Guest guest Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 I have found that herbs alone only help some women, herbs and diet nearly all. Herbs and a dreadful diet rarely work. What has she done about her diet? Lots of phytoestrogens? All best Caroline Sheldrick Re: Menopause - Help! > > > > > Dear all - I thought about calling this email " another where did > I go wrong " ! > > I had an phone call from a pt today cancelling her next appt. I've > been seeing her for a couple of months for frequent, severe > menopausal hot sweats. She feels that the herbs haven't really > helped her and I have to agree! I've looked thru the archives and > have seen that other people have had pts that haven't responded to > tx for this Sx of the menopause. I've probably had 3 or 4 women who > I just don't seem to be able to help. Others who are okay for a > while and then get hot and sweaty again, and others who remain on > one mix for the whole time I see them with brilliant results! Oh, > the wonderful variability of the human body! What do other > practitioners do or advise their pts to do, when nothing seems to > work for hot sweats? > > Regards > > Sue Salmon > > Huddersfield > > Hi, > I can sympathise. There seemed to be a stage a while ago when I kept > getting meno pts and treatment successes were very variable. This > was after all the HRT negative publicity and so I was seeing many > more post-HRT pts than before. What I have since come to the > conclusion is - in general those pts who have never been near HRT > will usually respond readily within 3 to 5 weeks. Those who have had > HRT are not so predictable and I tell them so and sometimes > treatment success takes longer and needs some tweaking.If they have > been pre-warned then they are usually happier to stick it out. The > other variables include weight of pt, very small or very large can > be more difficult and also stress levels. The other considerations > are thyroid function and blood pressure/circulation. Also i remeber > one pt who had really problematic digestion and this then affects > how the herbs are digested, absorbed and utilised so we addressed > her GIT first before using any 'meno' herbs and that worked well. > Other medications to consider are anti-inflammatories, Antibiotics, > steroids (anything that may affect the GIT hence effectiveness of > herbs). > Herbs I usually find success with are Vitex (although prolonged use > after menses have ceased I have experienced causing flushes so I > tend to watch how long they are on this for), Cimcifuga, Dioscorea, > Eleuthrococcus, Glycyrrhiza glabra, Borago, Atropa, CHamaelerium (I > try not to use this but if sx very stubborn then I haven't yet come > accross anything else that compares), sinensis, Paeonia > lactiflora, Hypericum, Valeriana, Urtica fol. > > e Geyer > Dunfermline/Glasgow > > ---------- > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/268 - Release Date: > 23/02/2006 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 There are a few that don't get anywhere without adrenal herbs - I often use Withania and another adaptogen, usually Eleutherococcus or Rhodiola. They usually need HUGE amounts of minerals - a liquid mineral, nettles, alfalfa and often kelp as well. SJW as a nervine is also great. The pituitary responds incredibly to minerals - if diet is changed and the deficit addresses i don't always need to give the " hormonal " herbs. Fidler --- Caroline Sheldrick wrote: > I have found that herbs alone only help some women, > herbs and diet nearly > all. Herbs and a dreadful diet rarely work. > What has she done about her diet? Lots of > phytoestrogens? > All best > Caroline Sheldrick > Re: Menopause - Help! > > > > > > > > > > Dear all - I thought about calling this email > " another where did > > I go wrong " ! > > > I had an phone call from a pt today cancelling > her next appt. I've > > been seeing her for a couple of months for > frequent, severe > > menopausal hot sweats. She feels that the herbs > haven't really > > helped her and I have to agree! I've looked thru > the archives and > > have seen that other people have had pts that > haven't responded to > > tx for this Sx of the menopause. I've probably had > 3 or 4 women who > > I just don't seem to be able to help. Others who > are okay for a > > while and then get hot and sweaty again, and > others who remain on > > one mix for the whole time I see them with > brilliant results! Oh, > > the wonderful variability of the human body! What > do other > > practitioners do or advise their pts to do, when > nothing seems to > > work for hot sweats? > > > Regards > > > Sue Salmon > > > Huddersfield > > > > Hi, > > I can sympathise. There seemed to be a stage a > while ago when I kept > > getting meno pts and treatment successes were very > variable. This > > was after all the HRT negative publicity and so I > was seeing many > > more post-HRT pts than before. What I have since > come to the > > conclusion is - in general those pts who have > never been near HRT > > will usually respond readily within 3 to 5 weeks. > Those who have had > > HRT are not so predictable and I tell them so and > sometimes > > treatment success takes longer and needs some > tweaking.If they have > > been pre-warned then they are usually happier to > stick it out. The > > other variables include weight of pt, very small > or very large can > > be more difficult and also stress levels. The > other considerations > > are thyroid function and blood > pressure/circulation. Also i remeber > > one pt who had really problematic digestion and > this then affects > > how the herbs are digested, absorbed and utilised > so we addressed > > her GIT first before using any 'meno' herbs and > that worked well. > > Other medications to consider are > anti-inflammatories, Antibiotics, > > steroids (anything that may affect the GIT hence > effectiveness of > > herbs). > > Herbs I usually find success with are Vitex > (although prolonged use > > after menses have ceased I have experienced > causing flushes so I > > tend to watch how long they are on this for), > Cimcifuga, Dioscorea, > > Eleuthrococcus, Glycyrrhiza glabra, Borago, > Atropa, CHamaelerium (I > > try not to use this but if sx very stubborn then I > haven't yet come > > accross anything else that compares), > sinensis, Paeonia > > lactiflora, Hypericum, Valeriana, Urtica fol. > > > > e Geyer > > Dunfermline/Glasgow > > > ---------- > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/268 - > Release Date: > > 23/02/2006 > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 The mechanism for hot flushes is not fully understood but serotonin and possibly LH seem to play a role and both are affected by oestrogen. Cimicifuga is a partial serotonin agonist binding strongly to 8 out of 10 human receptors (5-HT) especially two types of receptors found in the hypothalamus a key area for thermoregulation. SJW also raises serotonin levels (Prozac has been successfully used to treat hot flushes as well). Together I find they work well and I also use Astragalus as that is said to help with flushing but I do not know the mechanism in that case. Dore Re: Menopause - Help! >> >> >> > >> > > >> > > Dear all - I thought about calling this email >> " another where did >> > I go wrong " ! >> > > I had an phone call from a pt today cancelling >> her next appt. I've >> > been seeing her for a couple of months for >> frequent, severe >> > menopausal hot sweats. She feels that the herbs >> haven't really >> > helped her and I have to agree! I've looked thru >> the archives and >> > have seen that other people have had pts that >> haven't responded to >> > tx for this Sx of the menopause. I've probably had >> 3 or 4 women who >> > I just don't seem to be able to help. Others who >> are okay for a >> > while and then get hot and sweaty again, and >> others who remain on >> > one mix for the whole time I see them with >> brilliant results! Oh, >> > the wonderful variability of the human body! What >> do other >> > practitioners do or advise their pts to do, when >> nothing seems to >> > work for hot sweats? >> > > Regards >> > > Sue Salmon >> > > Huddersfield >> > >> > Hi, >> > I can sympathise. There seemed to be a stage a >> while ago when I kept >> > getting meno pts and treatment successes were very >> variable. This >> > was after all the HRT negative publicity and so I >> was seeing many >> > more post-HRT pts than before. What I have since >> come to the >> > conclusion is - in general those pts who have >> never been near HRT >> > will usually respond readily within 3 to 5 weeks. >> Those who have had >> > HRT are not so predictable and I tell them so and >> sometimes >> > treatment success takes longer and needs some >> tweaking.If they have >> > been pre-warned then they are usually happier to >> stick it out. The >> > other variables include weight of pt, very small >> or very large can >> > be more difficult and also stress levels. The >> other considerations >> > are thyroid function and blood >> pressure/circulation. Also i remeber >> > one pt who had really problematic digestion and >> this then affects >> > how the herbs are digested, absorbed and utilised >> so we addressed >> > her GIT first before using any 'meno' herbs and >> that worked well. >> > Other medications to consider are >> anti-inflammatories, Antibiotics, >> > steroids (anything that may affect the GIT hence >> effectiveness of >> > herbs). >> > Herbs I usually find success with are Vitex >> (although prolonged use >> > after menses have ceased I have experienced >> causing flushes so I >> > tend to watch how long they are on this for), >> Cimcifuga, Dioscorea, >> > Eleuthrococcus, Glycyrrhiza glabra, Borago, >> Atropa, CHamaelerium (I >> > try not to use this but if sx very stubborn then I >> haven't yet come >> > accross anything else that compares), >> sinensis, Paeonia >> > lactiflora, Hypericum, Valeriana, Urtica fol. >> > >> > e Geyer >> > Dunfermline/Glasgow >> > > ---------- >> > > >> > > No virus found in this outgoing message. >> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/268 - >> Release Date: >> > 23/02/2006 >> > > >> > > >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been >> removed] >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Dear susan, does this approach work for just night sweats, I have a new patient with severe night sweats, but nothing in the day.she is otherwise well and has an excellent diet, she has taken HRT in the past thanks sally > >Reply-To: ukherbal-list >To: ukherbal-list >Subject: Re: Re: Menopause - Help! >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:28:55 -0800 (PST) > >There are a few that don't get anywhere without >adrenal herbs - I often use Withania and another >adaptogen, usually Eleutherococcus or Rhodiola. They >usually need HUGE amounts of minerals - a liquid >mineral, nettles, alfalfa and often kelp as well. SJW >as a nervine is also great. The pituitary responds >incredibly to minerals - if diet is changed and the >deficit addresses i don't always need to give the > " hormonal " herbs. > Fidler > >--- Caroline Sheldrick >wrote: > > > I have found that herbs alone only help some women, > > herbs and diet nearly > > all. Herbs and a dreadful diet rarely work. > > What has she done about her diet? Lots of > > phytoestrogens? > > All best > > Caroline Sheldrick > > Re: Menopause - Help! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all - I thought about calling this email > > " another where did > > > I go wrong " ! > > > > I had an phone call from a pt today cancelling > > her next appt. I've > > > been seeing her for a couple of months for > > frequent, severe > > > menopausal hot sweats. She feels that the herbs > > haven't really > > > helped her and I have to agree! I've looked thru > > the archives and > > > have seen that other people have had pts that > > haven't responded to > > > tx for this Sx of the menopause. I've probably had > > 3 or 4 women who > > > I just don't seem to be able to help. Others who > > are okay for a > > > while and then get hot and sweaty again, and > > others who remain on > > > one mix for the whole time I see them with > > brilliant results! Oh, > > > the wonderful variability of the human body! What > > do other > > > practitioners do or advise their pts to do, when > > nothing seems to > > > work for hot sweats? > > > > Regards > > > > Sue Salmon > > > > Huddersfield > > > > > > Hi, > > > I can sympathise. There seemed to be a stage a > > while ago when I kept > > > getting meno pts and treatment successes were very > > variable. This > > > was after all the HRT negative publicity and so I > > was seeing many > > > more post-HRT pts than before. What I have since > > come to the > > > conclusion is - in general those pts who have > > never been near HRT > > > will usually respond readily within 3 to 5 weeks. > > Those who have had > > > HRT are not so predictable and I tell them so and > > sometimes > > > treatment success takes longer and needs some > > tweaking.If they have > > > been pre-warned then they are usually happier to > > stick it out. The > > > other variables include weight of pt, very small > > or very large can > > > be more difficult and also stress levels. The > > other considerations > > > are thyroid function and blood > > pressure/circulation. Also i remeber > > > one pt who had really problematic digestion and > > this then affects > > > how the herbs are digested, absorbed and utilised > > so we addressed > > > her GIT first before using any 'meno' herbs and > > that worked well. > > > Other medications to consider are > > anti-inflammatories, Antibiotics, > > > steroids (anything that may affect the GIT hence > > effectiveness of > > > herbs). > > > Herbs I usually find success with are Vitex > > (although prolonged use > > > after menses have ceased I have experienced > > causing flushes so I > > > tend to watch how long they are on this for), > > Cimcifuga, Dioscorea, > > > Eleuthrococcus, Glycyrrhiza glabra, Borago, > > Atropa, CHamaelerium (I > > > try not to use this but if sx very stubborn then I > > haven't yet come > > > accross anything else that compares), > > sinensis, Paeonia > > > lactiflora, Hypericum, Valeriana, Urtica fol. > > > > > > e Geyer > > > Dunfermline/Glasgow > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/268 - > > Release Date: > > > 23/02/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Ususally, Y --- sally moorcroft wrote: > Dear susan, > does this approach work for just night sweats, I > have a new patient with > severe night sweats, but nothing in the day.she is > otherwise well and has an > excellent diet, she has taken HRT in the past > > thanks sally > > > > > >Reply-To: ukherbal-list > >To: ukherbal-list > >Subject: Re: Re: Menopause - Help! > >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:28:55 -0800 (PST) > > > >There are a few that don't get anywhere without > >adrenal herbs - I often use Withania and another > >adaptogen, usually Eleutherococcus or Rhodiola. > They > >usually need HUGE amounts of minerals - a liquid > >mineral, nettles, alfalfa and often kelp as well. > SJW > >as a nervine is also great. The pituitary responds > >incredibly to minerals - if diet is changed and the > >deficit addresses i don't always need to give the > > " hormonal " herbs. > > Fidler > > > >--- Caroline Sheldrick > > >wrote: > > > > > I have found that herbs alone only help some > women, > > > herbs and diet nearly > > > all. Herbs and a dreadful diet rarely work. > > > What has she done about her diet? Lots of > > > phytoestrogens? > > > All best > > > Caroline Sheldrick > > > Re: Menopause - Help! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all - I thought about calling this > email > > > " another where did > > > > I go wrong " ! > > > > > I had an phone call from a pt today > cancelling > > > her next appt. I've > > > > been seeing her for a couple of months for > > > frequent, severe > > > > menopausal hot sweats. She feels that the > herbs > > > haven't really > > > > helped her and I have to agree! I've looked > thru > > > the archives and > > > > have seen that other people have had pts that > > > haven't responded to > > > > tx for this Sx of the menopause. I've probably > had > > > 3 or 4 women who > > > > I just don't seem to be able to help. Others > who > > > are okay for a > > > > while and then get hot and sweaty again, and > > > others who remain on > > > > one mix for the whole time I see them with > > > brilliant results! Oh, > > > > the wonderful variability of the human body! > What > > > do other > > > > practitioners do or advise their pts to do, > when > > > nothing seems to > > > > work for hot sweats? > > > > > Regards > > > > > Sue Salmon > > > > > Huddersfield > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I can sympathise. There seemed to be a stage a > > > while ago when I kept > > > > getting meno pts and treatment successes were > very > > > variable. This > > > > was after all the HRT negative publicity and > so I > > > was seeing many > > > > more post-HRT pts than before. What I have > since > > > come to the > > > > conclusion is - in general those pts who have > > > never been near HRT > > > > will usually respond readily within 3 to 5 > weeks. > > > Those who have had > > > > HRT are not so predictable and I tell them so > and > > > sometimes > > > > treatment success takes longer and needs some > > > tweaking.If they have > > > > been pre-warned then they are usually happier > to > > > stick it out. The > > > > other variables include weight of pt, very > small > > > or very large can > > > > be more difficult and also stress levels. The > > > other considerations > > > > are thyroid function and blood > > > pressure/circulation. Also i remeber > > > > one pt who had really problematic digestion > and > > > this then affects > > > > how the herbs are digested, absorbed and > utilised > > > so we addressed > > > > her GIT first before using any 'meno' herbs > and > > > that worked well. > > > > Other medications to consider are > > > anti-inflammatories, Antibiotics, > > > > steroids (anything that may affect the GIT > hence > > > effectiveness of > > > > herbs). > > > > Herbs I usually find success with are Vitex > > > (although prolonged use > > > > after menses have ceased I have experienced > > > causing flushes so I > > > > tend to watch how long they are on this for), > > > Cimcifuga, Dioscorea, > > > > Eleuthrococcus, Glycyrrhiza glabra, Borago, > > > Atropa, CHamaelerium (I > > > > try not to use this but if sx very stubborn > then I > > > haven't yet come > > > > accross anything else that compares), > > > sinensis, Paeonia > > > > lactiflora, Hypericum, Valeriana, Urtica fol. > > > > > > > > e Geyer > > > > Dunfermline/Glasgow > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: > 268.0.0/268 - > > > Release Date: > > > > 23/02/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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