answer to that. I look at them as companion books-- if

you want the science, read _MMMF_; if you want the philosophy, or practical

applications, read _WD_.

Chris

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In a message dated 1/7/04 10:22:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,

gramlin@... writes:

> >It also depends on temperature, the amount you fill the jars up, the milk

> you use, and the kefir grains you have. It's always seemed random to me.

> Oh, and time too.

>

> Actually, all that makes no difference. I'm talking strictly about carbon

> dioxide formation in kefir. If you don't have tight lids, you don't get CO2

> - period.

So am I, and I think it does make a difference. CO2 is produced by the

fermentation, so obviously the speed and amount of fermentation, and the

organisms

doing the fermenting, and the organisms they are competing with, (and their

respective byproducts) are going to all have an impact on the concentration of

CO2.

And it's not like soda, which is a pure liquid, where it is easy for the CO2

to escape-- kefir is thick, making it harder for the CO2 to escape.

My kombucha is kept with a coffee filter, to maximize the oxygenation, but

nevertheless is absolutely loaded with CO2-- I tend to get a half inch to an

inch " head " when I pour a glass.

Chris

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In a message dated 1/7/04 9:42:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,

robin@... writes:

> What book does _MMMF_ stand for? Thanks.

>

_Maximum Muscle, Minimum Fat: The Science of Physical Perfection_ by Ori

Hofmekler. You can order it from www.dragondoor.com, or link there from

www.warriordiet.com.

Chris

[Guest guest]

What book does _MMMF_ stand for? Thanks.

Robin Stone, MS, RD

Robin Stone Nutrition

(828) 252-7408

Re: Re: Gas and the Warrior Diet

Really? I loved it. I haven't read _The Warrior Diet_, though I plan

to,

but I thought _MMMF_ was fantastic.

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>It also depends on temperature, the amount you fill the jars up, the milk you

use, and the kefir grains you have. It's always seemed random to me. Oh, and

time too.

Actually, all that makes no difference. I'm talking strictly about carbon

dioxide formation in kefir. If you don't have tight lids, you don't get CO2 -

period.

If you want to talk about lactose digestion, that's another story.......

Cheers,

and the K9's

[Guest guest]

>So am I, and I think it does make a difference. CO2 is produced by the

>fermentation, so obviously the speed and amount of fermentation, and the

organisms

>doing the fermenting, and the organisms they are competing with, (and their

>respective byproducts) are going to all have an impact on the concentration of

>CO2.

Not all kefir produces C02 though, it depends on the bacterial/yeast mix,

I think. I've brewed kefilli in a VERY airtight container and get not so much

as a burp. I tried making kimchi in a plastic bag once, as an experiment,

and got little or no gas also.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

You're right about the science-philosophy thing. I've not finished MMMF yet

because I can only read it in small doses because I find it boring. I'm

almost done. As far as being informative, it's great but I find the science

aspect dull. But I did love the Warrior Diet and would like to see more

about the history he talked about in WD.

>In a message dated 1/6/04 10:01:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, longc@...

>writes:

>

> > I've never had a gas problem on the WD. In fact, my gas has been less.

> > Ori's book is very interesting and entertaining reading. His new book,

> > however, will bore you to tears. It is dull, dull, dull.

>

>,

>

>Really? I loved it. I haven't read _The Warrior Diet_, though I plan to,

>but I thought _MMMF_ was fantastic. I thought one of the problems that had

>been pointed out about _WD_ was that it was more philosophical than

>scientific,

>and that _MMMF_ was an answer to that. I look at them as companion

>books-- if

>you want the science, read _MMMF_; if you want the philosophy, or practical

>applications, read _WD_.

>

>Chris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I make Kombucha Tea too, and the " lid " is a paper towel, BUT with KT, the CO2 is

held in by the scoby floating on the top of the liquid. When the KT is bottled,

I put a tight lid on it which keeps the fizz.

Kefir is very different. I brew it in a jar with an ill-fitting plastic lid

and mine never develops CO2, not ever (unless I use a proper mason jar lid).

I swirl it around regularly, and stir it before straining it, and place the

fermented kefir back in the jar with the same lid - definitely no fizz.

and the K9's

>And it's not like soda, which is a pure liquid, where it is easy for the CO2

to escape-- kefir is thick, making it harder for the CO2 to escape.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/7/04 3:02:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,

heidis@... writes:

> Not all kefir produces C02 though, it depends on the bacterial/yeast mix,

> I think. I've brewed kefilli in a VERY airtight container and get not so

> much

> as a burp. I tried making kimchi in a plastic bag once, as an experiment,

> and got little or no gas also.

Heidi,

Exactly-- that's what I was trying to say.

____

wrote:

>You're right about the science-philosophy thing. I've not finished MMMF yet

>because I can only read it in small doses because I find it boring. I'm

>almost done. As far as being informative, it's great but I find the science

>aspect dull. But I did love the Warrior Diet and would like to see more

>about the history he talked about in WD.

Huh. I thought it was a page-turner and couldn't put it down. I just talked

to someone last night who started trying to read NAPD and thought it was

boring. Said the same thing-- I thought it was a page-turner and couldn't put

it

down. I guess that's a matter of personal taste :-P

I haven't read the Warrior Diet yet, but look forward to it.

_____

wrote:

>I make Kombucha Tea too, and the " lid " is a paper towel, BUT with KT, the

CO2 is >held in by the scoby floating on the top of the liquid. When the KT is

bottled, I put a >tight lid on it which keeps the fizz.

Good point. I'd forgotten about the effect of the zogleal mat.

>Kefir is very different.   I brew it in a jar with an ill-fitting plastic

lid and mine never >develops CO2, not ever (unless I use a proper mason jar

lid).    I swirl it around >regularly, and stir it before straining it, and

place

the fermented kefir back in the jar >with the same lid - definitely no fizz.

But as Heidi pointed out, sometimes kefir will not develop CO2 even with

airtight capping. So it depends on more factors-- namely, all of the ones I'd

mentioned before: kefir grains, competing bacteria in milk, temperature, time,

and air in the jar.

The first three determine which organisms outcompete which others, and

whether they are CO2-producing organisms or not.

The fourth affects the concentration of CO2 by the *amount* of fermentation

that goes on (as well as the third). The air in the jar *has* to affect the

CO2 concentration by basic laws of physics/chemistry, because the vapor

pressure of CO2 is a constant at a given temperature, the more air, the more CO2

will leave the kefir to inhabit the air.

Experience with kefir between different people seems to be quite random,

which would indicate a lot has to do with the individual strains predominating

in

each persons kefir grains. Kefir grains are like pets, I think-- no two are

alike.

Chris

[Guest guest]

> Actually consuming gas has always been a problem. It won't stay on

the spoon,

> and it is SOOO hard to see ;--)

-------->LOL!

>

> Seriously though, I've had so much LESS problem with gas on the WD,

or any

> other kind of gut issue. Kind of surpising, since the common advice

if you

> have gut problems is to eat more frequent small meals ...

-------->you know, maybe if i had *stuck* to the WD which i had been

following for several months, i would've had less or no gas. but i

was hungry all the time or just felt like eating when i was visiting

michael, so i ate and ate, even earlier in the day. ok, i also had

sourdough wheat bread and some other kind of bread, when i normally

don't eat bread at all. i was actually eating a number of things i

don't eat regularly and eating on a different schedule of sorts, so i

guess i had it coming to me

> >

> >1. We didn't have much in the way of fermented foods which is

normally a

> >regular part of our diets, like kimchi. >

--------->i am making up for that now by eating lots of kimchi. my

local hfs now carries an unpasteurized kimchi that is very tasty and

inexpensive, plus i have my own.

> As for eating over a 4-hour period in stages, with others ... yeah,

the

> Romans used to do that all the time ... a nice relaxed feast.

> Which reminds me about holiday weight gain ... I didn't.

----->that is great heidi! i'm pretty sure *i* did with all my

gluttony at michael's. i'm back home now and will be hitting the gym

on monday though. LOL

I DID go

> feast at my sibling's house (me bringing all the stuff that

traditionally

> uses wheat) and I pigged out over a somewhat longer period than

> usual, but really, it wasn't more of a binge than every evening

(although more

> alcohol by a long shot!). Next morning, felt ok, back to normal

> routine, except the different food set me off just a tad. Day after

> that, everything totally normal.

>

> This is unusual ... holidays are usually a merrygoround of

> stuffing and guilt and promises of " dieting " come the new year.

>

----->that is wonderful :-)

suze

[Guest guest]

>----->that is great heidi! i'm pretty sure *i* did with all my

>gluttony at michael's. i'm back home now and will be hitting the gym

>on monday though. LOL

You know, Suze, dropping all these little hints and such

you are going to start rumors, or at least little wicked

grins ... you are beginning to make us think you two

were having a rather good time ...

-- Heidi

(writing for " People NT " magazine ...)

[Guest guest]

> You know, Suze, dropping all these little hints and such

> you are going to start rumors, or at least little wicked

> grins ... you are beginning to make us think you two

> were having a rather good time ...

>

> -- Heidi

> (writing for " People NT " magazine ...)

------------->lol! hey, we had a *great* time...let the rumor mill

grind away! <weg>

p.s. next time i will call you *before* i come so we'll have time to

arrange a visit :-)

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 22:32:50 -0800

Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote:

>

>>----->that is great heidi! i'm pretty sure *i* did with all my

>>gluttony at michael's. i'm back home now and will be hitting the gym

>>on monday though. LOL

>

>You know, Suze, dropping all these little hints and such

>you are going to start rumors, or at least little wicked

>grins ... you are beginning to make us think you two

>were having a rather good time ...

>

>-- Heidi

>(writing for " People NT " magazine ...)

I thought I saw some paparazzi hanging out in the bushes behind the

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