Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Just fanning the flames a bit... :-).... Enjoy.... Dedy ~~~~ Despite a high-calorie diet, an Old Order community's intensely physical lifestyle produces a strikingly low rate of obesity. It's a message for the modern world. ~~~~ Forget the standard-issue health and fitness resolutions that include joining a gym, going to yoga and trading meatball subs for white-meat turkey. It may just be that the best way to get in shape is to plow the back 40, toss a few bales of hay and wash buckets of wet clothes by hand. Call it the Amish paradox. An exercise science professor has discovered that a pocket of Old Order Amish folks in Ontario, Canada, has stunningly low obesity levels, despite a diet high in fat, calories and refined sugar - exactly the stuff doctors tell us not to eat. They're at a paltry 4% obesity rate, compared to a whopping 31% in the general U.S. population, which, as we all know, is getting fatter by the minute. This group of Amish manages to keep its overweight levels low despite a diet that includes meat, potatoes, gravy, cakes, pies and eggs. So what's their secret? Exercise, people. Exercise. For starters, of the 98 Amish pedometer-wearing adults surveyed over a week, men averaged about 18,000 steps a day, women about 14,000. Most Americans do not come anywhere close to that, struggling to get in the recommended 10,000 steps a day. Amish men spent about 10 hours a week doing vigorous activities, women about 3 1/2 hours (heavy lifting, shoveling or digging, shoeing horses, tossing straw bales). Men averaged 43 hours of moderate activity a week, women about 39 hours (gardening, feeding farm animals, doing laundry). We feel virtuous if we manage to eke out half an hour a day on the StairMaster. We know, of course, that the Industrial Revolution caused us to evolve from an agrarian society to a techno world. But these statistics show just how far we've fallen from a naturally active lifestyle to one in which eight hours of work is often spent sitting in front of a computer - and what little leisure time we have is frittered away eating cheese curls while watching " The Bachelor. " Lead researcher R. Bassett Jr., professor of exercise science at the University of Tennessee, conducted the study to look at changes in physical activity from a historical perspective. His findings were published this month in Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise, a journal of the American College of Sports Medicine. He chose this population of Amish for their adherence to a physically demanding farming lifestyle and rejection of things technical, such as automobiles and electricity. They are something of an artifact of how we lived 150 years ago. Higher rates of obesity exist in other North American Amish communities that have moved away from farming and segued into less strenuous occupations such as woodworking and quilting, according to the study. Amish men in Holmes County, Ohio, for example, had rates of obesity similar to non-Amish men; Amish women actually had higher rates, attributed to multiple pregnancies, diet and greater acceptance of overweight physiques. The findings of the Old Order Amish, Bassett believes, serve to put our current slothful lives in perspective. " It can provide a sense of what we ought to be doing, " he says. " It's a little ridiculous - we drive to work, then go to the gym to walk on a treadmill. We go to great lengths to remove activity from our daily lives, and then we go to great lengths to put it back in. The Amish have done a better job than anybody of consciously thinking what impact technology will have on their lives. " The study presents a dim ray of hope in a sea of bad news about the country's climbing obesity rates. But there's a big reality check here - the vast majority of people can't possibly replicate the way the Amish live. " People aren't going to go out and start farming, " says L. Goran, professor of preventive medicine at the Keck School of Medicine at USC. " You can't wind the clock back, but it does demonstrate the power of physical activity in preventing obesity. " This dichotomy between overweight Americans and trim Amish shows that our genes haven't caught up to our diets and ways of living, according to Dr. Heber, director of the UCLA Center for Human Nutrition. " Our genes are perfectly adapted to another lifestyle, because you need those fat calories to plow the back 40, " he says. " I exercise an hour every day, but I can't eat whatever I want. " It's not just the exercise that separates us from the Amish. Heber points out that their meals, for instance, don't consist of leftover pizza eaten while standing up and talking on the phone. " We've lost a lot of things in our multi-tasking lifestyle, " he says. Bassett says the meals he ate with the Amish consisted of stick-to-your-ribs foods such as pancakes, eggs, ham, cake and milk, but also fresh fruits and vegetables at almost every noon and evening meal. According to the Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion, in 2000 only 28% of people were meeting the suggested daily requirements for vegetables (three to five servings a day), and just 17% for fruits (two to four servings a day). Snacking is practically nonexistent, just three squares a day, although the Amish do sometimes eat at fast-food restaurants when traveling. Communities are small and structured to encourage walking, unlike today's sprawling cities and towns that require cars or mass transit. Judith Stern, vice president of the Washington, D.C.-based American Obesity Assn., says the modern world is designed to make us more efficient, meaning we move less and get fatter. " We're not trying to re-create the Amish lifestyle, " she says, " but how do we create an environment in which people are more active spontaneously? We often don't have sidewalks in the suburbs. If you want to walk the stairs in a building, they're usually dark and uninviting. " And then there's the frustrating conundrum of leisure time. Remember how technological advances such as computers were supposed to give us lots of it? Between commuting to work and ferrying the kids to school and play dates, there seems to be precious little of it, despite the fact that we don't have to grow our own food or chop wood for fuel. And when we do get a few minutes of downtime, says Heber, we often spend it surfing the Internet instead of the ocean. " It always amazes me, " he adds, " that we don't have an hour to exercise, but we do watch an average of four hours of TV a day. " Though the Amish choose to exist largely apart from the rest of the population, they are not unaware of how the other 99.9% lives. Even their infrequent indulgence in fast foods is being examined. Bassett recalls reading a story in an Amish community newsletter that questioned the practice: " One of their bishops outlined the reasons why the fast-food industry is not really consistent with Amish beliefs, because everything is rush, rush, rush. " Bassett remembers a comment from an Amish man who said that when venturing into town, he can't help noticing the amount of overweight people. Says Bassett, " The man said, 'Maybe they have it a little too easy.' They've definitely noticed the same things we have, only from a different perspective. " ~~~ By Jeannine Stein, Times Staff Writer http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-amish12jan12,1,36919.story?coll=la-\ home-health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Last year I met up with a cousin at a funeral. She was heavier than I remembered and said that she and her husband had both been diagnosed as diabetic and are on medication. She also told me that the company she works for takes an annual trip to an Amish community and has a big, traditional dinner. It's got lots of fat, from what she says, and they always eat a lot. She said that usually, when she eats a really big dinner, she feels bad the next day. But when they eat at the Amish community, she feels just fine the next day. She said that everything they serve was made on the farm, except the salt and pepper. > Just fanning the flames a bit... :-).... Enjoy.... Dedy > ~~~~ > Despite a high-calorie diet, an Old Order community's intensely physical lifestyle produces a strikingly low rate of obesity. It's a message for the modern world. > ~~~~ > Forget the standard-issue health and fitness resolutions that include joining a gym, going to yoga and trading meatball subs for white-meat turkey. It may just be that the best way to get in shape is to plow the back 40, toss a few bales of hay and wash buckets of wet clothes by hand. > > Call it the Amish paradox. An exercise science professor has discovered that a pocket of Old Order Amish folks in Ontario, Canada, has stunningly low obesity levels, despite a diet high in fat, calories and refined sugar - exactly the stuff doctors tell us not to eat. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 That reminds me of the PBS series where the modern folks went back to live as homesteaders ... one guy lost 30 lbs ... REALLY hard labor! I'm not sure it's fair to say this is a " normal " life for humans though. Farm life is VERY hard compared to a hunter-gatherer -- the neolithic folks probably didn't get fat or get diabetes much, but they weren't near as healthy as the paleos. I also notice the lack of snacking and that they eat lots of fruits and vegies. The French have a very low rate of obesity also, without all the hard work, but they also lack snacks. -- Heidi >Just fanning the flames a bit... :-).... Enjoy.... Dedy >~~~~ >Despite a high-calorie diet, an Old Order community's intensely physical lifestyle produces a strikingly low rate of obesity. It's a message for the modern world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 If you can't make it in your own kitchen don't eat it. I can buy a cow, milk her, let the cream rise, skim it and make butter. But there is no way on this green earth that I can make margarine in my kitchen. Another thing that needs to be done is to separate the " fats " instead of dumping them into one big kettle. Saturated animal fats, as we all know, are far superior to the vegetable fats (olive, coconut and palm oils being the exception) that are promoted as being so healthy. When articles say that we eat too much fat they need to say what kind of fat. Judith Alta -----Original Message----- Last year I met up with a cousin at a funeral. She was heavier than I remembered and said that she and her husband had both been diagnosed as diabetic and are on medication. She also told me that the company she works for takes an annual trip to an Amish community and has a big, traditional dinner. It's got lots of fat, from what she says, and they always eat a lot. She said that usually, when she eats a really big dinner, she feels bad the next day. But when they eat at the Amish community, she feels just fine the next day. She said that everything they serve was made on the farm, except the salt and pepper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 When they talk fat they just refer to fat in general except those lovely heart healthy cholesterol lowering margarines :-) Oh and remember. Animal fat is THE main reason for heart disease in todays society. I gotta say back in the 1800's obesity and heart attacks musta been rampant :-) I mean with all these healthy oils and low fat stuff we eat now I mean... hehehe _____ From: Judith Alta [mailto:jaltak@...] Sent: Wednesday, 14 January 2004 7:16 AM Subject: RE: Re: The Amish paradox If you can't make it in your own kitchen don't eat it. I can buy a cow, milk her, let the cream rise, skim it and make butter. But there is no way on this green earth that I can make margarine in my kitchen. Another thing that needs to be done is to separate the " fats " instead of dumping them into one big kettle. Saturated animal fats, as we all know, are far superior to the vegetable fats (olive, coconut and palm oils being the exception) that are promoted as being so healthy. When articles say that we eat too much fat they need to say what kind of fat. Judith Alta -----Original Message----- Last year I met up with a cousin at a funeral. She was heavier than I remembered and said that she and her husband had both been diagnosed as diabetic and are on medication. She also told me that the company she works for takes an annual trip to an Amish community and has a big, traditional dinner. It's got lots of fat, from what she says, and they always eat a lot. She said that usually, when she eats a really big dinner, she feels bad the next day. But when they eat at the Amish community, she feels just fine the next day. She said that everything they serve was made on the farm, except the salt and pepper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Exactly! And the worse part is the cause of most, if not all, of our miseries was known before the low-fat diet ever started being pushed. Tremendous amounts of money have been wasted trying to prove it works. And almost all studies have failed. The most they can say is the diet lowered cholesterol. No matter that as many or more people died in the test groups than in the control groups. Judith Alta -----Original Message----- When they talk fat they just refer to fat in general except those lovely heart healthy cholesterol lowering margarines :-) Oh and remember. Animal fat is THE main reason for heart disease in todays society. I gotta say back in the 1800's obesity and heart attacks musta been rampant :-) I mean with all these healthy oils and low fat stuff we eat now I mean... hehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Dedy, Bingo! No electricity... as I thought they'd live too like the U.S.. There's no long, artificial days. Their hormone levels are in natural hibernation mode for winter, as they should be. They've become insulin resistant like bears during the growing season and long, summer days and deal with it diabetes free just like a bear. > Just fanning the flames a bit... :-).... Enjoy.... Dedy > He chose this population of Amish for their adherence to a physically demanding farming lifestyle and rejection of things technical, such as automobiles and electricity. They are something of an artifact of how we lived 150 years ago. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 What times would u think they go to sleep and rise. And the times they would eat ? _____ From: Wanita Sears [mailto:wanitawa@...] Sent: Wednesday, 14 January 2004 9:03 AM Subject: Re: The Amish paradox Dedy, Bingo! No electricity... as I thought they'd live too like the U.S.. There's no long, artificial days. Their hormone levels are in natural hibernation mode for winter, as they should be. They've become insulin resistant like bears during the growing season and long, summer days and deal with it diabetes free just like a bear. > Just fanning the flames a bit... :-).... Enjoy.... Dedy > He chose this population of Amish for their adherence to a physically demanding farming lifestyle and rejection of things technical, such as automobiles and electricity. They are something of an artifact of how we lived 150 years ago. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 , The Amish do use artificial lighting like oil lamps. www.lehmans.com is an Amish supply store. You'll be able to see all the non electric items Amish use for everything there. Don't know actual times they'd go to sleep and rise. As a New Englander myself brought up with dinner at 5 PM my guess is that would be about that time in winter or little earlier as that's dark. Latest bedtime would be 9PM and you'd wake up naturally with daylight about 6AM in winter. Lights Out! puts best hormone producing, immune system boosting sleep at 9 1/2 hours in winter. Less than 7 throws me off. With 8 am up before alarm. Wanita Re: The Amish paradox > > > > Dedy, > > Bingo! No electricity... as I thought they'd live too like the U.S.. There's > no long, artificial days. Their hormone levels are in natural hibernation > mode for winter, as they should be. They've become insulin resistant like > bears during the growing season and long, summer days and deal with it > diabetes free just like a bear. > > > Just fanning the flames a bit... :-).... Enjoy.... Dedy > > > He chose this population of Amish for their adherence to a physically > demanding farming lifestyle and rejection of things technical, such as > automobiles and electricity. They are something of an artifact of how we > lived 150 years ago. > > Wanita > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 I might try some earlier nights. I been waking up at like 4:30 5am lately ( its really hot here ) I mnight try some 9pm time slots ( usually im around 10 to 10:30 ) See hwo I feel ( lately I been waking up still tired ) Thanks fro the extra info on the amish. :-) _____ From: Wanita Sears [mailto:wanitawa@...] Sent: Wednesday, 14 January 2004 9:52 AM Subject: Re: The Amish paradox , The Amish do use artificial lighting like oil lamps. www.lehmans.com is an Amish supply store. You'll be able to see all the non electric items Amish use for everything there. Don't know actual times they'd go to sleep and rise. As a New Englander myself brought up with dinner at 5 PM my guess is that would be about that time in winter or little earlier as that's dark. Latest bedtime would be 9PM and you'd wake up naturally with daylight about 6AM in winter. Lights Out! puts best hormone producing, immune system boosting sleep at 9 1/2 hours in winter. Less than 7 throws me off. With 8 am up before alarm. Wanita Re: The Amish paradox > > > > Dedy, > > Bingo! No electricity... as I thought they'd live too like the U.S.. There's > no long, artificial days. Their hormone levels are in natural hibernation > mode for winter, as they should be. They've become insulin resistant like > bears during the growing season and long, summer days and deal with it > diabetes free just like a bear. > > > Just fanning the flames a bit... :-).... Enjoy.... Dedy > > > He chose this population of Amish for their adherence to a physically > demanding farming lifestyle and rejection of things technical, such as > automobiles and electricity. They are something of an artifact of how we > lived 150 years ago. > > Wanita > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 having had a lot of first-hand exposure to my local Amish farmers and their families in the past year, I found that article very interesting. the " old order " communities are a fairly small percentage of the Amish population, and like the Ohio Amish the article mentions, I can vouch for the great difference between the Old Order and typical Amish. I see a lot of overweight Amish people in my area (Lancaster, PA area), a lot of junk food, a lot of chemical farming, a very sad " worst of both worlds " kind of living. Of course, the ones I know well personally are in the tiny fringe of " organic " , WAPF-inspired farmers, but even they are not paragons of health. They also use electricity heavily, but rely on diesel generators and things, so they're " off the grid " in some sense. The ones who sell milk to big dairies have no choice but to have a pretty extensive reliance on technology. Since many of them milk at 5am and 5pm everyday, waking around 5am seems pretty normal. In chats with young kids I've asked them about that kind of thing, and 6 or 7am is considered pretty late to get up. For some Amish, it is a great lifestyle of semi-traditional living and a vibrant family and community life, but for many others it seems they are victims of modern civilization trapped in their culture. This split of " good life " / " sad life " applies equally to the general American population of course too, so the Amish case is not so noteworthy. From what I hear about the Old Order folks though, they really have a unity with their environment and a rich life. Mike SE Pennsylvania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Is summer in Oz now. Less sleep then ok, compared to winter. How you're feeling important all the time. When its hot here I catch up in cooler spells. Amish life is interesting. Wanita > I might try some earlier nights. I been waking up at like 4:30 5am lately ( > its really hot here ) > I mnight try some 9pm time slots ( usually im around 10 to 10:30 ) > See hwo I feel ( lately I been waking up still tired ) > Thanks fro the extra info on the amish. :-) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 I found some graphs on obesity rates in Europe & US (unfortunately UK is not included) http://www.vwl.uni-muenchen.de/ls_komlos/obesity.pdf The graphs start on p13. Interestingly this is a research paper into the links between money and obesity. Finland, Germany and Spain all have obesity problems too. Jo --- Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote: > > That reminds me of the PBS series where the modern > folks went back to live as homesteaders ... one guy > lost 30 lbs ... REALLY hard labor! > > I'm not sure it's fair to say this is a " normal " > life > for humans though. Farm life is VERY hard compared > to a hunter-gatherer -- the neolithic folks probably > > didn't get fat or get diabetes much, but they > weren't > near as healthy as the paleos. > > I also notice the lack of snacking and that they > eat lots of fruits and vegies. The French have a > very > low rate of obesity also, without all the hard > work, but they also lack snacks. > ________________________________________________________________________ Messenger - Communicate instantly... " Ping " your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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