Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Quack: 1. Your Statement: " The " lowest level of observed effects " when applied to animals, who are voiceless, describes levels at which immediate biophysical effects can be ascertained. However, for a human, " lowest level of observed effect " might more appropriately be looked at as the level at which some activity of life was seriously impacted, like the ability to work or the ability to enjoy ones life and thrive.. or recover from an illlness instead of merely survive.. " RESPONSE: Perhaps you missed my post on the LOAEL and the specific endpoints (072008) Decreased food consumption Decreased thyroid wt and alpha-globulin Increased T4, serum-albumin, and A/G Ratio These are objective measures, and measures of activity of life - unlike " perceptions " . [Note: I use perceptions on a case-by-case basis not on a population basis] And as I posted awhile back there are standard neurotox-behavioral tests that are used these days to estimate the more subtle responses. 2. Your Statement: The " like the ability to work or the ability to enjoy ones life and thrive " . RESPONSE They are quality measures comparable with " Nuisance " effects not toxicity effects. 3. Your Statement: " like the ability to work or the ability to enjoy ones life and thrive " RESPONSE: Perhaps you haven't worked in a typical US company, but stress and enjoying ones-self are a part of the job and of life. Think about this question - Perhaps you are inhibiting my ability to enjoy life and I should remove you? 4. Your Statement: " Mold exposure may be far higher during say, a windstorm, than on a calm morning.. Thousands of times higher.. " RESPONSE: Inside or outside? If inside, could you substantiate your claim? If outside, do you wish to regulate nature too? My, my. Tony ....................................................................... " Tony " Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE pH2, LLC 5250 E US 36, Suite 830 Avon, IN 46123 www.ph2llc.com off fax cell 90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any consultant can give you the other 10%(SM) This message is from pH2. This message and any attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information, and are intended only for the individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you are not the addressee, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, you are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute this message and any attachments, and we ask that you please delete this message and attachments (including all copies) and notify the sender by return e-mail or by phone at . Delivery of this message and any attachments to any person other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive confidentiality or a privilege. All personal messages express views only of the sender, which are not to be attributed to pH2 and may not be copied or distributed without this statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Steve. thank you. I'm just trying to claw my way back to health.. basically.. I saw another interesting paper yesterday.. this one is on ochratoxin A. There are a huge number of papers on ochratoxin A, and a leading researcher on OTA (he works for a major agricultural testing firm) told me that he has found high levels of OTA in homes - very high levels.. This was in Toxicological Sciences.. The PDF is a free download.. Reduction in Antioxidant Defenses may Contribute to Ochratoxin A Toxicity and Carcinogenicity http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/96/1/30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 LiveSimply wrote: > I'm just trying to claw my way back to health.. basically.. Sickbuildings Group Mon Oct 2, 2006 43722 Re: Fired Due to Environmental Illnesses!! WHen is Enough, Enough! > , > What do you recommend for people who can't practice extreme avoidance, for example, people whose work ends up exposing them to low levels of mold. > For example, before I got sick, I could go into any building without > any problems, but now, its not infrequent that when I go into > businesses that I get sick. I dread the idea of having to work in > those places but when I get better enough to start really looking for work I very well might end up having to. > > What do people in that situation do? > ------------------------------------------------------ That's when you absolutely MUST practice a strategy of extreme avoidance and make a concerted effort at monitoring and controlling your exposure at ALL times so that you can build up enough reserve to tolerate some limited exposure at OTHER times, just as I'm doing now. At this moment I am in a building that used to knock me flat in minutes, and now I can work all day here. But to do that, I " balance the books " by constantly looking at indicators of exposure that are usually more subtle that ones people are usually referring to. Responding to minor perceptive " Hits " instead of just major " Slams " . People tend to quickly jump to the conclusion that they already know what I am describing when I say " extreme avoidance " , often thinking that this just means a " tent out in the desert " , even though this is not what I actually said: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/sickbuildings/message/32214 -MW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 >Science is a wonderful tool, and I couldn't possibly respect Tony's grasp of>scientific principals more than I do, however, just as anecdotal evidence>alone cannot explain all events I don't think that science can either. It can explain a hell of a lot though, I believe we could at least understand mold related illness as well as we understand Parkinson's or alzheimer's, or MS, which is a lot better than we understand it now. Nothing is going to happen if we don't break though this ignorance barrier, physicians have to understand this illness is real and profound and every day they ignore it is another day thousands if not maybe millions suffer to a large degree needlessly. Christ , In my opinion, therein lies the great mystery. I believe that not only are there synergistic effects of combinations of exposures, but that the chronology of exposures of various substances for some people may also play a role. Science is a wonderful tool, and I couldn't possibly respect Tony's grasp of scientific principals more than I do, however, just as anecdotal evidence alone cannot explain all events I don't think that science can either. There are just too many possible variables, not the least of which is individual biological make-up. To re-state an analogy previously made by someone else that is perhaps overly simplistic, most of us can eat peanuts or shrimp and not be affected. Many people have eaten either or both and not been affected, yet find themselves suddenly in a crisis because of an allergy that has developed for no explainable reason. Yes, we humans know a lot, and can explain and understand a plethora of things about our world by applying sound scientific principals. But not everything. Cheers, Chuck Reaney Re: Detection of satratoxin g and h in indoor air from a water-da... Tony, Seems you left a few key elements out of your equation: What is the minimum dose of exposure to these airborne toxins before human illness occurs when: a. there are other microbial contaminants that could cause a synergistic effect with these airborne toxins that are found in water damaged buildings. b. each individual's immune system is different, causing different doses to elicit symptoms. c. people are exposed via all routes of exposure simultaneously, so to only calculate out the numbers for the two airborne toxins and conclude anything one way or the other, does not tell the true story. d. people are exposed for varying amounts of time to these toxins in water damaged buildings e. one cannot determine the absence or existence of the dose of airborne mycotoxins in a water damaged building to cause human illness - based on toxicological extrapolations alone. It ain't science. Add the above variables into the equation, come up with a legt dose before human illness occurs from the scenario and maybe you have got something. But otherwise - in the words of a friend - it is a " red herring " to use the calculations you just did to conclude implausibility of resultant human illness from exposure of the airborne toxins in the study as they relate to HUMAN exposure in water damaged buildings. But... that is some pretty math. Too bad it doesn't mean anything of relevance in the big picture. Sharon In a message dated 7/16/2008 7:31:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, aahavics@... writes: Quack: Regarding: Mycopathologia. 2008 Aug;166(2):103-7. Epub 2008 Apr 29. Detection of satratoxin g and h in indoor air from a water-damaged building. 1. Let's see: 0.25 ng/m3 + 0.43 ng/m3 = 0.68 ng/m3 2. Then let's assume 20m3/day for a 55 kg woman (more conservative than a man). ng/m3 m3 ng kg mg/kg 0.68 20 13.6 55 0.0000010 So dose is 0.000001 mg/kg. 3. The smallest LOAEL I could find for a mycotoxin is: LOAEL is DON = 0.03 mg/kg (28-day study) 4. So the safety factor is: 30,000 5. Try again. ....................................................................... " Tony " Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE pH2, LLC 5250 E US 36, Suite 830 Avon, IN 46123 www.ph2llc.com off fax cell 90% of Risk Management is knowing where to place the decimal point...any consultant can give you the other 10%(SM) This message is from pH2. This message and any attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information, and are intended only for the individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you are not the addressee, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, you are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute this message and any attachments, and we ask that you please delete this message and attachments (including all copies) and notify the sender by return e-mail or by phone at . 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Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Tony, I don't know if you can see it, but to my eyes, you are taking what I say and trying to trivialize it. I'm just trying to point out some of the (to me, obvious) shortcomings with your kind of thinking. Its not scientific in that it ignores known experience and obviously attempts to obscure with logical fallacies some very important issues. I'm not an expert and I don't pretend to be. I don't have infinite resources, I am just giving my observations as to the kinds of biases that pseudo 'scientific' " risk managers " are bringing to the table, with terrible impact on public health. You are approaching this with a huge ingrained bias, you see that, don't you? Ultimately, its going to reflect very badly on your profession. Because these issues real and they are effecting a LOT of people, nationally and globally. People's lives are being destroyed needlessly. > Quack: > > 1. Your Statement: > > " The " lowest level of observed effects " when applied to animals, who > are voiceless, describes levels at which immediate biophysical effects > can be ascertained. > > However, for a human, " lowest level of observed effect " might more > appropriately be looked at as the level at which some activity of life > was seriously impacted, like the ability to work or the ability to > enjoy ones life and thrive.. or recover from an illlness instead of > merely survive.. " > > RESPONSE: > > Perhaps you missed my post on the LOAEL and the specific endpoints (072008) > > Decreased food consumption > Decreased thyroid wt and alpha-globulin > Increased T4, serum-albumin, and A/G Ratio > > These are objective measures, and measures of activity of life - unlike > " perceptions " . > > [Note: I use perceptions on a case-by-case basis not on a population basis] > > And as I posted awhile back there are standard neurotox-behavioral tests > that are used these days to estimate the more subtle responses. > > 2. Your Statement: > > The " like the ability to work or the ability to enjoy ones life and thrive " . > > RESPONSE > > They are quality measures comparable with " Nuisance " effects not toxicity > effects. > > 3. Your Statement: > > " like the ability to work or the ability to enjoy ones life and thrive " > > RESPONSE: > > Perhaps you haven't worked in a typical US company, but stress and enjoying > ones-self are a part of the job and of life. Think about this question - > Perhaps you are inhibiting my ability to enjoy life and I should remove you? > > 4. Your Statement: > > " Mold exposure may be far higher > during say, a windstorm, than on a calm morning.. Thousands of times > higher.. " > > RESPONSE: > > Inside or outside? > If inside, could you substantiate your claim? > If outside, do you wish to regulate nature too? My, my. > > Tony > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 There is a large body of research that shows that trichothecenes are strongly potentiated by bacterial endotoxins like LPS. That reaction, in and of itself, would explain many of the effects caused by water damaged buildings. But, somehow, the powers that be (the same powers that be that are admittedly, deliberately, ignoring many other health problems which impact the industrial sphere) have managed to overlook these synergisms when setting policy, with the assistance of many. Toxicol Sci. 2007 Aug;98(2):526-41. Epub 2007 May 4. Links Neurotoxicity and inflammation in the nasal airways of mice exposed to the macrocyclic trichothecene mycotoxin roridin a: kinetics and potentiation by bacterial lipopolysaccharide coexposure. Islam Z, Amuzie CJ, Harkema JR, Pestka JJ. Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition, Michigan State University, East Lansing, Michigan 48824, USA. Macrocyclic trichothecene mycotoxins produced by indoor air molds potentially contribute to symptoms associated with damp building illnesses. The purpose of this investigation was to determine (1) the kinetics of nasal inflammation and neurotoxicity after a single intranasal instillation of roridin A (RA), a representative macrocyclic trichothecene; and (2) the capacity of lipopolysaccharide (LPS) to modulate RA's effects. C57Bl/6 female mice were intranasally instilled once with 50 mul of RA (500 mug/kg body weight [bw]) in saline or saline only and then nose and brain tissues were collected over 72 h and processed for histopathologic and messenger RNA (mRNA) analysis. RA-induced apoptosis specifically in olfactory sensory neurons (OSNs) after 24 h postinstillation (PI) causing marked atrophy of olfactory epithelium (OE) that was maximal at 72 h PI. Concurrently, there was marked bilateral atrophy of olfactory nerve layer of the olfactory bulbs (OBs) of the brain. In the ethmoid turbinates, upregulated messenger RNA (mRNA) expression of the proapoptotic gene FAS and the proinflammatory cytokines tumor necrosis factor-alpha, interleukin (IL)-6, IL-1, and macrophage inhibitory protein-2 was observed from 6 to 24 h PI, whereas expression of several other proapoptotic genes (PKR, p53, Bax, and caspase-activated DNAse) was detectable only at 24 h PI. Simultaneous exposure to LPS (500 ng/kg bw) and a lower dose of RA (250 mug/kg bw) magnified RA-induced proinflammatory gene expression, apoptosis, and inflammation in the nasal tract. Taken together, the results suggest that RA markedly induced FAS and proinflammatory cytokine expression prior to evoking OSN apoptosis and OE atrophy and that RA's effects were augmented by LPS. PMID: 17483119 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINEJ Food Prot. 2006 Jun;69(6):1334-9.Links Deoxynivalenol and satratoxin G potentiate proinflammatory cytokine and macrophage inhibitory protein 2 induction by Listeria and Salmonella in the macrophage. Mbandi E, Pestka JJ. Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition and Center for Integrative Toxicology, Michigan State University, East Lansing, Michigan 48824, USA. Health risks from microbial pathogens and toxins encountered in food and the environment continue to be of worldwide concern. The purpose of this research was to test the hypothesis that trichothecene mycotoxins amplify inflammatory responses to foodborne bacterial pathogens. We assessed the capacity of deoxynivalenol (DON) and satratoxin G (SG) to potentiate chemokine and proinflammatory cytokine production in RAW 264.7 murine macrophages induced by Listeria monocytogenes and Salmonella Typhimurium. When macrophage cultures were incubated with killed irradiated suspensions of the pathogens for 24 h, the minimum Listeria concentrations for induction of macrophage inhibitory protein 2 (MIP-2), interleukin-1beta (IL-beta), IL-6, and tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNF-alpha) were 0.01, 0.01, 1.0, and 1.0 microg/ml (P < 0.05) and the minimum Salmonella concentrations were 0.01, 0.01, 0.1, and 0.1 microg/ml, respectively (P < 0.05). Induction of all four mediators by both pathogens was potentiated by DON (at 100 and 250 ng/ml); observed responses were significantly higher than predicted additive responses (P < 0.05). SG (at 2 and 5 ng/ml) also significantly amplified induction of IL-1beta and TNF-alpha (P < 0.05) by both Listeria and Salmonella. These results indicate that DON encountered in Fusarium-contaminated food and SG from Stachybotrys-contaminated indoor environments could magnify innate inflammatory responses to foodborne bacterial pathogens. PMID: 16786854 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE](this following one is free)http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pmidlookup?view=long & pmid=16687389 Toxicol Sci. 2006 Aug;92(2):445-55. Epub 2006 May 9. Links Toll-like receptor priming sensitizes macrophages to proinflammatory cytokine gene induction by deoxynivalenol and other toxicants. Pestka J, Zhou HR. Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition, and Center for Integrative Toxicology, Michigan State University, East Lansing, 48824, USA. pestka@... Activation of the innate immune system might predispose a host to toxicant-induced inflammation. In vitro macrophage models were employed to investigate the effects of preexposure to Toll-like receptor (TLR) agonists on induction of proinflammatory cytokine gene expression by the trichothecene mycotoxin deoxynivalenol (DON) and other toxicants. Priming of the murine RAW 264.7 macrophage line or peritoneal murine macrophages with the TLR4 agonist lipopolysaccharide (LPS) at 100 ng/ml for 4, 8, and 16 h significantly increased DON-induced IL-1beta, IL-6, and TNF-alpha mRNA expression as compared to LPS or DON alone. The minimum LPS concentration for sensitization of both cell types was 1 ng/ml. LPS priming also potentiated IL-1beta mRNA induction by DON in human whole-blood cultures, suggesting the relevance of the murine findings. As observed for LPS, preexposure to TLR agonists including zymosan (TLR2), poly (I:C) (TLR3), flagellin (TLR5), R848 (TLR7/8), and ODN1826 (TLR9) sensitized RAW 267.4 cells to DON-induced proinflammatory gene expression. Amplified proinflammatory mRNA expression was similarly demonstrated in LPS-sensitized RAW 264.7 cells exposed to the microbial toxins satratoxin G, Shiga toxin, and zearalenone as well as the anthropogenic toxicants nickel chloride, triphenyltin, 2,4-dinitrochlorobenzene, and 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzodioxin. The results suggest that prior TLR activation might render macrophages highly sensitive to subsequent induction of proinflammatory gene expression by xenobiotics with diverse mechanisms of action. PMID: 16687389 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Toxicol In Vitro. 2006 Sep;20(6):899-909. Epub 2006 Mar 6. Links In vitro effects of trichothecenes on human dendritic cells. Hymery N, Sibiril Y, Parent-Massin D. Laboratoire de Toxicologie Alimentaire, EA 3880 Université de Bretagne Occidentale, Technopôle Brest-Iroise 29280 Plouzané, France. The aim of this work was to study the in vitro effects of trichothecenes on human dendritic cells. Trichothecenes are mycotoxins produced by fungi such as Fusarium, Myrothecium, and Stachybotrys. Two aspects have been explored in this work: the cytotoxicity of trichothecenes on immature dendritic cells to determine IC 50 (inhibition concentration), and the effects of trichothecenes on dendritic cell maturation process. Two mycotoxins (T-2 and DON) known to be immunotoxic have been tested on a model of monocyte-derived dendritic cells culture. Cytotoxic effects of T-2 toxin and DON on immature dendritic cells showed that DON is less potent than T-2 toxin. The exposure to trichothecenes during dendritic cell maturation upon addition of LPS or TNF-alpha markedly inhibited the up-regulation of maturation markers such as CD-86, HLA-DR and CCR7. Features of LPS or TNF-alpha -mediated maturation of dendritic cells, such as IL-10 and IL-12 secretions and endocytosis, were also impaired in response to trichothecenes treatment. These results suggest trichothecenes have adverse effects on dendritic cells and dendritic cell maturation process. PMID: 16517116 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Toxicol Appl Pharmacol. 2006 Feb 15;211(1):53-63. Epub 2005 Jul 11. Links LPS priming potentiates and prolongs proinflammatory cytokine response to the trichothecene deoxynivalenol in the mouse. Islam Z, Pestka JJ. Department of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics, Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI 48824, USA. Simultaneous exposure to lipopolysaccharide (LPS) markedly amplifies induction of proinflammatory cytokine expression as well as IL-1-driven lymphocyte apoptosis by trichothecene deoxynivalenol (DON) in the mouse. The purpose of this research was to test the hypothesis that LPS priming will sensitize a host to DON-induced proinflammatory cytokine induction and apoptosis. In mice primed with LPS (1 mg/kg bw) ip. and treated 8 h later with DON po., the minimum DON doses for inducing IL-1alpha, IL-1beta, IL-6 and TNF-alpha serum proteins and splenic mRNAs were significantly lower than the DON doses required for vehicle-primed mice. LPS priming also decreased onset time and dramatically increased magnitude and duration of cytokine responses. LPS-primed mice maintained heightened sensitivity to DON for up to 24 h. LPS priming doses as low as 50 microg/kg bw evoked sensitization. DNA fragmentation analysis and flow cytometry also revealed that mice primed with LPS (1 mg/kg) for 8 h and exposed to DON (12.5 mg/kg) exhibited massive thymocyte loss by apoptosis 12 h later compared to mice exposed to DON or LPS alone. LPS priming decreased DON-induced p38 and ERK 1/2 phosphorylation suggesting that enhanced mitogen-activated protein kinase activation was not involved in increased cytokine responses. Taken together, exposure to LPS rendered mice highly susceptible to DON induction of cytokine expression and this correlated with increased apoptosis in the thymus. PMID: 16009389 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Chem Biol Interact. 2003 Oct 25;146(2):105-19. Links Potentiation of trichothecene-induced leukocyte cytotoxicity and apoptosis by TNF-alpha and Fas activation. Uzarski RL, Islam Z, Pestka JJ. Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition, Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI 48824, USA. Trichothecene mycotoxins cause immunosuppression by inducing apoptosis in lymphoid tissue. Trichothecene-induced leukocyte apoptosis can be augmented by bacterial lipopolysaccharide (LPS) but the mechanisms involved in this potentiating effect are not completely understood. The objective of this study was to test the hypothesis that the trichothecene deoxynivalenol (DON, vomitoxin) can interact with LPS directly and other mediators or agonists associated with immune/inflammatory responses to induce apoptosis in primary murine leukocyte cultures. Primary leukocyte suspensions were prepared from murine thymus (TH), spleen (SP), bone marrow (BM) and Peyer's patches (PP) and then cultured with DON in the absence or presence of LPS, prostaglandin E2 (PGE2), anti-immunoglobulin (as antigen mimic), dexamethasone, Fas ligand, or TNF-alpha. Cytotoxicity and apoptosis were evaluated by MTT assay and morphologic assays, respectively. DON was found to inhibit LPS-induced proliferation and dexamethasone-induced apoptosis in SP cultures. In contrast, potentiation of DON-induced apoptosis and cytotoxicity was observed in BM cultures treated with anti-Fas and in TH cultures treated with TNF-alpha. When potentiation of DON-induced apoptosis by TNF-alpha was assessed using pharmacological inhibitors, generation of ROS, intracellular Ca2+, p38/SAPK, and caspase-3 activation were found to play roles. Taken together, these data demonstrate that LPS and its downstream mediators can interact with trichothecenes to modulate proliferative, cytotoxic and apoptotic outcomes in leukocytes in a tissue-specific manner. PMID: 14597125 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Toxicol Sci. 2003 Jul;74(1):93-102. Epub 2003 May 28. Links Role of IL-1(beta) in endotoxin potentiation of deoxynivalenol-induced corticosterone response and leukocyte apoptosis in mice. Islam Z, Pestka JJ. Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition, Institute of Environmental Toxicology, Michigan State University, East Lansing, Michigan, 48824, USA. Endotoxin (lipopolysaccharide, LPS) and the trichothecenes are microbial toxins that are frequently encountered in food and the environment. Coexposure to LPS and the trichothecene deoxynivalenol (DON, vomitoxin) induces corticosterone-dependent apoptosis in thymus, Peyer's patches, and bone marrow in mice. The purpose of this study was to test the hypothesis that interleukin-1beta (IL-1beta) plays a central role in corticosterone induction and subsequent leukocyte apoptosis in this model. Coexposure to LPS (0.1 mg/kg, ip) plus DON (12.5 mg/kg, po) was found to significantly upregulate splenic IL-1beta mRNA and IL-1beta protein expression in B6C3F1 mice, as compared to treatments with vehicle or either of the toxins alone. B6.129S7-IL1r1tm1Imx mice, which are functionally deficient for the IL-1 receptor 1, produced significantly less corticosterone upon coexposure to LPS plus DON than did corresponding wild-type (WT) C57BL/6J mice. Consistent with these findings, IL-1 receptor 1-deficient mice were recalcitrant to apoptosis induction in leukocytes as determined by assessment of DNA fragmentation assay and flow cytometry. Furthermore, intraperitoneal injection of IL-1 receptor antagonist (100 microgram/mouse, twice at 3 h intervals) in B6C3F1 mice significantly inhibited LPS plus DON-induced increases in plasma corticosterone, as well as apoptosis in thymus, Peyer's patches, and bone marrow. To confirm IL-1beta's capacity to induce apoptosis, B6C3F1 mice were injected with the cytokine (500 ng/mouse, ip) three times at 2 h intervals, and then corticosterone and apoptosis were monitored. Plasma corticosterone levels and thymus and Peyer's patch apoptosis in IL-1beta-injected mice were significantly higher at 12 h than in control mice. Plasma adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH) levels in LPS plus DON-treated B6C3F1 mice did not correlate with the induction of plasma corticosterone or leukocyte apoptosis. Taken together, the results indicate that IL-1beta is an important mediator of LPS plus DON-induced corticosterone and subsequent leukocyte apoptosis and, furthermore, this cytokine possibly acts through an ACTH-independent mechanism. PMID: 12773775 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Toxicol Appl Pharmacol. 2003 Mar 1;187(2):69-79. Links Differential induction of glucocorticoid-dependent apoptosis in murine lymphoid subpopulations in vivo following coexposure to lipopolysaccharide and vomitoxin (deoxynivalenol). Islam Z, King LE, Fraker PJ, Pestka JJ. Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition, Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI 48824, USA. Lipopolysaccharide (LPS) and vomitoxin (VT) synergistically induce glucocorticoid- mediated apoptotic cell death in lymphoid tissues of the mouse. Based on the known effects of glucocorticoids, it was hypothesized that the combined exposure to LPS and VT targets immature lymphocyte populations. To test this hypothesis, we quantified the effects of VT and LPS on apoptosis induction in T lymphocyte subsets in thymus and B lymphocyte subsets in Peyer's patches and bone marrow. Flow cytometry revealed that a single dose of LPS (0.1 mg/kg body wt ip) together with VT (12.5 mg/kg body wt po) promoted apoptosis of immature (CD4(-)CD8(-), CD4(+)CD8(+)) and mature (CD4(-)CD8(+)) thymocytes at 12 h with a subsequent reduction of these populations being detectable at 24 h. RU 486, a glucocorticoid receptor antagonist, significantly abrogated apoptosis in CD4(-)CD8(-), CD4(+)CD8(+), and CD4(-)CD8(+) subsets and also prevented loss in cell numbers. In Peyer's patches, mature-B lymphocytes (B220(+)IgM(-)IgD(+)) underwent apoptosis and, in bone marrow, pro/pre-B lymphocytes (B220(+)IgM(-)IgD(-)) and mature-B lymphocytes (B220(+)IgM(-)IgD(+)) underwent apoptosis at 12 h after toxin co- exposure. RU 486 blocked LPS + VT-induced apoptosis of the aforementioned subsets in Peyer patches and bone marrow at 12 h. Taken together, these data suggest that LPS can interact with VT in mice to induce the glucocorticoid-driven apoptotic loss of immature thymocytes and cytotoxic T lymphocytes in thymus, mature-B lymphocytes in Peyer's patch, and pro/pre-B lymphocytes and mature-B lymphocytes in bone marrow in mice. PMID: 12649039 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] J Toxicol Environ Health A. 2003 Feb 28;66(4):379-91.Links Modulation of lipopolysaccharide-induced proinflammatory cytokine production by satratoxins and other macrocyclic trichothecenes in the murine macrophage. Chung YJ, Jarvis B, Pestka J. Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition, Institute for Environmental Toxicology, Michigan State University, East Lansing, Michigan 48824-224, USA. The satratoxins and other macrocyclic trichothecene mycotoxins are produced by Stachybotrys, a mold that is often found in water-damaged dwellings and office buildings. To test the potential immunomodulatory effects of these mycotoxins, RAW 264.7 murine macrophage cells were treated with various concentrations of satratoxin G (SG), isosatratoxin F (iSF), satratoxin H (SH), roridin A (RA), and verrucarin A (VA) for 48 h in the presence or absence of suboptimal concentra-tion of lipopolysaccharide (LPS, 50 ng/ml), and tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha ) and interleukin-6 (IL-6) production were assayed by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA). In LPS-stimulated cultures, TNF-alpha supernatant concentrations were significantly increased in the presence of 2.5, 2.5, and 1 ng/ml of SG, SH, and RA, respectively, whereas IL-6 concentrations were not affected by the same concentrations these macrocyclic trichothecenes. When cells that were treated with LPS and SG (2.5 ng/ml) were evaluated by real-time polymerase chain reaction (PCR),TNF-alpha mRNA was found to increase at 24, 36, and 48 h compared to control cells. At higher concentrations, cytokine production and cell viability were markedly impaired in LPS-stimulated cells. Without LPS stimulation, neither TNF-alpha, nor IL-6 was induced. These results indicate that low concentrations of macrocyclic trichothecenes superinduce expression of TNF-alpha, whereas higher concentrations of these toxins are cytotoxic and concurrently reduce cytokine production. The capacity of satratoxins and other macrocyclic trichothecenes to alter cytokine production may play an etiologic role in outbreaks of Stachybotrys-associated human illnesses. PMID: 12554543 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Toxicol Appl Pharmacol. 2002 Apr 1;180(1):43-55. Links Endotoxin potentiation of trichothecene-induced lymphocyte apoptosis is mediated by up-regulation of glucocorticoids. Islam Z, Moon YS, Zhou HR, King LE, Fraker PJ, Pestka JJ. Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition, Michigan State University, East Lansing, Michigan 48824-1224, USA. Exposure to bacterial endotoxin (lipopolysaccharide, LPS) is quite common and may increase human susceptibility to chemical-induced tissue injury. The purpose of this study was to identify mechanisms by which LPS potentiates lymphoid tissue depletion in B6C3F1 mice exposed to the common food-borne trichothecene mycotoxin, vomitoxin (VT). As demonstrated by DNA fragmentation and flow cytometric analysis, apoptosis in thymus, Peyer's patches, and bone marrow was marked in mice 12 h after administering Escherichia coli LPS (0.1 mg/kg body wt ip) concurrently with VT (12.5 mg/kg body wt po), whereas apoptosis in control mice or mice treated with either toxin alone was minimal. Based on observed increases in tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha) and interleukin (IL)-6 serum concentrations following LPS and VT cotreatment, the roles of these cytokines in apoptosis potentiation were assessed. Injection with rolipram, an inhibitor of TNF-alpha expression, or use of IL-6 knockout mice was ineffective at impairing thymic apoptosis induction by the toxin cotreatment, suggesting that these cytokines did not mediate LPS potentiation. Toxin cotreatment increased splenic cyclooxygenase-2 mRNA expression, suggesting possible involvement of prostaglandins in apoptosis. However, indomethacin, a broad spectrum inhibitor of cyclooxygenases, failed to block thymus apoptosis. Toxin cotreatment increased serum corticosterone and, furthermore, RU 486, a glucocorticoid receptor antagonist, significantly abrogated apoptosis in thymus, Peyer's patches, and bone marrow following LPS + VT exposure. The results presented herein and the known capacity of glucocorticoids to cause apoptosis indicate that hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis plays a key role in LPS potentiation of trichothecene-induced lymphocyte apoptosis. ©2002 Elsevier Science (USA). PMID: 11922776 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Toxicol Sci. 2000 Feb;53(2):253-63. Links Lipopolysaccharide and the trichothecene vomitoxin (deoxynivalenol) synergistically induce apoptosis in murine lymphoid organs. Zhou HR, Harkema JR, Hotchkiss JA, Yan D, Roth RA, Pestka JJ. Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition, Michigan State University, East Lansing 48824-1224, USA. Human exposure to Gram-negative bacterial lipopolysaccharide (LPS) is common and may have an important influence on chemical toxicity. LPS has been shown previously to enhance synergistically the toxicity of trichothecene mycotoxins. Because either of these toxin groups alone characteristically target lymphoid organs at high doses, we evaluated the effects of coexposure to subthreshold doses of Salmonella typhimurium LPS and vomitoxin (VT) administered by intraperitoneal injection and oral gavage of B6C3F1 mice, respectively, on apoptosis in lymphoid tissues after 12-h exposure. The capacity of LPS (0.5 mg/kg body weight) and VT (25 mg/kg body weight) to act synergistically in causing apoptosis in thymus, spleen, and Peyer's patches was suggested by increased internucleosomal DNA fragmentation in whole cell lysates as determined by gel electrophoresis. Following terminal deoxynucleotidyl transferase (TdT)-mediated fluorescein-dUTP nick end-labeling (TUNEL) of tissue sections, a dramatic enhancement of fluorescence intensity indicative of apoptosis was observed in thymus, spleen, Peyer's patches, and bone marrow from coexposed animals as compared to those given the agents alone. Evaluation of hematoxylin and eosin-stained tissue sections of treatment mice revealed the characteristic features of lymphocyte apoptosis, including marked condensation of nuclear chromatin, fragmentation of nuclei, and formation of apoptotic bodies in tissues from mice. Combined treatment with VT (25 mg/kg body weight) and LPS (0.5 mg/kg body weight) significantly increased (p<0.05) the amount of apoptotic thymic and splenic tissue as compared to the expected additive responses of mice receiving either toxin alone. When apoptosis was examined in cell suspensions of thymus, spleen, Peyer's patches, and bone marrow by flow cytometry in conjunction with propidium iodide staining, the percentage of apoptotic cells was significantly increased (p<0.05) in cotreatment groups as compared to the additive responses to LPS and VT given alone. The results provide qualitative and quantitative evidence for the hypothesis that LPS exposure markedly amplifies the toxicity of trichothecenes and that the immune system is a primary target for these interactive effects. PMID: 10696773 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Avian Dis. 1999 Oct-Dec;43(4):649-55.Links Short-term exposure to subacute doses of aflatoxin-induced depressed mitogen responses in young mallard ducks. Hurley DJ, Neiger RD, Higgins KF, Rottinghaus GE, Stahr H. Department of Biology and Microbiology, South Dakota State University, Brookings 57007, USA. Mallard ducklings were fed diets containing corn naturally contaminated with mixed aflatoxins, purified T-2 toxin, or no detectable mycotoxin in two trials. The aflatoxin level used was 12 ppb in the first trial and 33 ppb in the second. T-2 was added at 2 ppm in both trials. No pathology was associated with the aflatoxin used in this study, and T-2--induced lesions were described in a previous publication. The weights of primary (thymus and bursa of Fabricius) and secondary (spleen) lymphoid organs were significantly reduced in the T-2--treated birds. The total number of viable cells recovered from the thymus was significantly reduced in aflatoxin-treated birds. The numbers of viable cells recovered from thymus, bursa of Fabricius, and spleen were all significantly reduced after treatment with T-2. In each trial, significantly lower mitogenic responses were seen to pokeweed mitogen and concanavalin A in birds fed aflatoxin or T-2, representing reduction in both B-cell and T-cell mitogenesis. Birds fed aflatoxin also had significantly reduced Escherichia coli O55 lipopolysaccharide-induced mitogenic responses. These studies indicate that subacute oral exposure to aflatoxin caused a loss of normal lymphocyte reactivity in mallard ducklings. This finding supports the hypothesis that waterfowl that ingest even small quantities of mycotoxin-contaminated waste grain are likely to be more susceptible to bacterial or viral infections. PMID: 10611980 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] J Toxicol Environ Health A. 1999 May 28;57(2):115-36.Links Amplified proinflammatory cytokine expression and toxicity in mice coexposed to lipopolysaccharide and the trichothecene vomitoxin (deoxynivalenol). Zhou HR, Harkema JR, Yan D, Pestka JJ. Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition, Michigan State University, East Lansing 48824, USA. A single oral exposure to the trichothecene vomitoxin (VT) has been previously shown in the mouse to increase splenic mRNA levels for several cytokines in as little as 2 h. Since one underlying mechanism for these effects likely involves superinduction of transiently expressed cytokine genes, VT may also potentially amplify cytokine responses to inflammatory stimuli. To test this possibility, the effects of oral VT exposure on tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha), interleukin-6 (IL-6), and IL-1beta expression were measured in mice that were intraperitoneally injected with lipopolysaccharide (LPS), a prototypic inflammatory agent. As anticipated, VT alone at 1, 5, and 25 mg/kg body weight increased splenic mRNA expression of all three cytokines after 3 h in a dose-response fashion. LPS injection at 1 and 5 mg/kg body weight also induced proinflammatory cytokine mRNA expression. There was a synergistic increase in TNF-alpha splenic mRNA levels in mice treated with both VT and LPS as compared to mice treated with either toxin alone, whereas the effects were additive for IL-6 and IL-1beta mRNA expression. When relative mRNA levels were examined over a 12-h period in mice given LPS (1 mg/kg) and/or VT (5 mg/kg), significant enhancement was observed up to 6, 12, and 3 h for TNF-alpha, IL-6, and IL-1beta, respectively. When plasma cytokine concentrations were measured, TNF-alpha was found to peak at 1 h and was significantly increased at 1, 3, and 6 h if mice were given LPS and VT, whereas LPS or VT alone caused much smaller increases in plasma TNF-alpha Plasma IL-6 peaked at 3 h in LPS, VT, and LPS/VT groups, with the combined toxin group exhibiting additive effects. Plasma IL-1beta was not detectable. The potential for VT and LPS to enhance toxicity was examined in a subsequent study. Mortality was not observed up to 72 h in mice exposed to a single oral dose of VT at 25 mg/kg body weight or to an intraperitoneal dose of LPS at 1 or 5 mg/kg body weight; however, all mice receiving VT and either LPS dose became moribund in less than 40 h. The principal histologic lesions in the moribund mice treated with VT and LPS were marked cell death and loss in thymus, Peyer's patches, spleen, and bone marrow. In all of these lymphoid tissues, treatment-induced cell death had characteristic histologic features of apoptosis causing lymphoid atrophy. These results suggest that LPS exposure may markedly increase the toxicity of trichothecenes and that the immune system was a primary target of these interactive effects. PMID: 10344227 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Toxicology. 1998 Feb 6;125(2-3):203-14.Links Modulation of nitric oxide, hydrogen peroxide and cytokine production in a clonal macrophage model by the trichothecene vomitoxin (deoxynivalenol). Ji GE, Park SY, Wong SS, Pestka JJ. Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition, Michigan State University, East Lansing 48824-1224, USA. Characterization of how vomitoxin (VT) and other trichothecenes affect macrophage regulatory and effector function may contribute to improved understanding of mechanisms by which these mycotoxins impact the immune system. The RAW 264.7 murine cell line was used as a macrophage model to assess effects of the VT on proliferation and the production of nitric oxide (NO), hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) and cytokines. Using the MTT cleavage assay, VT at concentrations of 50 ng/ml or higher was found to significantly decrease proliferation and viability of RAW 264.7 cells without stimulation or with stimulation by lipopolysaccharide (LPS) or interferon (IFN)-gamma. In the absence of an activation agent, VT (25-250 ng/ml) had negligible effects on the production of NO, H2O2, and cytokines. Upon activation with LPS at concentrations of 10 to 100 ng/ml, VT at 25-100 ng/ml markedly enhanced production of H2O2 but was inhibitory at 250 ng/ml. VT enhancement of H2O2 production was observed as early as 12 h after LPS stimulation. When IFN-gamma was used as the stimulant, VT (25-250 ng/ml) delayed peak H2O2 production. VT (25-250 ng/ml) also markedly decreased NO production in cells activated with LPS or IFN-gamma. Interestingly, VT superinduced TNF-alpha and IL-6 production in LPS-stimulated cells and also elevated TNF-alpha in IFN-gamma stimulated cells. These results suggest that VT can selectively and concurrently upregulate or downregulate critical functions associated with activated macrophages. PMID: 9570333 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]J Toxicol Environ Health. 1996 May;48(1):1-34.Links Toxicology of deoxynivalenol (vomitoxin). Rotter BA, Prelusky DB, Pestka JJ. Centre for Food and Animal Research, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. Trichothecene mycotoxins are a group of structurally similar fungal metabolites that are capable of producing a wide range of toxic effects. Deoxynivalenol (DON, vomitoxin), a trichothecene, is prevalent worldwide in crops used for food and feed production, including in Canada and the United States. Although DON is one of the least acutely toxic trichothecenes, it should be treated as an important food safety issue because it is a very common contaminant of grain. This review focuses on the ability of DON to induce toxicologic and immunotoxic effects in a variety of cell systems and animal species. At the cellular level, the main toxic effect is inhibition of protein synthesis via binding to the ribosome. In animals, moderate to low ingestion of toxin can cause a number of as yet poorly defined effects associated with reduced performance and immune function. The main overt effect at low dietary concentrations appears to be a reduction in food consumption (anorexia), while higher doses induce vomiting (emesis). DON is known to alter brain neurochemicals. The serotoninergic system appears to play a role in mediation of the feeding behavior and emetic response. Animals fed low to moderate doses are able to recover from initial weight losses, while higher doses induce more long-term changes in feeding behavior. At low dosages of DON, hematological, clinical, and immunological changes are also transitory and decrease as compensatory/adaptation mechanisms are established. Swine are more sensitive to DON than mice, poultry, and ruminants, in part because of differences in metabolism of DON, with males being more sensitive than females. The capacity of DON to alter normal immune function has been of particular interest. There is extensive evidence that DON can be immunosuppressive or immunostimulatory, depending upon the dose and duration of exposure. While immunosuppression can be explained by the inhibition of translation, immunostimulation can be related to interference with normal regulatory mechanisms. In vivo, DON suppresses normal immune response to pathogens and simultaneously induces autoimmune-like effects which are similar to human immunoglobulin A (IgA) nephropathy. Other effects include superinduction of cytokine production by T helper cells (in vitro) and activation of macrophages and T cells to produce a proinflammatory cytokine wave that is analogous to that found in lipopolysaccharide-induced shock (in vivo). To what extent the elevation of cytokines contributes to metabolic effects such as decreased feed intake remains to be established. Although these effects have been largely characterized in the mouse, several investigations with DON suggest that immunotoxic effects are also likely in domestic animals. Further toxicology studies and an assessment of the potential of DON to be an etiologic agent in human disease are warranted. PMID: 8637056 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Fundam Appl Toxicol. 1993 Nov;21(4):535-45. Links Comparative effects of immunotoxic chemicals on in vitro proliferative responses of human and rodent lymphocytes. Lang DS, Meier KL, Luster MI. Environmental Immunity Section, National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27709. In order to determine the comparability of human and rodent in vitro systems, the direct effects of various therapeutic or environmental chemicals on proliferative responses of lymphocytes of mouse, rat, and human origins were examined and analyzed by a detailed statistical approach. Four compounds of diverse structure and mechanism of action which are known to impair lymphocyte transformation, such as hydroquinone, T-2 toxin, lead nitrate, as well as the widely used immunosuppressive drug cyclosporin A, were chosen as model test substances. T cells were stimulated by phytohaemagglutinin as well as monoclonal antibodies directed at the T cell receptor/CD3 complex, while B cells were activated by the T-independent mitogens, including Staphylococcus aureus cells, Escherichia coli lipopolysaccharide, and Salmonella typhimurium mitogen with specificity for human, mouse, and rat lymphocytes, respectively. In almost all cases the chemicals altered lymphoproliferative responses in a concentration-related manner in all three species. In general, overall similarities in the relative sensitivity of lymphoblastogenesis were obtained when the human dose-response curves were compared to the rodent response curves. Frequent, statistically significant species-dependent discrepancies of the overall response curves between mice and rats were observed. Large, statistically significant differences were observed for inorganic lead, revealing obvious divergences of the effect patterns in all cases, across all species. In this case, rodent species, especially the rat, were very sensitive to immunomodulation by lead, whereas human cells were relatively resistant. It is suggested that direct interspecies comparisons of immunological effects due to chemical treatment in vitro can provide a greater understanding of the relationship between animal and human data, which will improve the confidence of extrapolation from findings in laboratory animals to human health risk. PMID: 8253306 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINEToxicol Appl Pharmacol. 1991 Jun 1;109(1):51-9.Links Increased endotoxin sensitivity following T-2 toxin treatment is associated with increased absorption of endotoxin. MJ, Lafarge-Frayssinet C, Luster MI, Frayssinet C. National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, Immunotoxicology Group, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27709. Oral exposure to T-2 Toxin (T-2) in experimental animals results in a syndrome similar to that observed in endotoxemia. Endotoxins are lipopolysaccharide, outer-membrane components of gram-negative bacteria which induce acute, inflammatory responses. In the present study, several aspects of endotoxin pathophysiology were investigated in mice following simultaneous exposure to T-2 and endotoxin, including mortality, hypothermia, tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha) and corticosterone production, and thymic weight. The disposition of endotoxin was also assessed, Acute, simultaneous exposure to T-2 (4 mg/kg, po) and endotoxin (3 micrograms/mouse, ip) resulted in increased mortality, hypothermia, TNF-alpha production, and thymic atrophy compared to treatment with either T-2 of endotoxin alone. Pretreatment of mice with endotoxin, a regime that renders the animals resistant to the effects of endotoxin, reduced many endotoxin effects in animals treated simultaneously with T-2 and endotoxin. Upon further investigation, it was observed that T-2 increased the absorption rate of endotoxin: as the peak height of serum endotoxin increased, the time-to-peak decreased, and the area under the curve was unchanged in animals treated simultaneously with T-2 and endotoxin. It was concluded that increased endotoxin absorption accounted for the increases in mortality, hypothermia, and TNF-alpha associated with T-2 exposure. PMID: 2038749 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Am J Vet Res. 1990 Nov;51(11):1869-72.Links Effect of T-2 toxin on resistance to systemic Salmonella typhimurium infection of newly hatched chickens. Ziprin RL, Elissalde MH. USDA, Agricultural Research Service, College Station, TX 77840. Newly hatched chickens were treated with the trichothecene mycotoxin, T-2 toxin, during the first day of life. Control chickens were treated with other agents known to cause immunosuppression--cyclosporine, cyclophosphamide, and aflatoxin. Chickens were infected on day 6 (5 days after treatment with T-2 toxin) by intraperitoneal inoculation with Salmonella typhimurium. Blood samples were collected from treated chickens (noninfected) and used to assess the responsiveness of blood lymphocytes to T-cell or B-cell mitogens, phytohemagglutinin, or lipopolysaccharide, respectively. The T-2 toxin had a profound negative effect on the ability of the chickens to resist salmonellosis, as measured by survival. However, the toxin effect in reducing phytohemagglutinin- and lipopolysaccharide-stimulated mitogenesis, though significant (P greater than 0.05), was not severe. Our data indicate a direct effect of T-2 toxin on native resistance to systemic salmonellosis, which was not accompanied by marked alteration in T- or B-cell responses to mitogenic stimulation. PMID: 2240815 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE Arch Environ Contam Toxicol. 1989 May-Jun;18(3):388-95.Links Effects of macrocyclic trichothecene mycotoxins on the murine immune system. BJ, Hsieh GC, Jarvis BB, Sharma RP. Macrocyclic trichothecenes are a class of mycotoxins, some of which exhibit substantial antileukemic properties. These compounds vary in their toxicity by approximately 100 fold and are suspected immunotoxins. We studied 11 of these mycotoxins: roritoxin B, myrotoxin B, roridin A, verrucarin A, 16-hydroxyverrucarin A, verrucarin J, baccharinoid B12, roridin D, roridin E, baccharinoid B4 and baccharinoid B5 for their immunotoxicity in CD-1 mice. An equitoxic dose was prepared in 1% DMSO in saline and administered i.p. at half the LD50. Organ weights, WBC, RBC, differentials of blood cell counts, blastogenesis of splenic lymphocytes in response to concanavalin A (Con A), lipopolysaccharide (LPS), phytohemagglutinin (PHA) and pokeweed mitogen (PWM), and mixed lymphocyte reaction (MLR) were studied on day 4 after administration of each mycotoxin. Organ weights showed significant differences between the controls and the baccharinoids with a decrease in spleen weight in baccharinoid B12 and an increased liver weight in B4 and B5 treated animals. Administration of myrotoxin B, roridin A, verrucarin J and roridin E had total WBC counts statistically different from controls, while mice administered myrotoxin B shoed a decrease in numbers of RBC. Differentials of WBC were unremarkable regardless of the mycotoxin. Roritoxin B and baccharinoid B5 increased Con A stimulation of splenic lymphocytes. Roridin A and baccharinoid B12 increased LPS stimulation of splenic lymphocytes while baccharinoid B5 decreased the LPS response. Stimulation of splenic lymphocytes with PHA was significantly increased by roridin A and baccharinoid B5. Stimulation of splenic lymphocytes with PWM was not altered significantly by any mycotoxin.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS) PMID: 2786385 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINEhttp://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/577678_print Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 There is a large body of research that shows that trichothecenes are strongly potentiated by bacterial endotoxins like LPS. That reaction, in and of itself, would explain many of the effects caused by water damaged buildings. I agree, and would apply that model (LPS or otherwise potentiated immune system) to the development of acquired hypersensitivities to other xenobiotics as well. Really good research work, Quack. Nice job! Steve Temes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 There are so many relationships like that, I am sure. What we REALLY need are good MODELS to understand and describe what is happening. I would posit that *there are multiple, common pathways that are commonly impacted by multiple toxicants and that those areas are the areas where the synergism between toxicants becomes extremely important*. The same things happen again and again, for different reasons, but they add up.. This is TERRIFYING to me because I think that increasingly, " we " are apparently " deciding " , it seems, as a society, to expose EVERYONE to increasing amounts of toxicants like mercury.. " to lower costs " I notice that you live in the Northeast. Did you realize that changes in the kinds of coal that are being burned is increasing exposure to mercury dramatically in that area? - That said, please read this article.. (below) Does this seem as important to you as it does to me? http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document & doi=10.1371/journ\ al.pbio.0050035 Chemically Diverse Toxicants Converge on Fyn and c-Cbl to Disrupt Precursor Cell Function Zaibo Li, Tiefei Dong, Pröschel, Mark Noble* 1 Department of Biomedical Genetics, University of Rochester Medical Center, Rochester, New York, United States of America Identification of common mechanistic principles that shed light on the action of the many chemically diverse toxicants to which we are exposed is of central importance in understanding how toxicants disrupt normal cellular function and in developing more effective means of protecting against such effects. Of particular importance is identifying mechanisms operative at environmentally relevant toxicant exposure levels. Chemically diverse toxicants exhibit striking convergence, at environmentally relevant exposure levels, on pathway-specific disruption of receptor tyrosine kinase (RTK) signaling required for cell division in central nervous system (CNS) progenitor cells. Relatively small toxicant-induced increases in oxidative status are associated with Fyn kinase activation, leading to secondary activation of the c-Cbl ubiquitin ligase. Fyn/c-Cbl pathway activation by these pro-oxidative changes causes specific reductions, in vitro and in vivo, in levels of the c-Cbl target platelet-derived growth factor receptor-α and other c-Cbl targets, but not of the TrkC RTK (which is not a c-Cbl target). Sequential Fyn and c-Cbl activation, with consequent pathway-specific suppression of RTK signaling, is induced by levels of methylmercury and lead that affect large segments of the population, as well as by paraquat, an organic herbicide. Our results identify a novel regulatory pathway of oxidant-mediated Fyn/c-Cbl activation as a shared mechanism of action of chemically diverse toxicants at environmentally relevant levels, and as a means by which increased oxidative status may disrupt mitogenic signaling. These results provide one of a small number of general mechanistic principles in toxicology, and the only such principle integrating toxicology, precursor cell biology, redox biology, and signaling pathway analysis in a predictive framework of broad potential relevance to the understanding of pro-oxidant–mediated disruption of normal development. > In a message dated 7/25/2008 4:15:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > quackadillian@... writes: > > There is a large body of research that shows that trichothecenes are > strongly potentiated by bacterial endotoxins like LPS. That reaction, in and > of itself, would explain many of the effects caused by water damaged > buildings. > > I agree, and would apply that model (LPS or otherwise potentiated immune > system) to the development of acquired hypersensitivities to other > xenobiotics as well. > > Really good research work, Quack. Nice job! > > Steve Temes > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 "I would posit that *there are multiple, common pathways that are commonly impacted by multiple toxicants and that those areas are the areas where the synergism between toxicants becomes extremely important*." Quack, I don't know that much about how mercury acts as a "potentiator", but it certainly can cause damage to the neurological system. The way I view the potentiated immune system being linked to acquired hypersensitivities is analogous to how the immune system "learns" to recognize foreign invaders. There is innate immunity and acquired immunity. When certain biological or chemical substances are present during a period when immune inflammatory agents are produced within the individual, the immune system wants to "recognize and remember" these invaders next time so it can mount an early defense against them. Think about cold viruses or other disease causing organisms that you only get sick from one time and then you develop an immunity to them. I think something similar is happening when the immune system becomes sensitized to environmental contaminants that result in hypersensitivity reactions like reactive airways dysfunction syndrome (RADS) or MCS. In many ways it is similar to "becoming allergic", but the mechanism is other than IgE. It seems to often involve chemoreceptors that trigger nerve signals -- and often the vanilloid receptor of the trigeminal nerve, which is the innate chemical sensor. I have read several good literature articles about neurogenic sensitization, such as those written by Pall, Barbara Sorg and Meggs. When these acquired hypersensitivity mechanisms are better understood, I think it will explain most of what "mold illness" is all about. Steve Temes There are so many relationships like that, I am sure. What we REALLY need are good MODELS to understand and describe what is happening. I would posit that *there are multiple, common pathways that are commonly impacted by multiple toxicants and that those areas are the areas where the synergism between toxicants becomes extremely important*. The same things happen again and again, for different reasons, but they add up.. This is TERRIFYING to me because I think that increasingly, "we" are apparently "deciding", it seems, as a society, to expose EVERYONE to increasing amounts of toxicants like mercury.. "to lower costs" I notice that you live in the Northeast. Did you realize that changes in the kinds of coal that are being burned is increasing exposure to mercury dramatically in that area? - That said, please read this article.. (below) Does this seem as important to you as it does to me? http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document & doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0050035 Chemically Diverse Toxicants Converge on Fyn and c-Cbl to Disrupt Precursor Cell Function Zaibo Li, Tiefei Dong, Pröschel, Mark Noble* 1 Department of Biomedical Genetics, University of Rochester Medical Center, Rochester, New York, United States of America Identification of common mechanistic principles that shed light on the action of the many chemically diverse toxicants to which we are exposed is of central importance in understanding how toxicants disrupt normal cellular function and in developing more effective means of protecting against such effects. Of particular importance is identifying mechanisms operative at environmentally relevant toxicant exposure levels. Chemically diverse toxicants exhibit striking convergence, at environmentally relevant exposure levels, on pathway-specific disruption of receptor tyrosine kinase (RTK) signaling required for cell division in central nervous system (CNS) progenitor cells. Relatively small toxicant-induced increases in oxidative status are associated with Fyn kinase activation, leading to secondary activation of the c-Cbl ubiquitin ligase. Fyn/c-Cbl pathway activation by these pro-oxidative changes causes specific reductions, in vitro and in vivo, in levels of the c-Cbl target platelet-derived growth factor receptor-a and other c-Cbl targets, but not of the TrkC RTK (which is not a c-Cbl target). Sequential Fyn and c-Cbl activation, with consequent pathway-specific suppression of RTK signaling, is induced by levels of methylmercury and lead that affect large segments of the population, as well as by paraquat, an organic herbicide. Our results identify a novel regulatory pathway of oxidant-mediated Fyn/c-Cbl activation as a shared mechanism of action of chemically diverse toxicants at environmentally relevant levels, and as a means by which increased oxidative status may disrupt mitogenic signaling. These results provide one of a small number of general mechanistic principles in toxicology, and the only such principle integrating toxicology, precursor cell biology, redox biology, and signaling pathway analysis in a predictive framework of broad potential relevance to the understanding of pro-oxidant–mediated disruption of normal development. >In a message dated 7/25/2008 4:15:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >quackadillian@... writes: > >There is a large body of research that shows that trichothecenes are >strongly potentiated by bacterial endotoxins like LPS. That reaction, in and >of itself, would explain many of the effects caused by water damaged >buildings. > >I agree, and would apply that model (LPS or otherwise potentiated immune >system) to the development of acquired hypersensitivities to other >xenobiotics as well. > >Really good research work, Quack. Nice job! > >Steve Temes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 There are so many different things going on in a toxicological sense with different contaminants. At least seven or eight MAJOR pathways that I know about, I am sure there are are many more.. > " I would posit that *there are multiple, common pathways that are > commonly impacted by multiple toxicants and that those areas are the > areas where the synergism between toxicants becomes extremely > important*. " > > Quack, > > I don't know that much about how mercury acts as a " potentiator " , but it > certainly can cause damage to the neurological system. > > The way I view the potentiated immune system being linked to acquired > hypersensitivities is analogous to how the immune system " learns " to > recognize foreign invaders. There is innate immunity and acquired > immunity. When certain biological or chemical substances are present during > a period when immune inflammatory agents are produced within the individual, > the immune system wants to " recognize and remember " these invaders next time > so it can mount an early defense against them. Think about cold viruses or > other disease causing organisms that you only get sick from one time and > then you develop an immunity to them. > > I think something similar is happening when the immune system becomes > sensitized to environmental contaminants that result in hypersensitivity > reactions like reactive airways dysfunction syndrome (RADS) or MCS. In many > ways it is similar to " becoming allergic " , but the mechanism is other than > IgE. It seems to often involve chemoreceptors that trigger nerve signals -- > and often the vanilloid receptor of the trigeminal nerve, which is the > innate chemical sensor. I have read several good literature articles about > neurogenic sensitization, such as those written by Pall, Barbara Sorg > and Meggs. > > When these acquired hypersensitivity mechanisms are better understood, I > think it will explain most of what " mold illness " is all about. > > Steve Temes > > In a message dated 7/26/2008 9:58:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > quackadillian@... writes: > > There are so many relationships like that, I am sure. What we REALLY > need are good MODELS to understand and describe what is happening. > > I would posit that *there are multiple, common pathways that are > commonly impacted by multiple toxicants and that those areas are the > areas where the synergism between toxicants becomes extremely > important*. > > The same things happen again and again, for different reasons, but they add > up.. > > This is TERRIFYING to me because I think that increasingly, " we " are > apparently " deciding " , it seems, as a society, to expose EVERYONE to > increasing amounts of toxicants like mercury.. " to lower costs " > > I notice that you live in the Northeast. Did you realize that changes > in the kinds of coal that are being burned is increasing exposure to > mercury dramatically in that area? > > - That said, please read this article.. (below) > > Does this seem as important to you as it does to me? > > http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document & doi=10.1371/journ\ al.pbio.0050035 > > Chemically Diverse Toxicants Converge on Fyn and c-Cbl to Disrupt > Precursor Cell Function > > Zaibo Li, Tiefei Dong, Pröschel, Mark Noble* > > 1 Department of Biomedical Genetics, University of Rochester Medical > Center, Rochester, New York, United States of America > > Identification of common mechanistic principles that shed light on the > action of the many chemically diverse toxicants to which we are > exposed is of central importance in understanding how toxicants > disrupt normal cellular function and in developing more effective > means of protecting against such effects. Of particular importance is > identifying mechanisms operative at environmentally relevant toxicant > exposure levels. Chemically diverse toxicants exhibit striking > convergence, at environmentally relevant exposure levels, on > pathway-specific disruption of receptor tyrosine kinase (RTK) > signaling required for cell division in central nervous system (CNS) > progenitor cells. Relatively small toxicant-induced increases in > oxidative status are associated with Fyn kinase activation, leading to > secondary activation of the c-Cbl ubiquitin ligase. Fyn/c-Cbl pathway > activation by these pro-oxidative changes causes specific reductions, > in vitro and in vivo, in levels of the c-Cbl target platelet-derived > growth factor receptor-a and other c-Cbl targets, but not of the TrkC > RTK (which is not a c-Cbl target). Sequential Fyn and c-Cbl > activation, with consequent pathway-specific suppression of RTK > signaling, is induced by levels of methylmercury and lead that affect > large segments of the population, as well as by paraquat, an organic > herbicide. Our results identify a novel regulatory pathway of > oxidant-mediated Fyn/c-Cbl activation as a shared mechanism of action > of chemically diverse toxicants at environmentally relevant levels, > and as a means by which increased oxidative status may disrupt > mitogenic signaling. These results provide one of a small number of > general mechanistic principles in toxicology, and the only such > principle integrating toxicology, precursor cell biology, redox > biology, and signaling pathway analysis in a predictive framework of > broad potential relevance to the understanding of pro-oxidant–mediated > disruption of normal development. > > >>In a message dated 7/25/2008 4:15:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >>quackadillian@... writes: >> >>There is a large body of research that shows that trichothecenes are >>strongly potentiated by bacterial endotoxins like LPS. That reaction, in >> and >>of itself, would explain many of the effects caused by water damaged >>buildings. >> >>I agree, and would apply that model (LPS or otherwise potentiated immune >>system) to the development of acquired hypersensitivities to other >>xenobiotics as well. >> >>Really good research work, Quack. Nice job! >> >>Steve Temes > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Steve, I came across an article this past weekend that is related to some of your points about the human immune system that I thought might be of interest: New Evidence Of Battle Between Humans And Ancient Virus File image: Hepatitis C virus. by Staff Writers New York, NY (SPX) Jul 25, 2008 For millennia, humans and viruses have been locked in an evolutionary back-and-forth -- one changes to outsmart the other, prompting the second to change and outsmart the first. With retroviruses, which work by inserting themselves into their host's DNA, the evidence remains in our genes. Last year, researchers at Rockefeller University and the Diamond AIDS Research Center brought an ancient retrovirus back to life and showed it could reproduce and infect human cells. Now, the same scientists have looked at the human side of the story and found evidence that our ancestors fought back against that virus with a defense mechanism our bodies still use today. " This is the first time that we've been able to take an ancient retrovirus and analyze how it interacts with host defense mechanisms in the laboratory in the present day, " says Bieniasz, who is an associate professor and head of the Laboratory of Retrovirology at Rockefeller and a scientist at the Diamond AIDS Research Center. Bieniasz and graduate student Youngnam Lee took their resurrected virus, called HERV-K, tested its strength against molecules involved in human antiviral defense and published their results in the Journal of Virology (online ahead of print, June 18). Bieniasz, who also is an investigator at the Medical Institute, and Lee found that, at least in the laboratory, human cells infected with HERV-K fought back with several antiviral proteins. One of those proteins, called APOBEC3G, leaves a tell-tale signature behind: It mutates virus DNA in a recognizable pattern and is one our cells use to attack modern retroviruses. " But this is the first time it's been shown for this ancient retrovirus, " Bieniasz says. Once the scientists found that modern human cells attacked HERV-K with this molecule, they went back to look at the " fossil evidence, " remnants of the virus that still remain in our genes and that the researchers had previously used to reconstruct it. What emerged were two copies of HERV-K that had clearly been mutated, and thus inactivated, by the APOBEC3G protein. " We're looking at things that happened millions and millions of years ago, " says Lee. " But these sorts of ancient interactions may have influenced how humans are able to combat these retroviruses today. These proteins help protect us against current retroviruses. " Indeed, HERV-K may well have helped to shape the modern APOBEC3G defense. The earlier study and this one provide two sides of the evolutionary coin: the infectious agent, and the host defense. " Retroviruses are able to infect us and leave remnants in our DNA, and our DNA also holds evidence of what we've done to them in return, " Lee says. " It's an illustration of the fight between host and virus. " Source: http://www.terradaily.com/reports/New_Evidence_Of_Battle_Between_Humans_And_Anci\ ent_Virus_999.html Chuck Reaney Re: Detection of satratoxin g and h in indoor air from a water-da... " I would posit that *there are multiple, common pathways that are commonly impacted by multiple toxicants and that those areas are the areas where the synergism between toxicants becomes extremely important*. " Quack, I don't know that much about how mercury acts as a " potentiator " , but it certainly can cause damage to the neurological system. The way I view the potentiated immune system being linked to acquired hypersensitivities is analogous to how the immune system " learns " to recognize foreign invaders. There is innate immunity and acquired immunity. When certain biological or chemical substances are present during a period when immune inflammatory agents are produced within the individual, the immune system wants to " recognize and remember " these invaders next time so it can mount an early defense against them. Think about cold viruses or other disease causing organisms that you only get sick from one time and then you develop an immunity to them. I think something similar is happening when the immune system becomes sensitized to environmental contaminants that result in hypersensitivity reactions like reactive airways dysfunction syndrome (RADS) or MCS. In many ways it is similar to " becoming allergic " , but the mechanism is other than IgE. It seems to often involve chemoreceptors that trigger nerve signals -- and often the vanilloid receptor of the trigeminal nerve, which is the innate chemical sensor. I have read several good literature articles about neurogenic sensitization, such as those written by Pall, Barbara Sorg and Meggs. When these acquired hypersensitivity mechanisms are better understood, I think it will explain most of what " mold illness " is all about. Steve Temes In a message dated 7/26/2008 9:58:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quackadillian@... writes: > There are so many relationships like that, I am sure. What we REALLY > need are good MODELS to understand and describe what is happening. > > I would posit that *there are multiple, common pathways that are > commonly impacted by multiple toxicants and that those areas are the > areas where the synergism between toxicants becomes extremely > important*. > > The same things happen again and again, for different reasons, but they > add > up.. > > This is TERRIFYING to me because I think that increasingly, " we " are > apparently " deciding " , it seems, as a society, to expose EVERYONE to > increasing amounts of toxicants like mercury.. " to lower costs " > > I notice that you live in the Northeast. Did you realize that changes > in the kinds of coal that are being burned is increasing exposure to > mercury dramatically in that area? > > - That said, please read this article.. (below) > > Does this seem as important to you as it does to me? > > http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document & > doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0050035 > > Chemically Diverse Toxicants Converge on Fyn and c-Cbl to Disrupt > Precursor Cell Function > > Zaibo Li, Tiefei Dong, Pröschel, Mark Noble* > > 1 Department of Biomedical Genetics, University of Rochester Medical > Center, Rochester, New York, United States of America > > Identification of common mechanistic principles that shed light on the > action of the many chemically diverse toxicants to which we are > exposed is of central importance in understanding how toxicants > disrupt normal cellular function and in developing more effective > means of protecting against such effects. Of particular importance is > identifying mechanisms operative at environmentally relevant toxicant > exposure levels. Chemically diverse toxicants exhibit striking > convergence, at environmentally relevant exposure levels, on > pathway-specific disruption of receptor tyrosine kinase (RTK) > signaling required for cell division in central nervous system (CNS) > progenitor cells. Relatively small toxicant-induced increases in > oxidative status are associated with Fyn kinase activation, leading to > secondary activation of the c-Cbl ubiquitin ligase. Fyn/c-Cbl pathway > activation by these pro-oxidative changes causes specific reductions, > in vitro and in vivo, in levels of the c-Cbl target platelet-derived > growth factor receptor-a and other c-Cbl targets, but not of the TrkC > RTK (which is not a c-Cbl target). Sequential Fyn and c-Cbl > activation, with consequent pathway-specific suppression of RTK > signaling, is induced by levels of methylmercury and lead that affect > large segments of the population, as well as by paraquat, an organic > herbicide. Our results identify a novel regulatory pathway of > oxidant-mediated Fyn/c-Cbl activation as a shared mechanism of action > of chemically diverse toxicants at environmentally relevant levels, > and as a means by which increased oxidative status may disrupt > mitogenic signaling. These results provide one of a small number of > general mechanistic principles in toxicology, and the only such > principle integrating toxicology, precursor cell biology, redox > biology, and signaling pathway analysis in a predictive framework of > broad potential relevance to the understanding of pro-oxidant–mediated > disruption of normal development. > > > >In a message dated 7/25/2008 4:15:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >quackadillian@... writes: > > > >There is a large body of research that shows that trichothecenes are > >strongly potentiated by bacterial endotoxins like LPS. That reaction, in > and > >of itself, would explain many of the effects caused by water damaged > >buildings. > > > >I agree, and would apply that model (LPS or otherwise potentiated immune > >system) to the development of acquired hypersensitivities to other > >xenobiotics as well. > > > >Really good research work, Quack. Nice job! > > > >Steve Temes > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 "Bieniasz, who also is an investigator at the Medical Institute, and Lee found that, at least in the laboratory, human cells infected with HERV-K fought back with several antiviral proteins. One of those proteins, called APOBEC3G, leaves a tell-tale signature behind: It mutates virus DNA in a recognizable pattern and is one our cells use to attack modern retroviruses." Chuck, I find it significant that a Medical Institute researcher made this discovery. These researchers are funded in a much different way than NIH grant researchers -- the difference being that there is no government influence over which research is being done. I expect that the group of researchers who will find more answers to these acquired immune questions are the pharmaceutical research scientists who have a profit incentive, and don't publicize their work until they have filed an application for a patent on it. When one considers the three-dimensional specificity of proteins and neuropeptide molecules (we still don't know how human memory works -- imagine how neuropeptides and other electrochemical messengers record visual images and sounds in the brain and make them available for recall), it makes the concept of immune system "memory" designed to recognize new foreign chemicals seem simplistic. Medical science is still in its infancy with regard to so many biochemical phenomena. Steve Steve, I came across an article this past weekend that is related to some of your points about the human immune system that I thought might be of interest: New Evidence Of Battle Between Humans And Ancient Virus File image: Hepatitis C virus. by Staff Writers New York, NY (SPX) Jul 25, 2008 For millennia, humans and viruses have been locked in an evolutionary back-and-forth -- one changes to outsmart the other, prompting the second to change and outsmart the first. With retroviruses, which work by inserting themselves into their host's DNA, the evidence remains in our genes. Last year, researchers at Rockefeller University and the Diamond AIDS Research Center brought an ancient retrovirus back to life and showed it could reproduce and infect human cells. Now, the same scientists have looked at the human side of the story and found evidence that our ancestors fought back against that virus with a defense mechanism our bodies still use today. "This is the first time that we've been able to take an ancient retrovirus and analyze how it interacts with host defense mechanisms in the laboratory in the present day," says Bieniasz, who is an associate professor and head of the Laboratory of Retrovirology at Rockefeller and a scientist at the Diamond AIDS Research Center. Bieniasz and graduate student Youngnam Lee took their resurrected virus, called HERV-K, tested its strength against molecules involved in human antiviral defense and published their results in the Journal of Virology (online ahead of print, June 18). Bieniasz, who also is an investigator at the Medical Institute, and Lee found that, at least in the laboratory, human cells infected with HERV-K fought back with several antiviral proteins. One of those proteins, called APOBEC3G, leaves a tell-tale signature behind: It mutates virus DNA in a recognizable pattern and is one our cells use to attack modern retroviruses. "But this is the first time it's been shown for this ancient retrovirus," Bieniasz says. Once the scientists found that modern human cells attacked HERV-K with this molecule, they went back to look at the "fossil evidence," remnants of the virus that still remain in our genes and that the researchers had previously used to reconstruct it. What emerged were two copies of HERV-K that had clearly been mutated, and thus inactivated, by the APOBEC3G protein. "We're looking at things that happened millions and millions of years ago," says Lee. "But these sorts of ancient interactions may have influenced how humans are able to combat these retroviruses today. These proteins help protect us against current retroviruses." Indeed, HERV-K may well have helped to shape the modern APOBEC3G defense. The earlier study and this one provide two sides of the evolutionary coin: the infectious agent, and the host defense. "Retroviruses are able to infect us and leave remnants in our DNA, and our DNA also holds evidence of what we've done to them in return," Lee says. "It's an illustration of the fight between host and virus." Source: http://www.terradaily.com/reports/New_Evidence_Of_Battle_Between_Humans_And_Ancient_Virus_999.html Chuck Reaney Re: Detection of satratoxin g and h in indoor air from a water-da... "I would posit that *there are multiple, common pathways that are commonly impacted by multiple toxicants and that those areas are the areas where the synergism between toxicants becomes extremely important*." Quack, I don't know that much about how mercury acts as a "potentiator", but it certainly can cause damage to the neurological system. The way I view the potentiated immune system being linked to acquired hypersensitivities is analogous to how the immune system "learns" to recognize foreign invaders. There is innate immunity and acquired immunity. When certain biological or chemical substances are present during a period when immune inflammatory agents are produced within the individual, the immune system wants to "recognize and remember" these invaders next time so it can mount an early defense against them. Think about cold viruses or other disease causing organisms that you only get sick from one time and then you develop an immunity to them. I think something similar is happening when the immune system becomes sensitized to environmental contaminants that result in hypersensitivity reactions like reactive airways dysfunction syndrome (RADS) or MCS. In many ways it is similar to "becoming allergic", but the mechanism is other than IgE. It seems to often involve chemoreceptors that trigger nerve signals -- and often the vanilloid receptor of the trigeminal nerve, which is the innate chemical sensor. I have read several good literature articles about neurogenic sensitization, such as those written by Pall, Barbara Sorg and Meggs. When these acquired hypersensitivity mechanisms are better understood, I think it will explain most of what "mold illness" is all about. Steve Temes In a message dated 7/26/2008 9:58:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quackadillian@... writes: >There are so many relationships like that, I am sure. What we REALLY >need are good MODELS to understand and describe what is happening. > >I would posit that *there are multiple, common pathways that are >commonly impacted by multiple toxicants and that those areas are the >areas where the synergism between toxicants becomes extremely >important*. > >The same things happen again and again, for different reasons, but they >add >up.. > >This is TERRIFYING to me because I think that increasingly, "we" are >apparently "deciding", it seems, as a society, to expose EVERYONE to >increasing amounts of toxicants like mercury.. "to lower costs" > >I notice that you live in the Northeast. Did you realize that changes >in the kinds of coal that are being burned is increasing exposure to >mercury dramatically in that area? > >- That said, please read this article.. (below) > >Does this seem as important to you as it does to me? > >http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document & >doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0050035 > >Chemically Diverse Toxicants Converge on Fyn and c-Cbl to Disrupt >Precursor Cell Function > >Zaibo Li, Tiefei Dong, Pröschel, Mark Noble* > >1 Department of Biomedical Genetics, University of Rochester Medical >Center, Rochester, New York, United States of America > >Identification of common mechanistic principles that shed light on the >action of the many chemically diverse toxicants to which we are >exposed is of central importance in understanding how toxicants >disrupt normal cellular function and in developing more effective >means of protecting against such effects. Of particular importance is >identifying mechanisms operative at environmentally relevant toxicant >exposure levels. Chemically diverse toxicants exhibit striking >convergence, at environmentally relevant exposure levels, on >pathway-specific disruption of receptor tyrosine kinase (RTK) >signaling required for cell division in central nervous system (CNS) >progenitor cells. Relatively small toxicant-induced increases in >oxidative status are associated with Fyn kinase activation, leading to >secondary activation of the c-Cbl ubiquitin ligase. Fyn/c-Cbl pathway >activation by these pro-oxidative changes causes specific reductions, >in vitro and in vivo, in levels of the c-Cbl target platelet-derived >growth factor receptor-a and other c-Cbl targets, but not of the TrkC >RTK (which is not a c-Cbl target). Sequential Fyn and c-Cbl >activation, with consequent pathway-specific suppression of RTK >signaling, is induced by levels of methylmercury and lead that affect >large segments of the population, as well as by paraquat, an organic >herbicide. Our results identify a novel regulatory pathway of >oxidant-mediated Fyn/c-Cbl activation as a shared mechanism of action >of chemically diverse toxicants at environmentally relevant levels, >and as a means by which increased oxidative status may disrupt >mitogenic signaling. These results provide one of a small number of >general mechanistic principles in toxicology, and the only such >principle integrating toxicology, precursor cell biology, redox >biology, and signaling pathway analysis in a predictive framework of >broad potential relevance to the understanding of pro-oxidant–mediated >disruption of normal development. > > >>In a message dated 7/25/2008 4:15:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >>quackadillian@... writes: >> >>There is a large body of research that shows that trichothecenes are >>strongly potentiated by bacterial endotoxins like LPS. That reaction, in >and >>of itself, would explain many of the effects caused by water damaged >>buildings. >> >>I agree, and would apply that model (LPS or otherwise potentiated immune >>system) to the development of acquired hypersensitivities to other >>xenobiotics as well. >> >>Really good research work, Quack. Nice job! >> >>Steve Temes > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 clearly had MCS and possibly, mold illness as well. (Which may be one of the triggers for OCD, in addition to depression/attention/memory problems - all which would be effected by inhibition of protein synthesis - ) But nobody seems to have made that connection. Have you been following the story at http://ombwatch.org/article/blogs/entry/5212/38 ? Information like this would dramatically change the cost-benefit analysis. Its my hope that the next administration understands and adopts the Precautionary Principle.. In the light of the last few years of indications of things like this, one could almost describe as a flood of recent discoveries.. its CRUCIALLY important.. You can't bring back the time we have lost, but we can try to ensure that this dark period of political orthodoxy and its repression of science ends as rapidly as possible.. Like Lysenkoism in Russia/China in the 50s.. > " Bieniasz, who also is an investigator at the Medical > Institute, and Lee found that, at least in the laboratory, human cells > infected with HERV-K fought back with several antiviral proteins. > > One of those proteins, called APOBEC3G, leaves a tell-tale signature behind: > It mutates virus DNA in a recognizable pattern and is one our cells use to > attack modern retroviruses. " > > Chuck, > > I find it significant that a Medical Institute researcher made > this discovery. These researchers are funded in a much different way than > NIH grant researchers -- the difference being that there is no government > influence over which research is being done. I expect that the group of > researchers who will find more answers to these acquired immune questions > are the pharmaceutical research scientists who have a profit incentive, and > don't publicize their work until they have filed an application for a patent > on it. > > When one considers the three-dimensional specificity of proteins and > neuropeptide molecules (we still don't know how human memory works -- > imagine how neuropeptides and other electrochemical messengers record visual > images and sounds in the brain and make them available for recall), it makes > the concept of immune system " memory " designed to recognize new foreign > chemicals seem simplistic. > > Medical science is still in its infancy with regard to so many biochemical > phenomena. > > Steve > > In a message dated 7/28/2008 12:55:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > C.Reaney@... writes: > > Steve, > > I came across an article this past weekend that is related to some of your > points about the human immune system that I thought might be of interest: > > New Evidence Of Battle Between Humans And Ancient Virus > > File image: Hepatitis C virus. > by Staff Writers > New York, NY (SPX) Jul 25, 2008 > For millennia, humans and viruses have been locked in an evolutionary > back-and-forth -- one changes to outsmart the other, prompting the second to > change and outsmart the first. With retroviruses, which work by inserting > themselves into their host's DNA, the evidence remains in our genes. > Last year, researchers at Rockefeller University and the Diamond AIDS > Research Center brought an ancient retrovirus back to life and showed it > could reproduce and infect human cells. Now, the same scientists have looked > at the human side of the story and found evidence that our ancestors fought > back against that virus with a defense mechanism our bodies still use today. > > " This is the first time that we've been able to take an ancient retrovirus > and analyze how it interacts with host defense mechanisms in the laboratory > in the present day, " says Bieniasz, who is an associate professor and > head of the Laboratory of Retrovirology at Rockefeller and a scientist at > the Diamond AIDS Research Center. > > Bieniasz and graduate student Youngnam Lee took their resurrected virus, > called HERV-K, tested its strength against molecules involved in human > antiviral defense and published their results in the Journal of Virology > (online ahead of print, June 18). > > Bieniasz, who also is an investigator at the Medical > Institute, and Lee found that, at least in the laboratory, human cells > infected with HERV-K fought back with several antiviral proteins. > > One of those proteins, called APOBEC3G, leaves a tell-tale signature behind: > It mutates virus DNA in a recognizable pattern and is one our cells use to > attack modern retroviruses. " But this is the first time it's been shown for > this ancient retrovirus, " Bieniasz says. > > Once the scientists found that modern human cells attacked HERV-K with this > molecule, they went back to look at the " fossil evidence, " remnants of the > virus that still remain in our genes and that the researchers had previously > used to reconstruct it. What emerged were two copies of HERV-K that had > clearly been mutated, and thus inactivated, by the APOBEC3G protein. > > " We're looking at things that happened millions and millions of years ago, " > says Lee. > > " But these sorts of ancient interactions may have influenced how humans are > able to combat these retroviruses today. These proteins help protect us > against current retroviruses. " Indeed, HERV-K may well have helped to shape > the modern APOBEC3G defense. > > The earlier study and this one provide two sides of the evolutionary coin: > the infectious agent, and the host defense. " Retroviruses are able to infect > us and leave remnants in our DNA, and our DNA also holds evidence of what > we've done to them in return, " Lee says. " It's an illustration of the fight > between host and virus. " > > Source: > http://www.terradaily.com/reports/New_Evidence_Of_Battle_Between_Humans_And_Anci\ ent_Virus_999.html > > Chuck Reaney > > Re: Detection of satratoxin g and h in indoor air from > a water-da... > > " I would posit that *there are multiple, common pathways that are > commonly impacted by multiple toxicants and that those areas are the > areas where the synergism between toxicants becomes extremely > important*. " > > Quack, > > I don't know that much about how mercury acts as a " potentiator " , but it > certainly can cause damage to the neurological system. > > The way I view the potentiated immune system being linked to acquired > hypersensitivities is analogous to how the immune system " learns " to > recognize > foreign invaders. There is innate immunity and acquired immunity. When > certain > biological or chemical substances are present during a period when immune > inflammatory agents are produced within the individual, the immune system > wants to > " recognize and remember " these invaders next time so it can mount an early > defense against them. Think about cold viruses or other disease causing > organisms > that you only get sick from one time and then you develop an immunity to > them. > > I think something similar is happening when the immune system becomes > sensitized to environmental contaminants that result in hypersensitivity > reactions > like reactive airways dysfunction syndrome (RADS) or MCS. In many ways it > is > similar to " becoming allergic " , but the mechanism is other than IgE. It > seems > to often involve chemoreceptors that trigger nerve signals -- and often the > vanilloid receptor of the trigeminal nerve, which is the innate chemical > sensor. > I have read several good literature articles about neurogenic sensitization, > such as those written by Pall, Barbara Sorg and Meggs. > > When these acquired hypersensitivity mechanisms are better understood, I > think it will explain most of what " mold illness " is all about. > > Steve Temes > > In a message dated 7/26/2008 9:58:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > quackadillian@... writes: >>There are so many relationships like that, I am sure. What we REALLY >>need are good MODELS to understand and describe what is happening. >> >>I would posit that *there are multiple, common pathways that are >>commonly impacted by multiple toxicants and that those areas are the >>areas where the synergism between toxicants becomes extremely >>important*. >> >>The same things happen again and again, for different reasons, but they >>add >>up.. >> >>This is TERRIFYING to me because I think that increasingly, " we " are >>apparently " deciding " , it seems, as a society, to expose EVERYONE to >>increasing amounts of toxicants like mercury.. " to lower costs " >> >>I notice that you live in the Northeast. Did you realize that changes >>in the kinds of coal that are being burned is increasing exposure to >>mercury dramatically in that area? >> >>- That said, please read this article.. (below) >> >>Does this seem as important to you as it does to me? >> >>http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document & >>doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0050035 >> >>Chemically Diverse Toxicants Converge on Fyn and c-Cbl to Disrupt >>Precursor Cell Function >> >>Zaibo Li, Tiefei Dong, Pröschel, Mark Noble* >> >>1 Department of Biomedical Genetics, University of Rochester Medical >>Center, Rochester, New York, United States of America >> >>Identification of common mechanistic principles that shed light on the >>action of the many chemically diverse toxicants to which we are >>exposed is of central importance in understanding how toxicants >>disrupt normal cellular function and in developing more effective >>means of protecting against such effects. Of particular importance is >>identifying mechanisms operative at environmentally relevant toxicant >>exposure levels. Chemically diverse toxicants exhibit striking >>convergence, at environmentally relevant exposure levels, on >>pathway-specific disruption of receptor tyrosine kinase (RTK) >>signaling required for cell division in central nervous system (CNS) >>progenitor cells. Relatively small toxicant-induced increases in >>oxidative status are associated with Fyn kinase activation, leading to >>secondary activation of the c-Cbl ubiquitin ligase. Fyn/c-Cbl pathway >>activation by these pro-oxidative changes causes specific reductions, >>in vitro and in vivo, in levels of the c-Cbl target platelet-derived >>growth factor receptor-a and other c-Cbl targets, but not of the TrkC >>RTK (which is not a c-Cbl target). Sequential Fyn and c-Cbl >>activation, with consequent pathway-specific suppression of RTK >>signaling, is induced by levels of methylmercury and lead that affect >>large segments of the population, as well as by paraquat, an organic >>herbicide. Our results identify a novel regulatory pathway of >>oxidant-mediated Fyn/c-Cbl activation as a shared mechanism of action >>of chemically diverse toxicants at environmentally relevant levels, >>and as a means by which increased oxidative status may disrupt >>mitogenic signaling. These results provide one of a small number of >>general mechanistic principles in toxicology, and the only such >>principle integrating toxicology, precursor cell biology, redox >>biology, and signaling pathway analysis in a predictive framework of >>broad potential relevance to the understanding of pro-oxidant–mediated >>disruption of normal development. >> >> >>>In a message dated 7/25/2008 4:15:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >>>quackadillian@... writes: >>> >>>There is a large body of research that shows that trichothecenes are >>>strongly potentiated by bacterial endotoxins like LPS. That reaction, in >>and >>>of itself, would explain many of the effects caused by water damaged >>>buildings. >>> >>>I agree, and would apply that model (LPS or otherwise potentiated immune >>>system) to the development of acquired hypersensitivities to other >>>xenobiotics as well. >>> >>>Really good research work, Quack. Nice job! >>> >>>Steve Temes >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008  Live Simply I believe that governments understand the Precautionary Principle but they do not think that it is important since their main concern is reducing complaints from industry groups. We Americans do not spend much time in being intelligently involved in the political and government processes and governments and politicians hear mostly from industry (except for some poorly-prepared whiners who are ignored for as long as possible). In my experience intelligent comment and concerns from the public are often well received, especially since they are so uncommon. Maybe we are just getting what we deserve. Jim H. White System Science Consulting Re: Detection of satratoxin g and h in indoor air from> a water-da...>> "I would posit that *there are multiple, common pathways that are> commonly impacted by multiple toxicants and that those areas are the> areas where the synergism between toxicants becomes extremely> important*.">> Quack,>> I don't know that much about how mercury acts as a "potentiator", but it> certainly can cause damage to the neurological system.>> The way I view the potentiated immune system being linked to acquired> hypersensitivities is analogous to how the immune system "learns" to> recognize> foreign invaders. There is innate immunity and acquired immunity. When> certain> biological or chemical substances are present during a period when immune> inflammatory agents are produced within the individual, the immune system> wants to> "recognize and remember" these invaders next time so it can mount an early> defense against them. Think about cold viruses or other disease causing> organisms> that you only get sick from one time and then you develop an immunity to> them.>> I think something similar is happening when the immune system becomes> sensitized to environmental contaminants that result in hypersensitivity> reactions> like reactive airways dysfunction syndrome (RADS) or MCS. In many ways it> is> similar to "becoming allergic", but the mechanism is other than IgE. It> seems> to often involve chemoreceptors that trigger nerve signals -- and often the> vanilloid receptor of the trigeminal nerve, which is the innate chemical> sensor.> I have read several good literature articles about neurogenic sensitization,> such as those written by Pall, Barbara Sorg and Meggs.>> When these acquired hypersensitivity mechanisms are better understood, I> think it will explain most of what "mold illness" is all about.>> Steve Temes>> In a message dated 7/26/2008 9:58:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,> quackadilliangmail writes:>>There are so many relationships like that, I am sure. What we REALLY>>need are good MODELS to understand and describe what is happening.>>>>I would posit that *there are multiple, common pathways that are>>commonly impacted by multiple toxicants and that those areas are the>>areas where the synergism between toxicants becomes extremely>>important*.>>>>The same things happen again and again, for different reasons, but they>>add>>up..>>>>This is TERRIFYING to me because I think that increasingly, "we" are>>apparently "deciding", it seems, as a society, to expose EVERYONE to>>increasing amounts of toxicants like mercury.. "to lower costs">>>>I notice that you live in the Northeast. Did you realize that changes>>in the kinds of coal that are being burned is increasing exposure to>>mercury dramatically in that area?>>>>- That said, please read this article.. (below)>>>>Does this seem as important to you as it does to me?>>>>http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document & >>doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0050035>>>>Chemically Diverse Toxicants Converge on Fyn and c-Cbl to Disrupt>>Precursor Cell Function>>>>Zaibo Li, Tiefei Dong, Pröschel, Mark Noble*>>>>1 Department of Biomedical Genetics, University of Rochester Medical>>Center, Rochester, New York, United States of America>>>>Identification of common mechanistic principles that shed light on the>>action of the many chemically diverse toxicants to which we are>>exposed is of central importance in understanding how toxicants>>disrupt normal cellular function and in developing more effective>>means of protecting against such effects. Of particular importance is>>identifying mechanisms operative at environmentally relevant toxicant>>exposure levels. Chemically diverse toxicants exhibit striking>>convergence, at environmentally relevant exposure levels, on>>pathway-specific disruption of receptor tyrosine kinase (RTK)>>signaling required for cell division in central nervous system (CNS)>>progenitor cells. Relatively small toxicant-induced increases in>>oxidative status are associated with Fyn kinase activation, leading to>>secondary activation of the c-Cbl ubiquitin ligase. Fyn/c-Cbl pathway>>activation by these pro-oxidative changes causes specific reductions,>>in vitro and in vivo, in levels of the c-Cbl target platelet-derived>>growth factor receptor-a and other c-Cbl targets, but not of the TrkC>>RTK (which is not a c-Cbl target). Sequential Fyn and c-Cbl>>activation, with consequent pathway-specific suppression of RTK>>signaling, is induced by levels of methylmercury and lead that affect>>large segments of the population, as well as by paraquat, an organic>>herbicide. Our results identify a novel regulatory pathway of>>oxidant-mediated Fyn/c-Cbl activation as a shared mechanism of action>>of chemically diverse toxicants at environmentally relevant levels,>>and as a means by which increased oxidative status may disrupt>>mitogenic signaling. These results provide one of a small number of>>general mechanistic principles in toxicology, and the only such>>principle integrating toxicology, precursor cell biology, redox>>biology, and signaling pathway analysis in a predictive framework of>>broad potential relevance to the understanding of pro-oxidant–mediated>>disruption of normal development.>>>>On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:50 PM, <AirwaysEnvcs> wrote:>>>In a message dated 7/25/2008 4:15:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,>>>quackadilliangmail writes:>>>>>>There is a large body of research that shows that trichothecenes are>>>strongly potentiated by bacterial endotoxins like LPS. That reaction, in>>and>>>of itself, would explain many of the effects caused by water damaged>>>buildings.>>>>>>I agree, and would apply that model (LPS or otherwise potentiated immune>>>system) to the development of acquired hypersensitivities to other>>>xenobiotics as well.>>>>>>Really good research work, Quack. Nice job!>>>>>>Steve Temes>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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