Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 I'm stuck in a bit of a catch-22 that I'd really appreciate some help with. Though I haven't actually gotten myself tested, I'm all but positive my stomach acid production is severely deficient. For one thing, though I eat plenty of protein (some kind of beef or other ruminant meat almost every day, 6+ eggs almost every day, sausage almost every day, some raw proteinaceous animal foods most or at least many days, etc.) I have various signs of protein malabsorption and insufficiency. I also have poor digestion and very, very frequent food poisoning, and the food poisoning problem has gotten appreciably worse over the last few years (possibly sparked by a period spent taking Singulair, an asthma medication) as my symptoms of protein malabsorption have cropped up and worsened. Pancreatin and probiotic supplementation help somewhat, but they only ameliorate the problems, they don't eliminate them, and they obviously haven't stopped the worsening of certain conditions. The dilemma I have is that while HCl supplementation radically improves some problems, it creates others, and those others have plagued me every time I've tried it without fail. First, the good. I haven't had the runs once during any trial run of HCl supplementation, and in fact I've had perfectly-formed stools without fail, something that almost never happens otherwise. I also don't get tired after a large meal (even a REALLY large meal of 3-4,000 calories -- I'm 6'3 " or 6'4 " and about 215#, so I'm always going to need a lot of food, particularly if I lose a bit more fat and put on some extra muscle) whereas I often would otherwise, even a very low-carb meal. Furthermore, I have more energy and seem to be getting more benefit from the food I eat. The bad, unfortunately, is very bad. Despite the alternate-medicine view that acid reflux problems are often or always the result of stomach acid insufficiency, HCl supplementation seems to cause reflux in me even though I either never have it otherwise or only have it at undetectable levels. Worse yet, it's getting into my lungs. On another trial run I was stuck in an extremely moldy place and didn't realize that the lung symptoms I was experiencing were largely due to the HCl and not entirely caused by the mold until I got very, very sick. (I've had asthma all my life, sometimes very bad, and mold is one of the most powerful triggers for me.) This time around I've taken less and made sure to only take it after big meals, but the problem is still developing, just more slowly. Obviously I can't continue this supplementation indefinitely without doing something about the reflux, but I also can't very well just give up on the digestion problem either. I'm stuck between a rock and a rock, and I'd very much appreciate any advice or suggestions any of you can offer. Are there other forms of HCl that might be friendlier to my system? Do I need to get a doctor to peer down my throat to see if there's some kind of defect with my lower esophageal sphincter? If so, what can even be done about that? I'd imagine surgery would be quite costly, and most medical types would just want to put me on acid inhibitors or antacids anyway, which would be patently disastrous. I expect some of you will suggest Zypan, the Standard Process pancreatin & HCl supplement, but I've already tried it, and I can only assume that the amounts of pancreatin and HCl it contains are in line with the amounts of vitamins and minerals and whatnot in other SP products -- practically homeopathic in their near-absence -- because I didn't noticed any kind of positive reaction to it, and when I substituted Zypan for my normal pancreatin supplement, I started getting my old pre-pancreatin-supplement symptoms back after awhile. To be fair, I never took more than 3 tablets with a meal, so maybe I would've benefited from a much higher dose, but at that level the cost would start getting absurd and unmanageable, and I'd be concerned about the amount of honey I'd wind up having with every meal, since those tablets are very sweet. After the discussion of pyroluria here on the list, I recently started supplementing with fairly high levels of zinc and B6 to see what happens, but I haven't had time for any results to develop. (I don't know that I have pyroluria, though the symptoms seem like a very good fit, and an even better fit for some family members) but since zinc and B6 are essential to the production of HCl and digestive enzymes and I'm pretty clearly severely deficient in both I thought it would be a worthwhile experiment. But at best that's a long-term solution when I really need a shorter-term one if at all possible. TIA, - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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