Education in Nutrition

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

In March 2003, I have a followed a certification at the CHEK

Institute (http://www.chekinstitute.com/practnutrition.cfm) called

Nutrition and Lifestyle Coaching for Optimal Health. It was the best

thing I have done for my self in my life. It was great. Now, I also

have a Bachelor degree in Business. My goal is to get more knowledge

in Nutrition in order to understand the body and how to help others

achieve health.

I would like your insights on some big decision I have to make. I

would be pleased if you could help me decide what kind of program

should I follow, considering I want to get more in-depth knowledge

and understanding of the body and nutrition.

I want to follow a distance learning program and I am thinking of 2

choices. I have considered enrolling the Master's Degree in Holistic

Health at Clayton College of Natural Health or getting my

Naturopathic degree in a school here in Quebec. So basically, I

don't know if I should do a Masters Degree in Holistic Nutrition or

if I should become a Naturopath ?

Anybody can help me with that big decision ???

Thank you very much,

Audette

Montreal, Quebec-Canada

Coordinator

Pilates Center of Montreal

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Greetings. I live in Calgary, Alberta. I envy you being able to go

to school and take the programs you are looking at. We have Wild

Rose College here in Calgary and I would love to take their courses.

However I qualify as a health consultant now and was offered a couple

of jobs. But the pay so little compared to accounting so I can't

afford to do it as full time work.

I don't if any of us would have the information you do to advise

you. All I can suggest is that you write down the pros and cons for

each school and see what you come up with.

Cheers, Bee

> Hello everyone,

>

> In March 2003, I have a followed a certification at the CHEK

> Institute (http://www.chekinstitute.com/practnutrition.cfm) called

> Nutrition and Lifestyle Coaching for Optimal Health. It was the

best

> thing I have done for my self in my life. It was great. Now, I also

> have a Bachelor degree in Business. My goal is to get more

knowledge

> in Nutrition in order to understand the body and how to help others

> achieve health.

>

> I would like your insights on some big decision I have to make. I

> would be pleased if you could help me decide what kind of program

> should I follow, considering I want to get more in-depth knowledge

> and understanding of the body and nutrition.

>

> I want to follow a distance learning program and I am thinking of 2

> choices. I have considered enrolling the Master's Degree in

Holistic

> Health at Clayton College of Natural Health or getting my

> Naturopathic degree in a school here in Quebec. So basically, I

> don't know if I should do a Masters Degree in Holistic Nutrition or

> if I should become a Naturopath ?

>

> Anybody can help me with that big decision ???

>

> Thank you very much,

>

> Audette

> Montreal, Quebec-Canada

> Coordinator

> Pilates Center of Montreal

[Guest guest]

> I would like your insights on some big decision I have to make. I

> would be pleased if you could help me decide what kind of program

> should I follow, considering I want to get more in-depth knowledge

> and understanding of the body and nutrition.

>

> I want to follow a distance learning program and I am thinking of 2

> choices. I have considered enrolling the Master's Degree in

Holistic

> Health at Clayton College of Natural Health or getting my

> Naturopathic degree in a school here in Quebec. So basically, I

> don't know if I should do a Masters Degree in Holistic Nutrition or

> if I should become a Naturopath ?

>

> Anybody can help me with that big decision ???

>

---->hi julie,

if it were me, i'd choose the naturopathic school assuming it was a

rigorous program. i've checked out the clayton program in the past

and i think it's little more than a rent-a-degree to have some

initials after your name deal. it's not serious as far as i can tell,

and i wouldn't expect to learn much there. If you want a better

holistic nutrition program, check out edison in canada

(http://www.edisoninst.com/). they're also not as rigorous as i would

like, but looks a hell of a lot better than clayton, imo.

best of luck,

suze

[Guest guest]

Hello Suze,

thank you for your advices. So you think I'm better off with the

training at Edison Institute? It's true that it looks very good and

also, I could be a Registered Nutritional Consulting Practitioner

(RNCP). And it's less expensive too and it's Canadian, which might

be better for me. Plus I they are also offering the Master Degree

when the Practionner Level is completed...so it sounds very good.

But as good as a Naturopathic Degree?

Have a good day,

Audette

Montreal, Quebec

>

> > I would like your insights on some big decision I have to make.

I

> > would be pleased if you could help me decide what kind of

program

> > should I follow, considering I want to get more in-depth

knowledge

> > and understanding of the body and nutrition.

> >

> > I want to follow a distance learning program and I am thinking

of 2

> > choices. I have considered enrolling the Master's Degree in

> Holistic

> > Health at Clayton College of Natural Health or getting my

> > Naturopathic degree in a school here in Quebec. So basically, I

> > don't know if I should do a Masters Degree in Holistic Nutrition

or

> > if I should become a Naturopath ?

> >

> > Anybody can help me with that big decision ???

> >

>

>

> ---->hi julie,

>

> if it were me, i'd choose the naturopathic school assuming it was

a

> rigorous program. i've checked out the clayton program in the past

> and i think it's little more than a rent-a-degree to have some

> initials after your name deal. it's not serious as far as i can

tell,

> and i wouldn't expect to learn much there. If you want a better

> holistic nutrition program, check out edison in canada

> (http://www.edisoninst.com/). they're also not as rigorous as i

would

> like, but looks a hell of a lot better than clayton, imo.

>

> best of luck,

>

> suze

[Guest guest]

hi julie,

>

> thank you for your advices. So you think I'm better off with the

> training at Edison Institute?

------->better off than clayton - yes. of all the distance learning

programs i've looked at thus far, edison seems to be the best in it's

class and price range. there are some others that are more rigorous,

but very pricey, which i personally cannot afford right now.

It's true that it looks very good and

> also, I could be a Registered Nutritional Consulting Practitioner

> (RNCP). And it's less expensive too and it's Canadian, which might

> be better for me. Plus I they are also offering the Master Degree

> when the Practionner Level is completed...so it sounds very good.

-------->they may not be your typical mainstream nutrition school

either, at least not completely. i think i noticed one of the texts

is ravnskov's " cholesterol myths " IIRC. that's a good sign, although

i wouldn't expect the curriculum or instructors to be WAPF-friendly

based on that. i think you can study with them (or any mainstream or

semi-mainstream school) and ignore some of the misinformation that

you're already aware of, (lowfat, etc) and still get a decent

foundation.

> But as good as a Naturopathic Degree?

----->i think that really depends on what YOU want. as a naturopathic

doctor your practice would not be limited to nutritional healing

alone. however, i think if you go to naturopathic school, it should

be a certified program. i don't know anything about canadian schools,

but in the US there are only 4 certified naturopathy schools, but

there are other naturopathy programs. the problem with non-certified

programs is that you can't practice legally as a naturopathic doctor.

so, if you think that you want to practice nutritional healing only,

then nutrition school would make the most sense, imo. but if you want

to practice other modalities then a certified naturopathy school

would make more sense. if $ is a consideration, i'm pretty sure the

naturopathy program would be much more costly and time consuming, for

that matter.

there *are* NDs who primarily or only practice nutritonal healing

such as Ron Schmid out of CT. he's also a total WAPF ND. so, you

could still do nutritonal counseling as your base even if you get an

ND degree. I've bantied around the idea of doing one or the other of

these. i'd love to do the ND path, but it's too pricey for me, so in

all likelihood i'll do the nutritionist path.

HTH :-)

suze

[Guest guest]

thought dr. Byrnes ran a nutrition school... just checked his web-site [

http://www.powerhealth.net/ ]... no mention of any course...

does anybody know anything about this?

Dedy

[Guest guest]

> thought dr. Byrnes ran a nutrition school... just checked

his web-site [ http://www.powerhealth.net/ ]... no mention of any

course...

>

> does anybody know anything about this?

>

> Dedy

>

------->yes, it's an uncertified ND program, run from some religous

group or something. or maybe it just has a religious name. i reviewed

the curriculum several months ago, and although it's from a WAPF

perspective, i came to the conclusion it's no more reputable than

clayton. my friend took a course and it was a joke. having said that,

i like dr. byrne's work, his website, his writings. i just wouldn't

enroll in his school if i wanted a decent nutrition/ND education.

(btw, he studied at edison years ago.)

suze

[Guest guest]

As someone who spends my liesure time reading nutrition boards I too would love

to

do nutrition professionally. Time/money to get more educated is an impediment

but

my biggest concern is liabiliy. Granted things are shifting toward a lower carb

pardigm (but the mainstream still calls the alternative 'high-protein diet'

NEVER 'high-

fat diet'). I always think of worst cases, such as what if you tell someone to

eat atkins-

style and they happen to have a heart attack soon after. Or if someone drinks

raw

milk or homemade kefir on your advice, and gets sick for whatever reason. Seems

like

those scenarios could lead to a lawsuit and there wouldn't be malpractice

insurance

either. I saw an ayurvedic practioner once who made me sign a release form

saying

'this is not to be taken as medical advice' (which was a lie given how she

practiced,

but that's a different story). Anyone who is, or wants to be, a nutritionist

-- I'd be

interested in your regarding liability with respect to the advice you give.

Daphne

>

> there *are* NDs who primarily or only practice nutritonal healing

> such as Ron Schmid out of CT. he's also a total WAPF ND. so, you

> could still do nutritonal counseling as your base even if you get an

> ND degree. I've bantied around the idea of doing one or the other of

> these. i'd love to do the ND path, but it's too pricey for me, so in

> all likelihood i'll do the nutritionist path.

>

> HTH :-)

>

> suze

[Guest guest]

> As someone who spends my liesure time reading nutrition boards I

too would love to

> do nutrition professionally. Time/money to get more educated is an

impediment but

> my biggest concern is liabiliy. Granted things are shifting toward

a lower carb

> pardigm (but the mainstream still calls the alternative 'high-

protein diet' NEVER 'high-

> fat diet'). I always think of worst cases, such as what if you tell

someone to eat atkins-

> style and they happen to have a heart attack soon after. Or if

someone drinks raw

> milk or homemade kefir on your advice, and gets sick for whatever

reason. Seems like

> those scenarios could lead to a lawsuit and there wouldn't be

malpractice insurance

> either.

----->hi daphne, edison has a course on the legalities of practicing

nutritional counseling. it's called " jurisprudence " and the course

description is:

" JURS1 Jurisprudence

How to run a legally sound nutritional practice. Legal pitfalls and

how to avoid them. Regulations that affect the (a) giving of

nutritional advice, ( recommending or selling supplements, and ©

collecting specimens from the human body. Text: How to Give

Nutritional Advice Legally, by W. Rowland, PhD. "

IIRC, i've seen another course at a similar nutritional school.

>>>I saw an ayurvedic practioner once who made me sign a release form

saying

> 'this is not to be taken as medical advice' (which was a lie given

how she practiced,

> but that's a different story).

------->i had to sign a similar release when i hired a holistic vet,

who was not only a certified conventional vet, but a certified ND. I

didn't mind, i knew it was just a legality. just my personal thoughts

on the matter. i'm not worried about this issue if i practice

nutritional counselling for dogs and/or humans (i'm considering both,

currently). it seems like it can be done legally, without unwarranted

fear of liability. sheesh, if anyone should be worried about harming

the public, it should be conventional docs, who are one of the top 3

killers in the US according to mercola!

suze