Re: Food and UNdesired sleep

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In a message dated 1/9/04 11:39:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,

mfjewett@... writes:

> So, is there a point to this, you ask? Is there an actual question you

> have, Ms. Jewett? Well, yes, there is! I was wondering if anyone had

> any suggestions for things to try that might minimize this instantaneous

> sleepy-headedness after eating ... at least for the time it takes to get

> the rest of me back in order. About the only thing I can " eat " without

> falling asleep right now is a glass of raw milk.

It sounds, Ms. Jewett, like you'd be a good candidate for the Warrior Diet.

Food tends to induce sleepiness, but to different degrees with different

people. That's oddly interesting that *milk* of all things is the one thing you

can have without sleepiness!!! Have you tried snacking on coconut oil? I use

coffee, celery, and coconut oil, predominantly, during my undereating phase.

Chris

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well, in that case, and since you mention digestion problems also, you

could contemplate douglass' milk diet. if you have access to lots and lots

of raw milk, it might work for you.

At 11:26 AM 1/9/2004, you wrote:

>So, is there a point to this, you ask? Is there an actual question you

>have, Ms. Jewett? Well, yes, there is! I was wondering if anyone had

>any suggestions for things to try that might minimize this instantaneous

>sleepy-headedness after eating ... at least for the time it takes to get

>the rest of me back in order. About the only thing I can " eat " without

>falling asleep right now is a glass of raw milk.

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At 11:36 AM 1/9/04 -0500, you wrote:

> well, in that case, and since you mention digestion problems also, you

> could contemplate douglass' milk diet. if you have access to lots and lots

> of raw milk, it might work for you.

Hmmmmm. I'm not familiar with that specifically, but then again I'm

completely new at this, too, so I'm sure I'll catch up eventually. I

understand the concept, though, and it's certainly something to think about

- thanks!

My first thought other than that, though, is that it's entirely possible

that my freezer that's overflowing with nice lovely grass-fed beef, lamb

and pork might take exception to being ignored that way. Not that I

hold long conversations with my freezer, mind you. Generally it just

tells me to eat more - usually by tossing things at me every time I open

the door. :-D

MFJ

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>I should say that in the past, I WAS probably eating a lot of bread etc.

>stuff at any given meal, so that might have had something to do with it.

>But the couple of times I've experimented just over the last couple of

>weeks seem to have the same result anyway - no matter what I ate. I know

>that at this point, my digestion is pretty bad, and I'm working on that - I

>was thinking that perhaps part of the problem is that it's SO bad that it

>makes that much MORE of the energy go to working on processing what I just

>ate.

The fact " your digestion is bad " is probably a clue. I'd tackle THAT

first. My guesses would be:

1. Food intolerance/allergy (wheat is the biggie, and it is in EVERYTHING,

but corn, yeast, soy, and even rice can be problematic).

2. Lack of enzymes or HCL

3. Lack of probiotics

As for eating only in the evening to avoid getting sleepy ...

that is a great reason to eat in the evening! Food does seem

to slow a person down. Eating salads might work ... a big

green salad with raw garlic, oil, and vinegar (and maybe

nuts etc.) doesn't put me to sleep. Jerky doesn't either,

or fruit. Most other things do.

Keeping a food diary is good. There are some foods

that give me " instant sniffles " which is not a good thing!

Drinking a glass of wine with a meal helps, as does

a nice dish of kimchi. And/or something like BioGest,

which has HCL and enzymes in it. And someone just had

good results with taking B6 and zinc ... I don't know

about those in particular, but B vites in general will make you more

" peppy " .

-- Heidi

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Tryptophan in the milk when you drink it alone doesn't make you sleepy?

Maybe effect is less with raw, fat counteracting. Eat pretty much the same

cycle as you to avoid energy loss and because doing differently didn't work

to feel or digest better. In the morning before I go to work 6:30 AM I eat

about a third, 2 oz. of Thai Kitchen pure coconut milk, 5.5 oz can is only

one with no guar gum. Getting my energy from glycogen not glucose like

before when diet was carb heavy. Around 11 I eat an avocado and about 4

slices of raw cheese. This holds me till around 4 with no crashes that make

me want sugar. Depending on how I feel when I start supper about 4 I may

have some more coconut milk or cheese while waiting for it to cook. Supper,

is high protein, more fatty the better, butter on just about everything,

more avocado in salad if I have, some raw milk which I don't drink till I

feel thirsty, sign of getting full. Potato or winter squash carb is plenty.

Rarely I want something else later. Usually will go for yogurt, nut butter

on celery or with apple, a tin of mackerel or more cheese and avocado.

Wanita

> I was wondering if anyone had

> any suggestions for things to try that might minimize this instantaneous

> sleepy-headedness after eating ... at least for the time it takes to get

> the rest of me back in order. About the only thing I can " eat " without

> falling asleep right now is a glass of raw milk.

>

>

>

> MFJ

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At 09:47 AM 1/9/04 -0800, you wrote:

>The fact " your digestion is bad " is probably a clue. I'd tackle THAT

>first. My guesses would be:

>

>1. Food intolerance/allergy (wheat is the biggie, and it is in EVERYTHING,

> but corn, yeast, soy, and even rice can be problematic).

>2. Lack of enzymes or HCL

>3. Lack of probiotics

Yep. I just recently had a whole blood screening done and run through the

Health Equations indices, and that's how I found out just HOW bad my

digestion is. ... and when I say " recently " , I mean REALLY recently -

like, two weeks ago. We're still waiting on the results of a couple of

follow-up tests to find out if there's something even scarier going on, but

for now I'm working with what we already have. I should also note that my

little journey into nutritional solutions only started about four months

ago or so ... made a lot of dietary changes due to recent diagnosis of

hypothyroidism (which I'd ignored the symptoms of for years, more fool me),

then have made more over the last few weeks, too, based on that screening.

So I'm not doing wheat (except small amounts of flour occasionally in

gravy or something). Most of what I'm eating now is basically grass-fed

meats, organic eggs, raw milk cheeses and raw milk. Most of my veggies

come from things I sprout myself (and I'm supposed to completely avoid

fruit, at least for now).

Like I said, I'm not terribly up on the science at the moment, but I'm

thinking that a lot of the enzyme issues will be helped and/or resolved

over time with the raw dairy and things like sprouting, yes? So all in

all, hopefully that part will take care of itself. But (yep, Clueless

One here) ... what's HCL and what are probiotics?

>

>Eating salads might work ... a big

>green salad with raw garlic, oil, and vinegar (and maybe

>nuts etc.) doesn't put me to sleep.

Actually, that's a really good idea. IIRC, when I used to eat most of my

meals at my desk, I didn't have the same sleepiness problem when I was

bringing salads for lunch. Not sure if that had to do with the fact

that it took me longer to eat them or not, but I'll definitely try that

again, thanks!

>

>Keeping a food diary is good. There are some foods

>that give me " instant sniffles " which is not a good thing!

I did do one for a few weeks when I was having trouble when I started the

thyroid meds and supplements - at THAT time I was waking up constantly.

Experimented a bit and solved that particular problem. ... but I

think I need to start a new one again.

>

>Drinking a glass of wine with a meal helps, as does

>a nice dish of kimchi. And/or something like BioGest,

>which has HCL and enzymes in it. And someone just had

>good results with taking B6 and zinc ... I don't know

>about those in particular, but B vites in general will make you more

> " peppy " .

I've also learned not to take my second dose of vitamins and sech too late

in the day - they make me TOO peppy!

MFJ

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At 12:52 PM 1/9/04 -0500, you wrote:

> Tryptophan in the milk when you drink it alone doesn't make you sleepy?

Nope, apparently not. It seems to be an issue only with " solid " food,

and it doesn't seem to make a difference even if it's just a small amount

(at least not with what I've tried to date). The last time I

experimented with that, all I ate was about an ounce of homemade breakfast

sausage and one egg - with a glass of raw milk after. I was so proud of

myself for actually getting myself to eat " breakfast " , even though it was

closer to noon by the time I'd worked myself up to it LOL - and then an

hour or so later I was happily napping. But the milk alone doesn't seem

to do it.

I guess I'll also try small amounts of cheese or something too, at

intervals (although I think I'd have to probably do even less than you

are), along with Heidi's suggestion of green salads. I certainly eat

enough sprout salads to be able to accomodate that!

Oh, and thanks for reminding me to go find some avocados.

MFJ

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At 03:24 PM 1/9/04 EST, wrote:

>That's oddly interesting that *milk* of all things is the one thing you

can have without sleepiness!!!

Why is the milk bit significant? (and I've never denied being odd)

MFJ

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really?

coconut oil? like, just right there from the jar?

i mean, i've tasted it while cooking or whatever, but...hm. it's kind of...

really? coconut oil?

At 03:24 PM 1/9/2004, you wrote:

> Have you tried snacking on coconut oil? I use

>coffee, celery, and coconut oil, predominantly, during my undereating phase.

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You mentioned thyroid in another post. Do you do any coconut? If not check

the archives for coconut oil or do google search on coconut oil .When I can

do otherwise I don't get Thai Kitchen coconut milk. Buying your mainstays

here more important. I had some thyroid issue that improved with coconut.

Was first thing different I did in my diet so I could pinpoint results. Carb

cravings went away in a few days to where I'd look at pastry and go yuk.

Felt real hunger instead of the my stomach wants more carbs hunger. Get my

avocadoes at Trader Joe's if you have one nearby. Have found their's to be

best flavor, never bad and best price too. Sometimes I don't eat a whole

avocado or as much cheese. Do physical work so if you're more sedentary less

would be better. Sounds like you've got good enzyme sources from all the raw

and sprouts.

Wanita

> At 12:52 PM 1/9/04 -0500, you wrote:

> > Tryptophan in the milk when you drink it alone doesn't make you

sleepy?

>

>

> Nope, apparently not. It seems to be an issue only with " solid " food,

> and it doesn't seem to make a difference even if it's just a small amount

> (at least not with what I've tried to date). The last time I

> experimented with that, all I ate was about an ounce of homemade breakfast

> sausage and one egg - with a glass of raw milk after. I was so proud of

> myself for actually getting myself to eat " breakfast " , even though it was

> closer to noon by the time I'd worked myself up to it LOL - and then an

> hour or so later I was happily napping. But the milk alone doesn't seem

> to do it.

>

> I guess I'll also try small amounts of cheese or something too, at

> intervals (although I think I'd have to probably do even less than you

> are), along with Heidi's suggestion of green salads. I certainly eat

> enough sprout salads to be able to accomodate that!

>

> Oh, and thanks for reminding me to go find some avocados.

>

> MFJ

>

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Dear Ms. Jewett,

> Why is the milk bit significant? (and I've never denied being odd)

It puts most everyone else to sleep!

> Any moment in which you feel like dancing is a perfect moment.

I feel like dancing often.

Chris

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Katja wrote:

>really?

>coconut oil? like, just right there from the jar?

>i mean, i've tasted it while cooking or whatever, but...hm. it's kind of...

>really? coconut oil?

Dear Katja,

Yes. Really. :-)

Chris

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Dedy wrote:

>~~~ I can't eat straight coconut oil either... recently tried eating small

chunks of '>creamed coconut'... I find it much more palatable... it's 67% fat

so a lot closer to >coconut oil than coconut milk which only has 17% -20% fat.

Dedy,

What brand CO were you using? I found Spectrum nauseating; but, I'm

currently using Tree of Life, which I suspect might be repackaged TT, and I

don't mind

it at all. I had the exciting opportunity of eating a sample packet of

Coconut Oil Supreme once, though, and it was heavenly.

Chris

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Hi-

If you have piles of money to burn, you could get yourself tested for

stomach acid levels. Alternately, you could try stomach acid

supplementation and see whether it helps.

> was wondering if anyone had

>any suggestions for things to try that might minimize this instantaneous

>sleepy-headedness after eating ... at least for the time it takes to get

>the rest of me back in order.

-

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katja wrote -- << really? coconut oil? like, just right there from the jar?

i mean, i've tasted it while cooking or whatever, but...hm. it's kind of...

really? coconut oil?>>

~~~ I can't eat straight coconut oil either... recently tried eating small

chunks of 'creamed coconut'... I find it much more palatable... it's 67% fat so

a lot closer to coconut oil than coconut milk which only has 17% -20% fat.

Dedy

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>~~~ I can't eat straight coconut oil either... recently tried eating small

chunks of 'creamed coconut'... I find it much more palatable... it's 67% fat so

a lot closer to coconut oil than coconut milk which only has 17% -20% fat.

>

>Dedy

You can also melt it and add cocoa powder, a little maple syrup, nuts, and

coconut

and freeze it in candy wrappers or muffin cups ... instant " chocolates " only

better ...

-- Heidi

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>I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for things to try that might

minimize this instantaneous sleepy-headedness after eating ... at least for the

time it takes to get the rest of me back in order. About the only thing I

can " eat " without

falling asleep right now is a glass of raw milk.

~ MFJ

I've always felt sleepy after lunch. Once an Ayurvedic doctor said it's because

I had used up all my digestive energy at breakfast and didn't have enough left

for lunch. So maybe your digestion is weak. I think it takes longer than 2

weeks to fix though. Perhaps stick to the Warrior Diet and try some

hydrochloric acid. Seems to have fixed my problem.

Filippa