Re:Menopause question +dairy hormones- Suze

[Guest guest]

> can remember. but a few months ago i started using natural

progesterone

> cream, and now i can't even tell when i'm about to menstruate -

all my

> premenstrual symptoms (that i'd had forever) have disappeared. the

---> I used natural progest. cream when I was attempting to deal

with my fibroid naturally before giving up and having it removed. I

couldn't tell a difference on any of my PMS symptoms but swollen

tender breasts weren't an issue then. That was 6 years ago and at

the time I didn't know a thing about NT, was still eating soy and

vegetarain so who knows what effect it really was having.

One concern I've had with progestrone is the tendency to build in

one's system. My mother had this problem after using it for awhile

and needed to go off it. I've just left it alone but think I will

give it a second chance. I just get nervous adding with hormonal

stuff as I've had a bunch of problems in the past and solved most of

them now. Only hormonal problem now is this past 2 year development

of boobs to-die-for that turn on me once a month!

I'm not working with Dr. Ron yet but he's high on my list as a

possibility. Actually it been following some of your e-mails on his

work with you that put him high on my radar. I need to call and see

if he'll work long distance with me as I'm in Atlanta.

I believe he put you on indole. Are you still using it and do you

feel it's made a difference or do you think the progesterone cream

has been the real help?

> it's also a good idea to reduce your xeno hormone load - and

reduce those

> already accumulated.

-----> Oh yeah! My husband does air pollution work so we know all

the invisible little stuff that can getcha out there! Since we're in

one of the worst polluted cities we filter all our indoor air and

air in our cars. I keep a quiet filter going in my classroom. We've

reduced the load in our house, water and food supply as much as I

know how with tight product investigations before we do any

purchases. Expensive time-consuming pain the neck but worth it!

Thanks for your help!

Lynn

[Guest guest]

--->One concern I've had with progestrone is the tendency to build in

one's system. My mother had this problem after using it for awhile

and needed to go off it. I've just left it alone but think I will

give it a second chance. I just get nervous adding with hormonal

stuff as I've had a bunch of problems in the past and solved most of

them now.

------->my understanding is that you're supposed to use it for a limited

time, then go off it. I plan to only do it for 3 months, then gauge my

symptoms thereafter. you should talk to terry on the chapter leader list -

she got me started on it. she recommended a much smaller dose than i'm

taking, but after reading the john lee book, I decide to take their

recommended dose because of what they (lee et all) wrote about MORE estrogen

building up *initially* and that you have to get past that stage to reap the

benefits of progesterone cream. I don't remember exactly what they wrote

about this and my book is on loan to my dog sitter, so I can't look it up

right now.

>>>>I'm not working with Dr. Ron yet but he's high on my list as a

possibility. Actually it been following some of your e-mails on his

work with you that put him high on my radar. I need to call and see

if he'll work long distance with me as I'm in Atlanta.

--->yes, he will. i'm working with him long distance from maine.

>>>I believe he put you on indole. Are you still using it and do you

feel it's made a difference or do you think the progesterone cream

has been the real help?

---->I just stopped recently due to the expense. that stuff is expensive and

I realized I couldn't continue with it. I took it for about 2 months and

can't say I noticed any effect. but I *definitely* noticed an effect from

the progesterone cream. however, since i'm on a number of supplements now,

it's possible that some of the other ones that I had been taking before the

progesterone cream were just beginning to have an effect. nonetheless, I

suspect it's the progesterone cream that has really affected my PMS

symptoms. one thing to note, it's important to get truly *natural*

progesterone cream and it seems according to dr. lee et al, even though

labels may state progesterone cream is natural, it may not be.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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[Guest guest]

I've got a bottle of the vitE/progesterone drops that Ray Peat

recommends. Somewhere I heard he did the orginal research on

progesterone that Lee used. DOn't know if that's really true or not.

How long aftering starting before you noticed something?

Do you know anything about the vitE/progesterone drops that you rub

into your gums? That's what Peat recomends. I believe Peat says it

can change things rather quickly which is why I've been leary of

using it.

I think expense is what kept me from ordering the indole and trying

it. I'm already on some mighty expensive supplements LOL.

Supplements and food take the biggest bit out of our budget!

Lynn

> --->One concern I've had with progestrone is the tendency to build

in

> one's system. My mother had this problem after using it for awhile

> and needed to go off it. I've just left it alone but think I will

> give it a second chance. I just get nervous adding with hormonal

> stuff as I've had a bunch of problems in the past and solved most

of

> them now.

>

> ------->my understanding is that you're supposed to use it for a

limited

> time, then go off it. I plan to only do it for 3 months, then

gauge my

> symptoms thereafter. you should talk to terry on the chapter

leader list -

> she got me started on it. she recommended a much smaller dose than

i'm

> taking, but after reading the john lee book, I decide to take their

> recommended dose because of what they (lee et all) wrote about

MORE estrogen

> building up *initially* and that you have to get past that stage

to reap the

> benefits of progesterone cream. I don't remember exactly what they

wrote

> about this and my book is on loan to my dog sitter, so I can't

look it up

> right now.

>

> >>>>I'm not working with Dr. Ron yet but he's high on my list as a

> possibility. Actually it been following some of your e-mails on his

> work with you that put him high on my radar. I need to call and see

> if he'll work long distance with me as I'm in Atlanta.

>

> --->yes, he will. i'm working with him long distance from maine.

>

> >>>I believe he put you on indole. Are you still using it and do

you

> feel it's made a difference or do you think the progesterone cream

> has been the real help?

>

> ---->I just stopped recently due to the expense. that stuff is

expensive and

> I realized I couldn't continue with it. I took it for about 2

months and

> can't say I noticed any effect. but I *definitely* noticed an

effect from

> the progesterone cream. however, since i'm on a number of

supplements now,

> it's possible that some of the other ones that I had been taking

before the

> progesterone cream were just beginning to have an effect.

nonetheless, I

> suspect it's the progesterone cream that has really affected my PMS

> symptoms. one thing to note, it's important to get truly *natural*

> progesterone cream and it seems according to dr. lee et al, even

though

> labels may state progesterone cream is natural, it may not be.

>

>

>

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

> Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

> http://www.westonaprice.org

>

> ----------------------------

> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol

cause

> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our

times. " --

> Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at

Vanderbilt

> University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>

> The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

> <http://www.thincs.org>

> ----------------------------

[Guest guest]

>I've got a bottle of the vitE/progesterone drops that Ray Peat

>recommends. Somewhere I heard he did the orginal research on

>progesterone that Lee used. DOn't know if that's really true or not.

>How long aftering starting before you noticed something?

sorry to take so long to respond lynn. i think i noticed improvement when i

had my first cycle after taking it.

>Do you know anything about the vitE/progesterone drops that you rub

>into your gums? That's what Peat recomends. I believe Peat says it

..can change things rather quickly which is why I've been leary of

using it.

haven't heard of it.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------