Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 well, if it weren't for the blood sugar thing, i wouldn't consider it a problem at all. i guess if you're here, you don't eat sugar or refined grains? At 09:30 AM 1/7/2004, you wrote: >Hi all > >I have developed this problem of always waking up about 6-7 hours >after going to sleep. I wake up extremely tense and jumpy, not able >to fall back asleep. The funny thing is I took my blood sugar when I >woke up and it was sky high off the charts. I am not diabetic, I >just bought the meter for the fun of it. I have heard this has been >an increasing problem since the 80s, but I have not heard that anyone >really knows why. I am sure a doctor wuld just give a sleeping pill >or somethin, not an option. Has anyone here had or have this >problem? Are their any diet or other changes that helped. > >Thanks, Joe > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 A lot of this year, I have done the same thing. I thought it was a sign of perimenopause. Or perhaps low blood sugar. Or just plain stress, which we've had plenty of this year. A few times, I got up and made a bowl of old fashioned oatmeal (not soaked, though...sorry!), thinking the starch would help make me sleepy again. I eat a lot less flour and sugar than I used to. However, 2 Christmases ago, we all felt like a batch of toll house cookies. My dh has practically no self-control in the presence of toll house cookies. I had plenty myself...had to " taste test " them, don'cha know? The next morning, dh mentioned that he slept real good the night before. So did I. Besides the cookies, the only other thing that's seemed to help me sleep at least 8 hours without waking up for more than a few minutes has been lots of physical activity (fence building, etc.), especially in the cold. I'm wondering if it's not something to do with production of cortisol and/or blood sugar level fluctuation. Can a person just up and buy a glucometer without arousing the curiousity of any nearby medical professionals? One more thing I've noticed is that I tend to wake up and worry, when I wake up too early like this. And the worrying tends to linger until I've had my eggy breakfast. The world always seems brighter after eating. > Hi all > > I have developed this problem of always waking up about 6-7 hours > after going to sleep. I wake up extremely tense and jumpy, not able > to fall back asleep. The funny thing is I took my blood sugar when I > woke up and it was sky high off the charts. I am not diabetic, I > just bought the meter for the fun of it. I have heard this has been > an increasing problem since the 80s, but I have not heard that anyone > really knows why. I am sure a doctor wuld just give a sleeping pill > or somethin, not an option. Has anyone here had or have this > problem? Are their any diet or other changes that helped. > > Thanks, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Hi You are not the first person with the problem that I have heard eating some starch right before sleeping helps. Some eat rice, bread, potato, you are the first I heard of toll house cookies The theory here is that the blood sugar is dropping and the body if firing off hormones to try to get it back up. Now I am a 30 year old male, so it seems to be across age groups and sex. I eat very little to now grain, and the starch before bed has not seemed to help me very much, which seems to be proved by my blood sugar results. The glucose meters are available in just about any supermarket now because of the prevalence of diabetes. I just picked one up and its pretty cool. I can do my own fasting test, or glucose tolerance test. I can see my blood sugar at different parts of the day, I can see my reactions to different foods. The machine itself can be gotten almost free, it seems like selling the test strips is where they make their money. It's a pain in the but because most of the time I don't get enough sleep and I am a tired cranky SOB the next day. I have felt that being able to change my attitude does help like you say, but sometimes that hard when you are so tired and cranky. Thanks, Joe -- In , " " <toyotaokiec@y...> wrote: > A lot of this year, I have done the same thing. I thought it was a > sign of perimenopause. Or perhaps low blood sugar. Or just plain > stress, which we've had plenty of this year. A few times, I got up > and made a bowl of old fashioned oatmeal (not soaked, > though...sorry!), thinking the starch would help make me sleepy again. > > I eat a lot less flour and sugar than I used to. However, 2 > Christmases ago, we all felt like a batch of toll house cookies. My > dh has practically no self-control in the presence of toll house > cookies. I had plenty myself...had to " taste test " them, don'cha > know? > > The next morning, dh mentioned that he slept real good the night > before. So did I. > > Besides the cookies, the only other thing that's seemed to help me > sleep at least 8 hours without waking up for more than a few minutes > has been lots of physical activity (fence building, etc.), especially > in the cold. > > I'm wondering if it's not something to do with production of cortisol > and/or blood sugar level fluctuation. > > Can a person just up and buy a glucometer without arousing the > curiousity of any nearby medical professionals? > > One more thing I've noticed is that I tend to wake up and worry, when > I wake up too early like this. And the worrying tends to linger > until I've had my eggy breakfast. The world always seems brighter > after eating. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 >I have developed this problem of always waking up about 6-7 hours >after going to sleep. I wake up extremely tense and jumpy, not able >to fall back asleep. The funny thing is I took my blood sugar when I >woke up and it was sky high off the charts. I am not diabetic, I >just bought the meter for the fun of it. Interesting! I bought a meter because I thought I had low blood sugar, and it turns out it isn't ever low that I can catch it. The feast/fast protocol seems to be very good at regulating blood sugar in T2 diabetics -- in one study they had volunteers eat 600 cals or so one day a week, and their diabetes improved. The Warrior Diet has regulated my " hypoglycemic " epsisodes quite nicely (I don't get them anymore). Also, eating a big meal at the end of the day has made me sleep really well. Before I was eating most of my food in the beginning of the day and avoiding food after 7 --- and I always woke up at 4am or so, hungry. But I don't know why your blood sugar would be high in the middle of the night ... usually it goes up after a high-carb meal. I think cortisol can cause the body to release sugar from glycogen stores, so maybe it's just releasing too much. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 In a message dated 1/7/04 3:01:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, heidis@... writes: > I think cortisol can cause the body to release sugar > from glycogen stores, so maybe it's just releasing too much. > No, but close. I just looked it up-- glucocorticoids such as cortisol lead to in gluconeogenesis, the formation of glucose from lactic acid and amino acids. Glucogon is responsible for the breakdown of glycogen into glucose. I believe both hormones are responsible for lypolysis. If your system is working properly, a rise in blood sugar from either hormone should stimulate a release of insulin to lower the blood sugar. It sounds like the problem would be a deficiency in insulin, or, more likely, insulin resistance. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 in a flight or fight response your body is going to release adrenaline, which will among other things raise blood sugar. right? This would go along with feeling jittery, short of breath, etc. I don't think I am insulin resistant, I have no blood sugar problems any other time, and after the initial high blood sugar, it rapidly drops. maybe a stress thing. thanks, Joe > In a message dated 1/7/04 3:01:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, > heidis@t... writes: > > > I think cortisol can cause the body to release sugar > > from glycogen stores, so maybe it's just releasing too much. > > > > No, but close. I just looked it up-- glucocorticoids such as cortisol lead > to in gluconeogenesis, the formation of glucose from lactic acid and amino > acids. > > Glucogon is responsible for the breakdown of glycogen into glucose. I > believe both hormones are responsible for lypolysis. > > If your system is working properly, a rise in blood sugar from either hormone > should stimulate a release of insulin to lower the blood sugar. It sounds > like the problem would be a deficiency in insulin, or, more likely, insulin > resistance. > > Chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 wrote: >>My main point was I think the idea of using carbs as a sedative is entirely lo gical, and so far no one has offered a reason why it wouldn't be, except to equate carbs with insulin resistance, which is a false equation. Agreed.. and the key may be that the tryptophan (precursor to serotonin) from protein eaten during the day can't (or in real life doesn't) cross the blood-brain barrier until some carbs are present. That's the rationale behind " Potatoes Not Prozac " (have a potato in the evening, or some non-starchy carb if preferred). - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 sounds exactly like me. Its good to know you broke the cycle. I guess I need to find my own way. thanks, Joe > Hi > > > > You are not the first person with the problem that I > > have heard > > eating some starch right before sleeping helps. > > Some eat rice, > > bread, potato, you are the first I heard of toll > > house cookies > > > _____________________________________________________________________ ___ > Messenger - Communicate instantly... " Ping " > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 I agree with you Judith and I would add that it is also all the gunk the modern age has created, i.e. heavy metals, pesticides, additives, microwaves, radiation, mercury in teeth, synthetic fibres, acid rain, etc., etc. But people could probably handle all that " if " they had good traditional foods with good fats and proteins. I also think some person can get " too reasonable, " going along with the certain things as I've seen in a number of posts. Bee > It is my opinion and belief that Type 2 diabetes, and many of the other > problems of modern humans, is the low fat, highly processed carbohydrate > diet. The human body cannot maintain a healthy state on nutrient free foods > " fortified " with a few fake vitamins. > > Judith Alta > > -----Original Message----- > > > >True enough, Heidi, but is that the real point? Put me on a diet of loads > of white rice, and lock me in a hospital, and yes, I'd lose weight. > > > >Give me lots of white rice and give me money and a car, and I'll be out > feeding the insatiable beast that carbohydrate consumption unleashes in me, > and I will GAIN weight. You can take that to the bank. > > > >Christie > > Well, basically I'll have to second Chris's post. The original > thread was: do high-carb diets cause T2 diabetes? They > don't, they proveably don't, for high numbers of peoples. > Therefore there are other factors. > > For you personally ... if low carb works for you, that > is great. I'm all for tailoring a diet to an individual. I don't > know all the factors that exist in your chemistry or your > diet. I used to get " the hungries " a lot and would gorge, > so I CAN relate. > > I'm not anti-low-carb. It doesn't work for me, however, > though I eat fewer carbs than I used to. Further, my > favorite foods, jerky and kimchi, are hardly high carb, > and I think grains have lots of issues (as does Mercola). > I DON'T like some of the almost-propaganda that is > coming from the low-carb camp lately though, that low > carb is the ONLY way to go. It's almost like having jumped > from the " low fat " bandwagon, some folks are jumping > to the " low carb " bandwagon. > > Also, I do admit to a certain philisophical distaste > for stuffing my body with more than it NEEDS. Most > of my life I was not absorbing food well, nor > processing it well. Hence I was eating probably 2 or 3 > times what I NEEDED if I was well. Now I feel more > " adjusted " , everything is working like clockwork, > and I don't need to eat so much. That makes me > feel good on a number of levels ... it's like being > " more efficient " I guess, or not loading myself down > with extra baggage (all that digestive work ...). I wouldn't > tell anyone to starve themselves though ... when I > needed all that food I really did need it. > > And, I am very busy and cannot generally " eat out " > whether or not I have a car handy. So here I am, driving > around getting low blood sugar attacks and can't > eat anything because most foods are gluten-contaminated > and will make me rather ill. It is amazingly freeing to be > able to run errands all day, snacking on a little jerky, > and then come home to eat at 9 pm and be basically ok. > > Not to mention that I don't have to find restrooms every > half hour! > > But my diet during the day isn't that different from > the average low-carber, so again, I'm not trying to > be anti-low-carb. Just saying that the chemistry is more > complex than maybe what is currently known. > > -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 > Egypt has the first evidence of diabetes. Iirc, it is some archeological > remnant whose residue indicated ketoacidosis. They considered grains to be the > most important food, and red meat to be the least valuable. They may have been > overconsuming carbs, but I suspect wheat was part of their diet? I suppose > Heidi would know. > > Chris > ______ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 > > Tracking back, diabetes was first identified around the time of > the introduction of maize (corn) into the human diet. Galen > actually named it who would be the one I would pursue reading > if interested in old cultures and their health problems as he > wrote " the book " that was used as law in medicine for about 1000 > years. That's not possible. Galen was born in 129 A.D., over 1,000 years before maize was introduced from the New World. > He taught Hippocrates. You must mean that Hippocrates taught Galen, at least in the sense that Galen was a student of Hippocrates' writings, since Galen was born almost 600 years after Hippocrates. > If I remember correctly, Egytians were into maize. Not the ancient Egyptians, since there was no maize in the Old World at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Just curious, but why do you eschew pronouns and articles in your writing, Wanita? > > > Hispanic and Native American friend of mine lived in Mexico off and on over > a few years. She lived where they still pretty much got their own food. > Caught fish was the daily meat, chicken was once a week if available, lots > of tortillas, beans, avocado. Surprised when she said there were coconuts > nearby but they weren't eaten much. She went to where they were next time > down and had some. She had read D'Adamo's Eat Right for Your Blood Type. Is > O and focused on meat because of it when there. Predominant blood type of > Hispanics is O. Told her my A was vegetarian to him along with no way. Would > feed her beef when she'd visit. Would be highly difficult to sustain an > Inuit type diet in the South Americas as the land mammals are smaller than > those of the north. Deer for one get smaller the further south the > latitude.Argentina is an exception with beef raising. > > > Hispanics tend to be genetically geared more > > for an Inuit diet than a high-carb diet. And the Inuit are a good example > of > > folks who are geared for a low-carb diet, and do awful on a high- carb > diet. > > Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 --- In , ChrisMasterjohn@a... wrote to Wanita: > > I thought you were being witty by formulating a response with > no pronouns. I know you have a thumb injury of sorts, so I > don't blame for that. In any case, you responded with perfect > irony: I'm sorry Wanita. I didn't realize you had a thumb injury. I've noticed that many people on the internet have their own systems of spelling or punctuation, or habits such as not using capitalization. Often they are acting on personal ideas about orthographic reform, saving bandwidth, or some thing else of the sort. That whole area interests me, and so I was just curious if you didn't have something similar in mind. So never mind it, I value your contributions in whatever form they come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 > Deer for one get smaller the further south the > latitude.Argentina is an exception with beef raising. > > Wanita Yes, I understand that Mexicans prefer to raise larger cattle than many here do. The breed we have, Braunvieh, is raised in Mexico, and from the photos we've seen, they raise them to be MUCH larger than we do. I remember one photo where the bull was so much bigger than the owners that it looked like some kind of trailer next to them! I wonder if the Braunvieh seedstock producers try for large animals so that when the commercial ranchers get hold of them, and they tend to produce smaller animals, then they won't get too small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 , As I understand the process of sleep, our body converts serotonin to melatonin when there is little light. Melatonin has the affect of causing us to sleep. When we are exposed to bright light, Morning, our body once again converts melatonin back to serotonin. Serotonin increases our desire to graze, and gives us a feeling of well being. Perhaps your dose of Sam E and 5HTP, both serotonin increasers are producing far too much serotonin for your body to convert to melatonin, and the extra serotonin boost you get from those two items are causing you to awake too early. May---- be that if you took those two items first thing in the morning, rather than at evening, you may sleep longer. And of course low T, can cause you to tire more easily. Most often I read, with low " T " there is high " E " estrogen levels which is causing you to have " hot flashes " . kind regards david a Early Morning Waking > > hi > > i take a few different supplements, just wanted to see if others have > experienced early morning waking from either of the following: > > Rhodiola 500mg in the morn > Armour Thyroid 20mg in the morn and 20mg in the afternoon > Cortisol 2.5mg x 3 per day > dhea 50mg in the arvo > Sam-e and 5htp 100mg last thing at night. > > i realize these are low dosages but still getting the early morning > wake - sleep about 5-6 hours and then wake. not really enough for me > and after a couple of days i start to feel it. > > i sometimes wake feeling a little too hot but i am in Brisbane, > Australia. but i do have low Free Testosterone and i hear that might > be causing it. so many things to consider > > thanks for any thoughts > > cheers > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 hi all i just wanted to take the time to thank everyone who responded to this post - i got some very good info from the, very helpful. i am too time poor today to reply properly to the posts but will hopefully have more time to re-read them on the weekend. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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