Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Mike wrote: >I bet there are a lot of good brains that go to waste. But not on this list! Thanks for all the good info :-) and the K9's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 In a message dated 1/2/05 7:08:32 AM Mountain Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: > I > do believe that there are biochemical imbalances in the brain in > severly depressed people but the reality is that these drugs have > side effects that are not highlighted on the box! > There is no substantive proof that a chemical imbalance is responsible for depression or any other mood disorder. This is total drug company propaganda. I just read an article about some new modality, it wasn't a drug, but I can't remember what it was, and the blurb said, " Perhaps this will help scientists understand what causes depression. " OH???? I thought they knew! Of course they don't know. " Blind Reason " a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 I don't think they do know what causes depression but I think they do know that Serotonin is low in people who are depressed so they use the simplest cause and effect rationale to deduce that: 1) if depressed people have low brain Serotonin levels then simply by adding Serotonin to their brains, then their depression should be 'cured' It's like reverse deductive reasoning, which even in logic doesn't always work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 I don't think they do know what causes depression but I think they do know that Serotonin is low in people who are depressed so they use the simplest cause and effect rationale to deduce that: 1) if depressed people have low brain Serotonin levels then simply by adding Serotonin to their brains, then their depression should be 'cured' It's like reverse deductive reasoning, which even in logic doesn't always work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 No, they don't know that serotonin is low in people with depression. They're guessing. Serotonin might be low in some people with depression. Might. If they knew serotonin definately was low in people with depression, they could perform some sort of test and make a definitive diagnosis. But they don't know that. I did read one article that says SSRIs cause an increase in the number of serotonin receptors ......in mice. And the mice stopped being depressed when they were given the the SSRIs. (Ok, we won't even get into how one diagnoses a mouse with depression. Since you can't talk to a mouse, it's probably based on lethargy which is not a particularly accurate way of diagnosing depression in mice or humans. Who knows what's really wrong with these mice? What the hell is depression really anyway?) Even assuming that the same thing happens in humans, that it is a good thing and that it does indeed relieve depression, questions remain: How long will the body continue to increase the number of serotonin receptors while taking the SSRI? Is there a limit to the number of receptors the body can produce? Should produce? Is there a point at which the large number of receptors is a negative thing? (Did I hear a bunch of people just yell " YES!!!! " ) And what happens when someone who doesn't have a serotonin shortage or a serotonin receptor shortage -- if indeed that is related to depression to begin with -- is given these drugs? > > > > I don't think they do know what causes depression but I think they do > know that Serotonin is low in people who are depressed so they use > the simplest cause and effect rationale to deduce that: > > 1) if depressed people have low brain Serotonin levels then simply by > adding Serotonin to their brains, then their depression should > be 'cured' > > It's like reverse deductive reasoning, which even in logic doesn't > always work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 No, they don't know that serotonin is low in people with depression. They're guessing. Serotonin might be low in some people with depression. Might. If they knew serotonin definately was low in people with depression, they could perform some sort of test and make a definitive diagnosis. But they don't know that. I did read one article that says SSRIs cause an increase in the number of serotonin receptors ......in mice. And the mice stopped being depressed when they were given the the SSRIs. (Ok, we won't even get into how one diagnoses a mouse with depression. Since you can't talk to a mouse, it's probably based on lethargy which is not a particularly accurate way of diagnosing depression in mice or humans. Who knows what's really wrong with these mice? What the hell is depression really anyway?) Even assuming that the same thing happens in humans, that it is a good thing and that it does indeed relieve depression, questions remain: How long will the body continue to increase the number of serotonin receptors while taking the SSRI? Is there a limit to the number of receptors the body can produce? Should produce? Is there a point at which the large number of receptors is a negative thing? (Did I hear a bunch of people just yell " YES!!!! " ) And what happens when someone who doesn't have a serotonin shortage or a serotonin receptor shortage -- if indeed that is related to depression to begin with -- is given these drugs? > > > > I don't think they do know what causes depression but I think they do > know that Serotonin is low in people who are depressed so they use > the simplest cause and effect rationale to deduce that: > > 1) if depressed people have low brain Serotonin levels then simply by > adding Serotonin to their brains, then their depression should > be 'cured' > > It's like reverse deductive reasoning, which even in logic doesn't > always work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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