Re: Advice please on Salofalk (pentasa) - HELEN

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Hi Helen,

If the behaviours started before you took out the calcium, then maybe gut bugs??

Have you tried dioxychlor?? I think Mandimart is now stocking it. If you are just starting the K2 protocol, then I will talk you through the stages if you like. If you have already started the K2, then I would recommend that you add in some Cod Liver Oil, if you're at 1 drop of K2, then probably 1 capsule of CLO would be sufficient at this stage.

When you start using K2, you will start to move some calcium, so I would also establish your magnesium dosing pretty early. Magnesium will keep him calm as the intracellular calcium is moved. Eleanor takes about 700mg spread throughout the day, she weighs 60lbs, but she is on her maximum K2, so you may not need this high a dose to start with.

If your boy has previously reacted to VSL#3, then consider the possibility that you broke up some calcium oxalate crystals, therefore releasing some unmanaged calcium. Under these circumstances, I would recommend that K2 is well established before you try VSL#3 again. (consider that it also may have been a good die-off??)

Also consider at this stage getting your bicarb established. If your boy will take it in water, then you can just use bicarbonate of soda from the cooking aisle in the supermarket. However, it tastes pretty vile, so you can order capsules. Klaire laboratories stock it, or wellnessworks. Start very slowly, and also consider adding some to his bath. You can get the bath bicarb from justasoap. This will help his kidneys to excrete acid, which will make him feel a whole lot better, and eventually reduce the severity of any renal and metabolic acidosis.

Hope this is enough to get you started!!

Joy x

Hi JoyThanks so much for replying. Yes I have got a copy of the protocol.I have answered these questions in block capitals. Not sure how to highlight them. They are mostly no's as haven't started any of the other things yet...just thought i'd take Cal out. Do other things have to be in place at the time of taking out the CAL EAP2? I only added in K2 (1 drop) yesterday but behaviour and weeing started before this (ie when took out Cal I think).Thanks so much for your help.Helen x

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Hi Joy

Thanks so much for replying. Yes I have got a copy of the protocol.

I have answered these questions in block capitals. Not sure how to

highlight them. They are mostly no's as haven't started any of the

other things yet...just thought i'd take Cal out. Do other things

have to be in place at the time of taking out the CAL EAP2? I only

added in K2 (1 drop) yesterday but behaviour and weeing started

before this (ie when took out Cal I think).Thanks so much for your

help.

Helen x

>

>

>

> Hi Helen,

>

> Just afew questions to work out what's happening.

>

> Is he on VSL#3?? NO . TRIED IN PAST AND REACTED BADLY

> Are you balancing the K2 with vits A and D in the form of CLO??NO

> Have you used the calculations for your dosing?? NO

> Are you using magnesium?? NO

> Have you got your bicarb in?? NO

> Did you get the copy of the full protocol?? YES !!!

>

> As K2 starts to move the calcium, it will increase hyperactivity

which is

> why we give large doses of magnesium to close the calcium channels.

This stops

> the nerves being stimulated by the moving calcium. Magnesium will

also help

> keep his bowels frequent.

> Weeing for England would be due to the kidney's inability to

excrete acid,

> hence you are just moving the acid around. This will cause

irritability.

> Taking the calcium out of his current protocol is just part of the

story, we have

> to make sure everything else is in place too.

> HTH,

> Joy x

>

>

> >

> > Wondering if anyone can help. Firstly, has been on

> > Salofalk/mesalazine for his colitis for 20 days now. School have

> > reported he is calmer which is great. Having read up a lot about

Vit K2

> > protocol and heard Joy's excellent presentation, took Calcium

out a

> > week ago. fine for a few days, couldn't see that he was

> > noticably calmer but all ok. BUT in last few days i've noticed

he's

> > really up tight, on the move constantly, v tense, short fuse and

WEEING

> > for England with lots of accidents. Also bowel movements slowed

right

> > down.

> > Question is.. does anyone know if this could be related to

Pentasa (i

> > know it can affect the kidneys) or due to Calcium coming out. I

started

> > restarted vit K2 yesterday as want to pursue this protocol.

> > Also v interested in the Adrenal cortex but 1 thing at a

time....Any

> > advice much appreciated. Thanks

> >

> > Helen x

> >

>

>

>

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Thanks Joy so much

The behaviours and weeing happened when we took the Cal EAP2 out I

think.

Re Cod liver oil . Have used Kirkman CLO in the past. Would 1 tsp

equate to 1 cap?

Re Mag. Thinking you use Mag EAP2? Are doses all based on weight?

Could you point me in the direction of the web site to access these

quantities please.

Can you mix Bicarb in with friut puree or will it all froth up?!!

Thanks for all your help. Am now going to read up on protocol again.

Hope Eleanor is continuing to do really well.

Helen x

>

> In a message dated 07/07/2008 19:10:19 GMT Daylight Time,

> olivers4@... writes:

> Hi Helen,

> If the behaviours started before you took out the calcium, then

maybe gut

> bugs??

> Have you tried dioxychlor?? I think Mandimart is now stocking it.

If you

> are just starting the K2 protocol, then I will talk you through

the stages if

> you like. If you have already started the K2, then I would

recommend that you

> add in some Cod Liver Oil, if you're at 1 drop of K2, then probably

1 capsule

> of CLO would be sufficient at this stage.

>

> When you start using K2, you will start to move some calcium, so I

would

> also establish your magnesium dosing pretty early. Magnesium will

keep him calm

> as the intracellular calcium is moved. Eleanor takes about 700mg

spread

> throughout the day, she weighs 60lbs, but she is on her maximum K2,

so you may not

> need this high a dose to start with.

>

> If your boy has previously reacted to VSL#3, then consider the

possibility

> that you broke up some calcium oxalate crystals, therefore

releasing some

> unmanaged calcium. Under these circumstances, I would recommend

that K2 is well

> established before you try VSL#3 again. (consider that it also may

have been a

> good die-off??)

>

> Also consider at this stage getting your bicarb established. If

your boy

> will take it in water, then you can just use bicarbonate of soda

from the

> cooking aisle in the supermarket. However, it tastes pretty vile,

so you can order

> capsules. Klaire laboratories stock it, or wellnessworks. Start

very slowly,

> and also consider adding some to his bath. You can get the bath

bicarb from

> justasoap. This will help his kidneys to excrete acid, which will

make him

> feel a whole lot better, and eventually reduce the severity of any

renal and

> metabolic acidosis.

>

> Hope this is enough to get you started!!

> Joy x

>

> Hi Joy

> Thanks so much for replying. Yes I have got a copy of the protocol.

> I have answered these questions in block capitals. Not sure how to

> highlight them. They are mostly no's as haven't started any of the

> other things yet...just thought i'd take Cal out. Do other things

> have to be in place at the time of taking out the CAL EAP2? I only

> added in K2 (1 drop) yesterday but behaviour and weeing started

> before this (ie when took out Cal I think).Thanks so much for your

> help.

> Helen x

>