Re: Re: Gas/WD/milk/kombucha/sleeping-Chris

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>After reading your experiences with milk, it made me wonder if I'm

>not really allergic to all these foods, but just not digesting the

>proteins gluten, casein, and whatever the protein in corn is, along

>with the proteins in meat, chicken, eggs, nuts, and beans. I don't

>know much about leaky gut syndrome, but I think maybe over the years,

>I've done enough damage to my digestive system that undigested

>proteins are really causing problems.

In the gluten-sensitive research area, it is considered that the

following happens:

1. MOST people can't digest gliadin well, esp. one little peptide

string that seems to cause most of the problem.

2. Some people react with an IgA allergic reaction. THOSE

people also produce substances that wreck the bodies

ability to digest everything else (like the liver and pancreas)

So they often take HCL and enzymes to get back on track.

3. After a year or two on a GF diet, a lot of people then

CAN digest lactose, meat, eggs etc. just fine.

That pretty much has been my experience. It's been a couple

of years now, and I can digest about anything ... but gluten

still sets me off. I avoid casein also, but kefir seems to

be ok. Kimchi and the WD have helped immensly also, and

I was taking digestive enzymes for some time (and still

do, if I seem to need them).

The research seems to indicate that for folks with

an IgA reaction to gluten, it does not go away, and it

does wreck long-term havoc on the body. It is genetically

based. About 1/3 of the population have the gene. The

other 2/3 might get ill from gluten because it is hard

to digest. If you are in the IgA reactive category, the

the gluten part is often the " key " to all the other

reactions. I'm not sure where B6 fits into all this: obviously

if the gliadin was broken down properly in the stomach

it wouldn't make it to the small intestine, but it seems that

few people have the correct enzymes to break it down,

humans just weren't designed to eat wheat.

How do you tell if you are in that 1/3? Good question.

I did get tested, but the main reason I suspected it

is that I got a lot of IgA-type symptoms that can't

really be explained by " bad digestion " , such as

itchy skin/little bumps, canker sores, migraines,

sore joints, mental reactions (depression, anxiety,

foggy brain).

You can't really rely on gut symptoms though to know

if you are reacting in an IgA way though. Most people

with an IgA reaction get NO gut symptoms, but they

do have a higher rate of degenerative diseases (things

like cancer, heart disease, arthritis, depression).

>I don't really know how to fix the problem. Last night I was

>thumbing through Jordan Rubin's " Restoring Your Digestive Health, "

>and thinking I might eat only broth, coconut oil, and fermented

>veggies for awhile and experiment with enzymes and other digestion

>aids until I can successfully digest the protein in broth. Then move

>on to other types of protein until I can eventually eat gluten, corn

>protein, and casein without looking pregnant. I've experimented with

>enzymes in the past (omegazyme and whatever Radiant Life carries) and

>neither has really helped much. Maybe there's not anywhere enough

>protein enzymes for my situation in standard enzymes. Jordan Rubin

>suggested two protein digestants to help people who can't digest

>protein.

>

>- Hydrozyme (Biotics Research): Betaine HCI, Glutamic Acid, Ammonium

>Chloride, Pepsin, pancreatin and vitamin B-6.

>- Zypan (Standard Process): Proprietary blend: Betaine hydrochloride,

>pancreas Cytosol™ extract, pancreatin (3X), fatty acid, pepsin

>(1:10,000), ammonium chloride, bovine spleen, and ovine spleen.

>Other ingredients: Cellulose, lactose, and calcium stearate.

>

>These just seem like regular HCl/pancrean supplements. I don't see

>anything like proteolytic enzymes that makes them better for protein

>digestion - maybe I'm missing something? I had unpleasant and

>atypical experiences with HCl that I don't really want to re-

>experience.

>

>Anyway, just some random thoughts. Probably doesn't really help you

>much.

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In a message dated 1/7/04 1:30:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lakeconwayhills@... writes:

> Yesterday, before I read your post, I had read an article about

> autism in which the author noted that all autistic children are

> gluten- and casein-intolerant. I don't know if that's true or not,

> but since like 25% of all autistic children are pyroluric and

> therefore B6 deficient, it would follow that they would be unable to

> digest the proteins gluten and casein, since B6 is needed for

> synthesis of the enzyme(s) or whatever is needed for protein

> digestion and assimilation.

Most of the enzymes are zinc-dependent, too.

> After reading your experiences with milk, it made me wonder if I'm

> not really allergic to all these foods, but just not digesting the

> proteins gluten, casein, and whatever the protein in corn is, along

> with the proteins in meat, chicken, eggs, nuts, and beans. I don't

> know much about leaky gut syndrome, but I think maybe over the years,

> I've done enough damage to my digestive system that undigested

> proteins are really causing problems.

Pyroluria has a lot of cross-over with symptoms and incidence of gluten

intolerance/food allergies. I think it is mainly a problem of impaired

digestion.

> These just seem like regular HCl/pancrean supplements. I don't see

> anything like proteolytic enzymes that makes them better for protein

> digestion - maybe I'm missing something?

Yes: pancreatin contains proteolytic enzymes.

> Anyway, just some random thoughts. Probably doesn't really help you

> much.

Gives me hope that if I test positive for pyroluria I'll be able to remedy

all of these problems.

Chris