Re: Re: Re: Low-content posts

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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:27:47 -0800

" Kathy " <kacheson@...> wrote:

><<I'm not a digest reader, but have noticed lots of

>people don't snip their posts, and on a list this

>busy, I would never go to digest purely for that

>reason>>

>

>Wow. I am on several lists that are high volume. If i got them all as single

>posts i would have virtually 100's everyday.

>When i get a digest that is really junked up i just toss it. With this list

>due to topics i am not interested in and the non snipping problems i only

>really read or see it about 30% of the time.

>

>Kathy

In many email clients, it is pretty easy to set up a separate folder for

each list, so that even if you receive them individually, they all go to

one folder and don't clutter your inbox.

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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:19:34 -0800

" Kathy " <kacheson@...> wrote:

>

><<In many email clients, it is pretty easy to set up a separate folder for

>each list, so that even if you receive them individually, they all go to

>one folder and don't clutter your inbox.

>

>

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>>>

>

>Could be - don't know and really have no desire to do it. Doesn't that come

>down to accommodating those who don't give a rip and have no desire nor

>reason to change? Could that be called self centered? Common courtesy

>dictates that you look beyond yourself and TRIM your posts.

I would generally agree. But it could be laziness or ignorance or a host

of other things as well which is why I mentioned my ideas for posting as

suggestions, not command from Mt. Sinai.

Nonetheless my comments to you had nothing to do with trimming posts. I

already stated my piece about the subject in an earlier message about

posting.

I was simply referring to your comment about what would happen if you

got all your email individually. It doesn't matter to me one way or

another how you do it, but I was just offering a suggestion in case the

sheer volume was the main reason you were in digest mode. If not, then

just ignore what I said.

>

>There is a lot i could learn form this list but if " the few " can't get

>their heads out of the clouds and think about what they are doing then i

>have no problem with moving on to something more congenial.

>

>Kathy A. who is not into pointless head banging

Well that certainly is an option! <g>

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My lists are in separate folders as a way to make it easier and faster for

me to read one list at a time instead of having them all thrown together in

the Inbox. Then I can further sort by subject. I would do this even if all

posts were prepared as I suggested in my previous email.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

From: Kathy [mailto:kacheson@...]

<<In many email clients, it is pretty easy to set up a separate folder for

each list, so that even if you receive them individually, they all go to

one folder and don't clutter your inbox.

>>

Could be - don't know and really have no desire to do it. Doesn't that come

down to accommodating those who don't give a rip and have no desire nor

reason to change? Could that be called self centered? Common courtesy

dictates that you look beyond yourself and TRIM your posts.

There is a lot i could learn form this list but if " the few " can't get

their heads out of the clouds and think about what they are doing then i

have no problem with moving on to something more congenial.

Kathy A. who is not into pointless head banging

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I do that with Outlook. IncrediMail does it, too. Then when there are a

zillion posts in one list I sort by subject and toss the subjects I'm not

particularly interested in.

Another annoyance is having to scroll through a very long post to find a

one-liner reply at the bottom. Such as: " Good response. " If I have do a

bunch of scrolling before I see a response I just pitch it.

Almost as bad is that same one-liner with the entire previous message

removed.

If the response is to a long message I don't mind a paragraph-by-paragraph

response. It makes it easy to follow the conversation.

My ideal is:

Respond at the top, unless the original is very long. Then respond by

paragraphs.

Clip everything from the original message that is not being responded to.

Leave enough of the original message to so readers know what you are talking

about.

And lastly, but far from leastly, please sign your posts.

Thank you,

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

In many email clients, it is pretty easy to set up a separate folder for

each list, so that even if you receive them individually, they all go to

one folder and don't clutter your inbox.

Superhero Bush Rescues Marriage

http://tinyurl.com/yvrn6

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In a message dated 1/19/04 2:00:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

heidis@... writes:

> Could we maybe just vote on this? I'm willing to do either --

> I don't mind scrolling, I don't mind top-reading -- but

> it would be nice to have an " agreed on standard " so

> I don't feel guilty ...

We could, but if we vote for top-posting I'm not going to do it.

Chris

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Judith Alta wrote:

> My ideal is:

> Respond at the top, unless the original is very long. Then respond by

> paragraphs.

This makes a huge mess when someone responds to your post, especially if

he wants to respond to points in the original post, too. Also,

top-posting tends to discourage trimming. That said, bottom-posters who

don't trim when appropriate should be shot. Maybe just with pepper-spray

guns--I haven't really thought about it much.

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I have to agree with the idea of getting single posts and having them sorted

into folders by your email program.

Digests are awful,

Anyone who had set up proper folders for their groups would never go back to

using a digest.

At the moment I have 97 folders and associated message rules setup in outlook

express that automatically sort messages into their

own seperate folders as they are recieved. I could never plod through that many

digests everyday.

The biggest thing I think would be being able to view messages by thread. That

sorts every message into a tree grouping that can be

expanded or collapsed along with all replies to any of the messages. You can

also sort your messages and message threads by subject,

by time recieved or sent, by the person who posted the message(from), by size,

etc. You don't sort no digest no how, you just plod

through the endless lines of text, eek!, lol.

Regards, Bruce

From: " Judith Alta "

> My lists are in separate folders as a way to make it easier and faster for

> me to read one list at a time instead of having them all thrown together in

> the Inbox. Then I can further sort by subject. I would do this even if all

> posts were prepared as I suggested in my previous email.

>

> Judith Alta

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>My ideal is:

>Respond at the top, unless the original is very long. Then respond by

>paragraphs.

>Clip everything from the original message that is not being responded to.

>Leave enough of the original message to so readers know what you are talking

>about.

>And lastly, but far from leastly, please sign your posts.

>Thank you,

Could we maybe just vote on this? I'm willing to do either --

I don't mind scrolling, I don't mind top-reading -- but

it would be nice to have an " agreed on standard " so

I don't feel guilty ...

(I DO agree with trimming, obviously. In Eudora, if you select

the text you want and then hit " reply " , only the selected text

is used).

-- Heidi

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Why don't we just agree to disagree and trim our posts properly. Then it

won't matter if replies appear at top or bottom.

I'm a top poster, and plan to stay that way.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

From: ChrisMasterjohn@... [mailto:ChrisMasterjohn@...]

In a message dated 1/19/04 2:00:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

heidis@... writes:

> Could we maybe just vote on this? I'm willing to do either --

> I don't mind scrolling, I don't mind top-reading -- but

> it would be nice to have an " agreed on standard " so

> I don't feel guilty ...

We could, but if we vote for top-posting I'm not going to do it.

Chris

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And isn't it self-centered for expect others to do their work for them?

If a person cannot take a few simple steps to make it easier for that person

to sort and read their email they should not expect others to do it for

them.

Trimming posts is also self-serving. It makes it easier to read the replies.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

From: Kathy [mailto:kacheson@...]

Could be - don't know and really have no desire to do it. Doesn't that come

down to accommodating those who don't give a rip and have no desire nor

reason to change? Could that be called self centered? Common courtesy

dictates that you look beyond yourself and TRIM your posts.

There is a lot i could learn form this list but if " the few " can't get

their heads out of the clouds and think about what they are doing then i

have no problem with moving on to something more congenial.

Kathy A. who is not into pointless head banging

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Thank you, Bruce.

Excellent description of why I choose to get individual emails.

And to add insult to injury all the junk that is appended to the bottom

every email is repeated after every email in digest.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

From: Bruce Stordock [mailto:stordock@...]

I have to agree with the idea of getting single posts and having them sorted

into folders by your email program.

Digests are awful,

Anyone who had set up proper folders for their groups would never go back to

using a digest.

At the moment I have 97 folders and associated message rules setup in

outlook express that automatically sort messages into their

own seperate folders as they are recieved. I could never plod through that

many digests everyday.

The biggest thing I think would be being able to view messages by thread.

That sorts every message into a tree grouping that can be

expanded or collapsed along with all replies to any of the messages. You can

also sort your messages and message threads by subject,

by time recieved or sent, by the person who posted the message(from), by

size, etc. You don't sort no digest no how, you just plod

through the endless lines of text, eek!, lol.

Regards, Bruce

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Voting would accomplish nothing. People would still do it the way they've

always done it. And how would get a vote from new members? Ask for it on

signup?

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

From: Heidi Schuppenhauer [mailto:heidis@...]

Could we maybe just vote on this? I'm willing to do either --

I don't mind scrolling, I don't mind top-reading -- but

it would be nice to have an " agreed on standard " so

I don't feel guilty ...

(I DO agree with trimming, obviously. In Eudora, if you select

the text you want and then hit " reply " , only the selected text

is used).

-- Heidi