Re: Whiplash and Anxiety!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I think I'm in the same frustrating boat with you, so I'll take the other

paddle. I just received a letter saying that my doctor has deemed me

permanent and stationary. He has done this without seeing me in the last 6

weeks. Of course the PT guy I've been seeing has continued to write to the

doctor that I continue to re-injure myself on a daily basis. The work-

mans comp. ins, company has discontinued not only the therapy but also bi-

monthly checks. His letter does state that there is permanent damage, but the

ins. company has decided that they have paid me enough....about $1800.

I still can't lift my arm more that about waist to chest level. I myself have

hired a Workman's Comp. Lawyer who has dealt with this particular carrier.

( All teachers in California I think have the same one)

Now what to do about the amount of money owed to the PT office? They

discontinued everything on Feb.22, but I just got the letter Friday.

, I really do understand your frustration and fear. If I find out any

information that would be helpful to you I will send it on. In the mean time

we'll keep rowing together.

Kathleen

[Guest guest]

Oh hon....I'm so sorry to hear that...

I have whiplash from a car accident and have headaches all the time along with

depression, back neck and shoulder pain...

Sometimes it's all I can do to get out of bed....

And it's so hard....how one accident can cause all these problems....

I find I can't drive and get very dizzy a lot of the time....

And your employer is not being very helpful - I had to take mine to court before

they would accept that my whiplash was serious and disabling...

I wish I could hug you and tell you it gets better...but all we can do is

struggle on...trying to live a normal life...even though it doesn't feel

normal...

Sending you lots of hugssssss and thinking of you....

a

Phase34@... wrote:

> From: Phase34@...

>

> Hi everyone,

> I have a hearing next week with the worker's comp board to determine if my MVA

> was occupational since I was on my way to a vocational rehab. appoint. at the

> time it occured. I have much pain from my whiplash, especially my

> neck, and my upper back (myofascial pain) that was previously injured at work

> last March. My doctor so far has ordered no tests other than a

> neuro/phychology

> eval. It was determined I suffered from a severe whiplash, but the doc did not

> think I

> had any brain injury. It has been almost 2 months now since I was rear-ended

> by a big truck. I get dizzy spells often, and vertigo if I try to do any

> shopping or driving. Makes me very nauseated. Also getting " killer " migraines

> every day. Never had that before. I am having " high " anxiety do to the

> accident and severe depression. I can't

> stop shaking. Feels like my whole body is trembling. Unable to relax. I can't

> sleep

> for more than 2 hrs straight. Has anyone else experienced this with a

> whiplash injury. This is my first accident and I am 34. I am so confused. I

> can't seem to concentrate on anything. I would like a shoulder to lean on.

> Things around me seem to be falling a part. My medical insurance will no

> longer be paid for by my employer

> because my sick leave and PTO is exhausted. I have no money to continue the

> high premium on my own. My employer notified me of this yesterday, and in the

> letter in stated my insurance was paid through february 6. Is this fair? I

> had no prior warning.

> And now they tell me this 5 weeks later??? In the meantime what about all the

> prescriptions and doctors visits I had after Feb. 6. How was I to know???

> Also my employer is giving me a " hard " time about receiving my Long term

> disability insurance that is owed to me, since I have not worked since August

> of last year.

> They finally sent me the paperwork to get it started 6 weeks after asking for

> it, and

> 3 phone calls to this same lady. I am also told it will take 2 to 3 months to

> get my first check. I am very, very depressed.

>

> Tears of desperation,

> Your friend in Pain,

>

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Hi ;

I can't relate to the pain you must be having. I also had 2 accidents

similar to yours, where one nailed me head on in a car and the second was

being rear-ended while I was riding a motorbike. Both times, in that

fraction of a second where your life passes before your eyes, I loosened

myself up like a wet noodle and walked away from both without a scratch. At

least I think I did because my pre-existing condition did not get any worse.

The financial and legal hassles you are experiencing are unfortunately all

too common. I would be surprised if even one of the members on this list has

ever had a " clear cut " here's your money and benefits without going through

the all the negative dehumanizing things that insurance companies can put

you through. I know it's of no comfort right now, but we have all

experienced this in one form or another. I won't burden you with the details

of my ordeal only to say that it took about 8 years, after which they

revoked it and tried to get me to reimburse everything, followed by a court

ruling 2 years later that I was indeed entitled and did not have to give

anything back. The ruling did not compensate for the 2 years of phone calls

and letters hounding me for the money. Neither did it give me the

satisfaction of an apology when things were finally determined in my favour.

Maybe I was the one who should have apologized and thanked them for finally

seeing things my way !

In an email a while ago, I said that Insurance companies are in business to

sell insurance, not to dish any money out. Legal proceedings, hearings and

all those re-testing often take years to come to an end. As far as I know,

the only way to resolve this in a speedy fashion is to have the money to pay

a decent lawyer to pressure them into settling up. My brother who is an

attorney deplores the fact that " Everyone is equal under the law, but some

are just more equal than others " , referring to the wealthier or 'better

connected' part of society.

If I can give you just one word of advice, from personal experience, it's to

not bother (in fact just don't ever) put on a 'good front'. Let your

feelings, emotional and physical, show for all to see. It may be degrading

for a while but I think you stand a better chance. My misplaced pride made

me dress up, groom myself, try to smile, be " cool " , be reasonable and so on.

All it got me was statements like : " this claimant is obviously not doing too

bad " , or " he seems well adjusted " , etc. All along inside, I was screaming in

pain but my pride wouldn't let me express it. We all have this pride in

varying degrees. Leave it at home until the time when things are settled,

then put on your 'good face' again when this is over. The last hearings I

attended wearing slippers and purposely without medication to give them a

taste of what pain looks like. I believe it may have helped.

We are social animals. We smile for no reason. We try to accommodate

everyone. We don't frown at strangers for no reason. It's time to let your

animalistic instincts of self-preservation come back to light. One more

thing: document _everything_. I have a 2 inch + file of things that were

done to me. It comes in handy when I want to make the point that I've

suffered enough.

Hang in there and remember that you have friends here. You can cry on our

shoulders as much as you need to. That's what we're here for. Some day, we

could be crying on yours.

Mike

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> From: Phase34@...

>

> Hi everyone,

> I have a hearing next week with the worker's comp board to

> determine if my MVA

> was occupational since I was on my way to a vocational rehab.

> appoint. at the

> time it occured. I have much pain from my whiplash, especially my

> neck, and my upper back (myofascial pain) that was previously

> injured at work

> last March. My doctor so far has ordered no tests other than a

> neuro/phychology

> eval. It was determined I suffered from a severe whiplash, but

> the doc did not

> think I

> had any brain injury. It has been almost 2 months now since I

> was rear-ended

> by a big truck. I get dizzy spells often, and vertigo if I try to do any

> shopping or driving. Makes me very nauseated. Also getting

> " killer " migraines

> every day. Never had that before. I am having " high " anxiety do to the

> accident and severe depression. I can't

> stop shaking. Feels like my whole body is trembling. Unable to

> relax. I can't

> sleep

> for more than 2 hrs straight. Has anyone else experienced this with a

> whiplash injury. This is my first accident and I am 34. I am so

> confused. I

> can't seem to concentrate on anything. I would like a shoulder to lean on.

> Things around me seem to be falling a part. My medical insurance will no

> longer be paid for by my employer

> because my sick leave and PTO is exhausted. I have no money to

> continue the

> high premium on my own. My employer notified me of this

> yesterday, and in the

> letter in stated my insurance was paid through february 6. Is

> this fair? I

> had no prior warning.

> And now they tell me this 5 weeks later??? In the meantime what

> about all the

> prescriptions and doctors visits I had after Feb. 6. How was I to know???

> Also my employer is giving me a " hard " time about receiving my Long term

> disability insurance that is owed to me, since I have not worked

> since August

> of last year.

> They finally sent me the paperwork to get it started 6 weeks

> after asking for

> it, and

> 3 phone calls to this same lady. I am also told it will take 2

> to 3 months to

> get my first check. I am very, very depressed.

>

> Tears of desperation,

> Your friend in Pain,

>

>

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In a message dated 3/14/99 10:59:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,

byteme@... writes:

> All along inside, I was screaming in pain but my pride wouldn't let me

express it.

I never thought of what I was doing as pride. I just functioned because I

thought that it was expected of me. People are often surprised when I say I am

disabled. I " look so healthy " is the first response from most observers.

Your advice is sound. In order for the various representatives to be able to

understand your pain, they have to see it. Pain is subjective and sadly, if a

person functions in spite of pain the usual response is that " it cannot be

that serious. "

I have had several church people be completely surprised at my crumbling in

their presence simply because I always come across as healthier, more

functioning than I am.

Mad

[Guest guest]

Hi a,

Among my collection of pain trophies is one whiplash accident. It

seemed harmless at the time, but only later did I discover that pain would

not go away & when winter came, I had excruciating neck & head pain, with 2

sided intense headaches.

Since I have other problems & was on meds at the time, the meds

were probably hiding some of the damage. The hospital x-rays showed only a

tiny bone chip floating in my neck that was considered harmless.

Well, later I found a friendly doctor who agreed to evaluate all

the parts of my body that were problems. Had a neck MRI to look for

internal spine & soft tissue damage. Had quite a surprise when the test

came back showing hidden damage: : 3 cervical disks *crushed* into the

spinal canal & pressing on the spinal cord!.

There may be more than you think going on, and the only way to find

out is part luck in locating a good doctor who will work with you (if you

haven't already got one) and *exhaustive* testing. Your post suggests some

possible conclusion, which should get better, but also more physical

damage, which can be treated surgically or non-surgically. For instance, I

won't have any surgery that high on my neck because of risks, and my TENS

helps both the pain & headaches (so did moving to the warm & dry climate of

Las Vegas).

Living as you do with perhaps little or no relief, and now faced

with confusion about what you can do and a very much changed life to boot

is a miserable thing. I can't guess whether you are more in depression or

real agony or both. If this was a MVA, then there should be an insurance

company you can be billing for more good medical care & possibly

rehabilitation right now, and a settlement later.

Although you feel awful right now, the outlook is not as bad as it

may appear. There is treatment for the problems you have & you could be

made to feel better. I won't go into it here, but a real pain specialist could.

Ken

At 10:19 PM 3/14/99 +1100, you wrote:

>

>

>Oh hon....I'm so sorry to hear that...

>I have whiplash from a car accident and have headaches all the time along

>with depression, back neck and shoulder pain...

>Sometimes it's all I can do to get out of bed....

>And it's so hard....how one accident can cause all these problems....

>I find I can't drive and get very dizzy a lot of the time....

>And your employer is not being very helpful - I had to take mine to court

>before they would accept that my whiplash was serious and disabling...

>I wish I could hug you and tell you it gets better...but all we can do is

>struggle on...trying to live a normal life...even though it doesn't feel

>normal...

>Sending you lots of hugssssss and thinking of you....

>a

>

>

>Phase34@... wrote:

>

>> From: Phase34@...

>>

>> Hi everyone,

>> I have a hearing next week with the worker's comp board to determine if

>> my MVA

>> was occupational since I was on my way to a vocational rehab. appoint.

>> at the

>> time it occured. I have much pain from my whiplash, especially my

>> neck, and my upper back (myofascial pain) that was previously injured

>> at work

>> last March. My doctor so far has ordered no tests other than a

>> neuro/phychology

>> eval. It was determined I suffered from a severe whiplash, but the doc

>> did not

>> think I

>> had any brain injury. It has been almost 2 months now since I was

>> rear-ended

>> by a big truck. I get dizzy spells often, and vertigo if I try to do any

>> shopping or driving. Makes me very nauseated. Also getting " killer "

>> migraines

>> every day. Never had that before. I am having " high " anxiety do to the

>> accident and severe depression. I can't

>> stop shaking. Feels like my whole body is trembling. Unable to relax. I

>> can't

>> sleep

>> for more than 2 hrs straight. Has anyone else experienced this with a

>> whiplash injury. This is my first accident and I am 34. I am so confused. I

>> can't seem to concentrate on anything. I would like a shoulder to lean on.

>> Things around me seem to be falling a part. My medical insurance will no

>> longer be paid for by my employer

>> because my sick leave and PTO is exhausted. I have no money to continue the

>> high premium on my own. My employer notified me of this yesterday, and

>> in the

>> letter in stated my insurance was paid through february 6. Is this fair? I

>> had no prior warning.

>> And now they tell me this 5 weeks later??? In the meantime what about

>> all the

>> prescriptions and doctors visits I had after Feb. 6. How was I to know???

>> Also my employer is giving me a " hard " time about receiving my Long term

>> disability insurance that is owed to me, since I have not worked since

>> August

>> of last year.

>> They finally sent me the paperwork to get it started 6 weeks after

>> asking for

>> it, and

>> 3 phone calls to this same lady. I am also told it will take 2 to 3

>> months to

>> get my first check. I am very, very depressed.

>>

>> Tears of desperation,

>> Your friend in Pain,

>>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ken,

thanks for your posting....

I have had MRI's, cat scans, bone scans, xrays and numerous injections into the

spine, neck and head - nothing shows up which makes it difficult because then

people tend to

think that you're making it up *sigh*....

I've got some good doctors (and bad ones...)....and anything new that comes out

we try...I'm currently on a new drug called Sibelium that's only experimental

here in

Australia - it's not working for me but I'll be seeing my specialist again in

early April to see if there's anything to try....

It is hard....constantly trying to find ANYTHING that might help...anything that

might show I actually do have a problem!!!...

One thing, the ONLY thing that shows that my body is totally out of whack is

thermography -w ehre your body gets photographed with a heat/cold sensor...and

it shows up

spots in your body that are unusual (or usual) - the woman who did it said she'd

never seen anything like mine and the person who instructed her in the use of it

(a

specialist doctor) is actually using my scans to show people how messed up

people's bodies can get (I THINK I should take that as a compliment *smile*)....

I've tried TENS machine...it just made the pain so much worse...I couldn't bear

it....

I've tried aromatherapy, physio, chiro, reflexology, faith healing, bowen

technique, kinesiology...now going to try feldenkrais....am determined that

SOMETHING has to

help.....

I am getting ongoing compensation benefits through my employer but we had to go

to court for that (took 4 years...not long I guess but so hard...)...but they

now want to

get rid of me, so we've got another fight on their hands....I guess because of

my age, they don't want to have to pay me for the next 40 + years till I can

retire.....

Oh well...enough about me...just some information....

take care all..

HUGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

a

Turbin wrote:

>

>

> Hi a,

>

> Among my collection of pain trophies is one whiplash accident. It

> seemed harmless at the time, but only later did I discover that pain would

> not go away & when winter came, I had excruciating neck & head pain, with 2

> sided intense headaches.

>

> Since I have other problems & was on meds at the time, the meds

> were probably hiding some of the damage. The hospital x-rays showed only a

> tiny bone chip floating in my neck that was considered harmless.

>

> Well, later I found a friendly doctor who agreed to evaluate all

> the parts of my body that were problems. Had a neck MRI to look for

> internal spine & soft tissue damage. Had quite a surprise when the test

> came back showing hidden damage: : 3 cervical disks *crushed* into the

> spinal canal & pressing on the spinal cord!.

>

> There may be more than you think going on, and the only way to find

> out is part luck in locating a good doctor who will work with you (if you

> haven't already got one) and *exhaustive* testing. Your post suggests some

> possible conclusion, which should get better, but also more physical

> damage, which can be treated surgically or non-surgically. For instance, I

> won't have any surgery that high on my neck because of risks, and my TENS

> helps both the pain & headaches (so did moving to the warm & dry climate of

> Las Vegas).

>

> Living as you do with perhaps little or no relief, and now faced

> with confusion about what you can do and a very much changed life to boot

> is a miserable thing. I can't guess whether you are more in depression or

> real agony or both. If this was a MVA, then there should be an insurance

> company you can be billing for more good medical care & possibly

> rehabilitation right now, and a settlement later.

>

> Although you feel awful right now, the outlook is not as bad as it

> may appear. There is treatment for the problems you have & you could be

> made to feel better. I won't go into it here, but a real pain specialist

could.

>

> Ken

>

> At 10:19 PM 3/14/99 +1100, you wrote:

> >

> >

> >Oh hon....I'm so sorry to hear that...

> >I have whiplash from a car accident and have headaches all the time along

> >with depression, back neck and shoulder pain...

> >Sometimes it's all I can do to get out of bed....

> >And it's so hard....how one accident can cause all these problems....

> >I find I can't drive and get very dizzy a lot of the time....

> >And your employer is not being very helpful - I had to take mine to court

> >before they would accept that my whiplash was serious and disabling...

> >I wish I could hug you and tell you it gets better...but all we can do is

> >struggle on...trying to live a normal life...even though it doesn't feel

> >normal...

> >Sending you lots of hugssssss and thinking of you....

> >a

> >

> >

> >Phase34@... wrote:

> >

> >> From: Phase34@...

> >>

> >> Hi everyone,

> >> I have a hearing next week with the worker's comp board to determine if

> >> my MVA

> >> was occupational since I was on my way to a vocational rehab. appoint.

> >> at the

> >> time it occured. I have much pain from my whiplash, especially my

> >> neck, and my upper back (myofascial pain) that was previously injured

> >> at work

> >> last March. My doctor so far has ordered no tests other than a

> >> neuro/phychology

> >> eval. It was determined I suffered from a severe whiplash, but the doc

> >> did not

> >> think I

> >> had any brain injury. It has been almost 2 months now since I was

> >> rear-ended

> >> by a big truck. I get dizzy spells often, and vertigo if I try to do any

> >> shopping or driving. Makes me very nauseated. Also getting " killer "

> >> migraines

> >> every day. Never had that before. I am having " high " anxiety do to the

> >> accident and severe depression. I can't

> >> stop shaking. Feels like my whole body is trembling. Unable to relax. I

> >> can't

> >> sleep

> >> for more than 2 hrs straight. Has anyone else experienced this with a

> >> whiplash injury. This is my first accident and I am 34. I am so confused. I

> >> can't seem to concentrate on anything. I would like a shoulder to lean on.

> >> Things around me seem to be falling a part. My medical insurance will no

> >> longer be paid for by my employer

> >> because my sick leave and PTO is exhausted. I have no money to continue the

> >> high premium on my own. My employer notified me of this yesterday, and

> >> in the

> >> letter in stated my insurance was paid through february 6. Is this fair? I

> >> had no prior warning.

> >> And now they tell me this 5 weeks later??? In the meantime what about

> >> all the

> >> prescriptions and doctors visits I had after Feb. 6. How was I to know???

> >> Also my employer is giving me a " hard " time about receiving my Long term

> >> disability insurance that is owed to me, since I have not worked since

> >> August

> >> of last year.

> >> They finally sent me the paperwork to get it started 6 weeks after

> >> asking for

> >> it, and

> >> 3 phone calls to this same lady. I am also told it will take 2 to 3

> >> months to

> >> get my first check. I am very, very depressed.

> >>

> >> Tears of desperation,

> >> Your friend in Pain,

> >>

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a,

Your accident & it's affects are nothing short of a disaster. There's

every reason for anxiety when it looks like your life is dangling in the

wind. But you sound a bit positive, and you have good reason to be. The

body has an amazing capacity for healing, and then there are doctors &

faith. I think it is also stressful to have to put your well-being & that

of loved ones in the hands of professionals who must only relate to what's

wrong with you, and the for a limited time. And the time we go to see

doctors is usually filled with waiting & anxiety before, and more after.

Not a pretty picture, but seems like you have the strength to adapt.

In my situation, the MRIs that showed the real damage were done several

years, at least, after the MVA. Since the chiropractor (a friend) reminded

me that the body rebuilds all of its cells every 7 years, rather than have

high-risk surgery if it was at all operable. Now it is about 9 years later,

& the pain is considerably diminished to more mild & occasional. Part of

that, however, is the better climate where I now live.

I think the bottom line is something like some words from a pop song: " you

can give up, give out, but you can never give in. " I believe for you, as

for many of us, a task equally important as treatment is to come to an

understanding of what you can & can't and perhaps just shouldn't do, &

redesign your life.

This is probably almost or even more scary than the injury, it's physical

consequences, and social consequences. I am pretty sure you have realized

all this one way or another.

So the bigger question becomes " what would you like to do, what can you

do, and how do you briefly escape the pressure of your problems?

I'm not trying to be simplistic, but moving your thoughts toward yourself

in a positive & creative way is helpful. However it also brings up a sense

of your new barriers & loss. For me, I have to remind myself of things like

this virtually always, except while petting my cat.

[Guest guest]

Dear Ken

I try to stay positive but it's not all the time...

sometimes I'm so depressed that I just want to...stop everything....

I've managed to fight that for this long....

I hope the body has a great capacity for healing....I must admit, sometimes it

seems like i'll have this pain for always....

I don't know what I want to do....because I want to get better and I know that

probably isn't possible....

I'd like to get married one day...but then how could I inflict my pain and

problems onto someone else?

I'd like to travel but even 10 mins in a car makes the pain unbearable....

Sorry...I'm not trying to see the negative...just can't see myself doing what I

want to do...become a useful member of society again, working and having fun....

And my cats are a great help *smile*....when I'm in a lot of pain, they come up

and cuddle into me because they know I'm feeling really bad....and even with the

headache, I

still love them purring in my ear! *smile*....

But I'm not as badly off as ...whose post I originally replied to...

I have loving, supportive parents and family....I don't have money worries

(yet)....

So I try to be thankful for them....

And I wish that there was something I could DO to try and make other people feel

better and feel loved...like who is having a very hard

time....HUGSSSSSSSSSS

laura.....

and to you Ken...for your time and effort in replying to

me...HUGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Thanks for your insights....

Always

a

Turbin wrote:

>

>

> a,

>

> Your accident & it's affects are nothing short of a disaster. There's

> every reason for anxiety when it looks like your life is dangling in the

> wind. But you sound a bit positive, and you have good reason to be. The

> body has an amazing capacity for healing, and then there are doctors &

> faith. I think it is also stressful to have to put your well-being & that

> of loved ones in the hands of professionals who must only relate to what's

> wrong with you, and the for a limited time. And the time we go to see

> doctors is usually filled with waiting & anxiety before, and more after.

> Not a pretty picture, but seems like you have the strength to adapt.

>

> In my situation, the MRIs that showed the real damage were done

several

> years, at least, after the MVA. Since the chiropractor (a friend) reminded

> me that the body rebuilds all of its cells every 7 years, rather than have

> high-risk surgery if it was at all operable. Now it is about 9 years later,

> & the pain is considerably diminished to more mild & occasional. Part of

> that, however, is the better climate where I now live.

>

> I think the bottom line is something like some words from a pop song:

" you

> can give up, give out, but you can never give in. " I believe for you, as

> for many of us, a task equally important as treatment is to come to an

> understanding of what you can & can't and perhaps just shouldn't do, &

> redesign your life.

>

> This is probably almost or even more scary than the injury, it's

physical

> consequences, and social consequences. I am pretty sure you have realized

> all this one way or another.

>

> So the bigger question becomes " what would you like to do, what can

you

> do, and how do you briefly escape the pressure of your problems?

>

> I'm not trying to be simplistic, but moving your thoughts toward

yourself

> in a positive & creative way is helpful. However it also brings up a sense

> of your new barriers & loss. For me, I have to remind myself of things like

> this virtually always, except while petting my cat.

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a,

I believe there are times when we need to just let it all be, but

other times & better ones do come. We need to just do what we can to hold

on to some faith.

Ken

At 04:36 PM 3/15/99 +1100, you wrote:

>

>

>Dear Ken

>I try to stay positive but it's not all the time...

>sometimes I'm so depressed that I just want to...stop everything....

>I've managed to fight that for this long....

>I hope the body has a great capacity for healing....I must admit,

>sometimes it seems like i'll have this pain for always....

>I don't know what I want to do....because I want to get better and I know

>that probably isn't possible....

>I'd like to get married one day...but then how could I inflict my pain and

>problems onto someone else?

>I'd like to travel but even 10 mins in a car makes the pain unbearable....

>Sorry...I'm not trying to see the negative...just can't see myself doing

>what I want to do...become a useful member of society again, working and

>having fun....

>And my cats are a great help *smile*....when I'm in a lot of pain, they

>come up and cuddle into me because they know I'm feeling really bad....and

>even with the headache, I

>still love them purring in my ear! *smile*....

>But I'm not as badly off as ...whose post I originally replied to...

>I have loving, supportive parents and family....I don't have money worries

>(yet)....

>So I try to be thankful for them....

>And I wish that there was something I could DO to try and make other

>people feel better and feel loved...like who is having a very hard

>time....HUGSSSSSSSSSS

>laura.....

>and to you Ken...for your time and effort in replying to

>me...HUGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>Thanks for your insights....

>Always

>a

>

>

> Turbin wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> a,

>>

>> Your accident & it's affects are nothing short of a disaster.

>> There's

>> every reason for anxiety when it looks like your life is dangling in the

>> wind. But you sound a bit positive, and you have good reason to be. The

>> body has an amazing capacity for healing, and then there are doctors &

>> faith. I think it is also stressful to have to put your well-being & that

>> of loved ones in the hands of professionals who must only relate to what's

>> wrong with you, and the for a limited time. And the time we go to see

>> doctors is usually filled with waiting & anxiety before, and more after.

>> Not a pretty picture, but seems like you have the strength to adapt.

>>

>> In my situation, the MRIs that showed the real damage were done

>> several

>> years, at least, after the MVA. Since the chiropractor (a friend) reminded

>> me that the body rebuilds all of its cells every 7 years, rather than have

>> high-risk surgery if it was at all operable. Now it is about 9 years later,

>> & the pain is considerably diminished to more mild & occasional. Part of

>> that, however, is the better climate where I now live.

>>

>> I think the bottom line is something like some words from a pop

>> song: " you

>> can give up, give out, but you can never give in. " I believe for you, as

>> for many of us, a task equally important as treatment is to come to an

>> understanding of what you can & can't and perhaps just shouldn't do, &

>> redesign your life.

>>

>> This is probably almost or even more scary than the injury, it's

>> physical

>> consequences, and social consequences. I am pretty sure you have realized

>> all this one way or another.

>>

>> So the bigger question becomes " what would you like to do, what

>> can you

>> do, and how do you briefly escape the pressure of your problems?

>>

>> I'm not trying to be simplistic, but moving your thoughts toward

>> yourself

>> in a positive & creative way is helpful. However it also brings up a sense

>> of your new barriers & loss. For me, I have to remind myself of things like

>> this virtually always, except while petting my cat.

>>

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In a message dated 3/14/99 11:05:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,

byteme@... writes:

<< Hi ;

I can't relate to the pain you must be having. I also had 2 accidents

similar to yours, >>

Hi, Mike and .

Y'all see to have had a really rough time. Because of the descriptions of

your " ailments, " I am wondering if either of you have had your doctors

consider whether or not you have fibromyalgia. I would be glad to send info

on that topic to you.

I, too, have been in several rear-end accidents (7) and one right front side

accident - all on work related duty. I finally confessed to my GP about 7

months ago that I couldn't stand the pain any more. Besides chronic muscular

pain in my shoulders, neck and back, I have chronic migraines, panic/anxiety

disorder, chronic fatigue, and stomach disorders. Turns out, all of those are

major symptoms of " fibro. " Fibro can be brought on by a traumatic incident,

such as a car accident, surgery, etc.

My bosses are terrific as they all know a much younger lady than I who had to

quit work because of the fibro. I am planning to retire at the end of July

after 28.5 years on the job; retiring 1.5 yrs early. Fortunately, my benefits

are excellent and I have been able to - with the help of the docs, meds,

bosses, and accumulated paid leave - make it this long.

Let me know if any one on this list would like info on " fibro. "

{{{and pain-free wishes}}}

Carol

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I have some very good web sites and information on SSDI to augment what y'all

already have on workers' comp. Let me know if you would like to have any of

these.

{{{and angel wishes}}}

Carol

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

We have had quite a stream of reference links from E., who does a

lot of searching. Right now she's having some surgery, so the usual link

flow is interrupted.

Sure, send them along. It can help & it can " t hurt.

Ken

At 10:27 PM 3/24/99 -0500, you wrote:

~From: MsVVarrior@...

~

~I have some very good web sites and information on SSDI to augment what y'all

~already have on workers' comp. Let me know if you would like to have any of

~these.

~

~{{{and angel wishes}}}

~Carol

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