Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 For some reason I don't like the idea of using anything for sleep but> we are getting a bit desperate about getting our son to sleep at> night... >>Can you elaborate on why? Supplements are to effect a change in the body chemicals that are stopping him from sleeping, they don't drug them like prescription stuff. I have read of IP6 being helpful but it will likely 'chelate' essential minerals (that's what most people use it for)so you need to be careful with it. Melatonin is helpful to us when Sam is out of sinc, we use it for a few days to reestablish his sleep cycle and then he is OK for a few more weeks. Its the same stuff people use for jetlag and getting back on track with timing. Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Mandi - please could you elaborate a bit on your comment about IP6 "chelating" essential minerals. This is a bit worrying - I had not heard this before and cannot find any references to it online. >>I had this saved, I forget where from IP6 is an efficient mineral chelator and therefore should be taken only on an empty stomach I think whats its saying is it will chelate whats in the stomach rather than take out of system??? Most use it to chelate reactive iron (as in its not going where it should be and that causes increased oxidative stress). Dana used it in high doses over a long period to rid her son of calcium. Will try to find more info for you. I guess if they are having it at night it will be empty tummy anyways? What is the mechanism for helping sleep supposed to be? Its a long time since a read up on this one......... Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 many thanks Sally, Mandi & Lucinda for the replies and specially the explanations Begona Re: IP6- sleep In a message dated 08/09/2008 16:19:49 GMT Daylight Time, bobsallyeva@ ntlworld. com writes: For some reason I don't like the idea of using anything for sleep but> we are getting a bit desperate about getting our son to sleep at> night... >>Can you elaborate on why? Supplements are to effect a change in the body chemicals that are stopping him from sleeping, they don't drug them like prescription stuff. I have read of IP6 being helpful but it will likely 'chelate' essential minerals (that's what most people use it for)so you need to be careful with it. Melatonin is helpful to us when Sam is out of sinc, we use it for a few days to reestablish his sleep cycle and then he is OK for a few more weeks. Its the same stuff people use for jetlag and getting back on track with timing. Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Hi Begona We had huge problems with Sofia's sleep at the beginning of this year. We used a combination of calmers (GABA, IP6, L-theanine and 5htp) which helped with sleep and also led to an improvement in her language, social interaction and anxiety levels. IP6 is also a good antioxidant. We also did clear outs every two weeks as her sleep gets much worse when she is loaded. Mandi - please could you elaborate a bit on your comment about IP6 "chelating" essential minerals. This is a bit worrying - I had not heard this before and cannot find any references to it online. Best Rabab To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:03:55 -0400Subject: Re: IP6- sleep In a message dated 08/09/2008 16:19:49 GMT Daylight Time, bobsallyevantlworld writes: For some reason I don't like the idea of using anything for sleep but> we are getting a bit desperate about getting our son to sleep at> night... >>Can you elaborate on why? Supplements are to effect a change in the body chemicals that are stopping him from sleeping, they don't drug them like prescription stuff. I have read of IP6 being helpful but it will likely 'chelate' essential minerals (that's what most people use it for)so you need to be careful with it. Melatonin is helpful to us when Sam is out of sinc, we use it for a few days to reestablish his sleep cycle and then he is OK for a few more weeks. Its the same stuff people use for jetlag and getting back on track with timing. Mandi x Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone Try it Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hi , Below is what I found in wikipedia, it does mention chelating effect on minerals, specially iron. I don't know the mechanism to help sustain sleep. It was recommended to us by Dr. Heard just before he left and at that time we didn't start using it since we were trying to find out what was exactly Nico's pain and we had to put biomed on hold. He did say to give at bedtime so as Madi says on empty stomach. Phytic acid may be considered a phytonutrient, providing an antioxidant effect.[11][1] Phytic acid's same mineral binding properties may also prevent colon cancer by reducing oxidative stress in the lumen of the intestinal tract.[12] Researchers now believe that phytic acid, found in the fiber of legumes and grains, is the major ingredient responsible for preventing colon cancer and other cancers.[1][13] Phytic acid's chelating effect may serve to prevent, inhibit, or even cure some cancers by depriving those cells of the minerals (especially iron) they need to reproduce.[1] The deprivation of essential minerals like iron would, much like other broad treatments for cancers, also have negative effects on non-cancerous cells. It is unknown whether this would affect other cells in the body that require iron (such as red blood cells) or whether the deprivation of minerals is more localized to the internal colon region.[citation needed] Phytic acid has no known toxicity and is not known to cause mutagenic activity.[citation needed] It may have more therapeutic value when added to water rather than when naturally absorbed in foods, as it is difficult to free from fiber.[citation needed] Phytic acid is one of few chelating therapies used for uranium removal.[citation needed] As a food additive, phytic acid is used as a preservative with E number E391.[citation needed] Food must be well cooked in order to free IP6 from the fiber and enable it to be absorbed in the gastrointestinal system.[citation needed] IP6 rarely appears in soluble fiber. It is usually attached to the bran, the hard (insoluble) fiber, which is difficult to digest.[citation needed] IP6 is found in legumes, peas, wheat, barley, and oats.[citation needed] Of any studied legumes, whole soybeans have the highest levels of phytic acid.[citation needed] Those that argue for the beneficial effects of phytic acid, and freeing it up for interaction with the system through cooking, do not argue that cooking destroys the phytic acid.[citation needed]This is a major deviation between those arguing for the merits of processed grain products.[citation needed] [edit] References Re: IP6- sleep In a message dated 08/09/2008 22:40:39 GMT Daylight Time, rabab_abedi@ hotmail.com writes: Mandi - please could you elaborate a bit on your comment about IP6 "chelating" essential minerals. This is a bit worrying - I had not heard this before and cannot find any references to it online. >>I had this saved, I forget where from IP6 is an efficient mineral chelator and therefore should be taken only on an empty stomach I think whats its saying is it will chelate whats in the stomach rather than take out of system??? Most use it to chelate reactive iron (as in its not going where it should be and that causes increased oxidative stress). Dana used it in high doses over a long period to rid her son of calcium. Will try to find more info for you. I guess if they are having it at night it will be empty tummy anyways? What is the mechanism for helping sleep supposed to be? Its a long time since a read up on this one......... Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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