Re: A Few Questions

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> Hi my name is Warren. I took Luvox for a year and quit taking it

> last July due to the sexual side effects. Since quiting the drug I

> have never regained my sex drive and have very weak erections. I am

> 24 and am in good physical condition (meaning I shouldn't be having

> this problem). I'm sure many of you can sympathize. I have read many

> of the past articles and I have a few questions for the group.

Hi Warren and welcome to the group. What you describe is very common.

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> 1. Has anyone continued using the products from Dr. Lin's website

> actionlove.com? If so any continuing positive side effects? any

> negative

Some people have had good results with them some not. I've never tried them.

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> 2. Has anyone encountered alopecia (hairloss) from using dopamine

> agonists or L-dopa?

It has been reported with wellbutrin for sure.

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> 3. Has Passion Rx or any other supplement continued to help anyone?

Some people have had good results with it. Brent and Zoloftscrewed for example.

I just started it

yesterday.

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> 4. Has Bethanecol been tried for it's cholinergic effects? How about

> Mianserin? (5HT2 antagonist)

I'm not aware of anybody trying bethanecol but I think somebody (Biker?) tried

mianserin with mixed

results.

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> I have found limited success with a drug called Mucinex(Guaifenesin)

> which I believe has had a slight effect on erection quality because

> it stimulates the central nervous system.

Interesting, thanks.

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> Please continue to give updates on the products you all are using. I

> would like to start trying some of these treatments but am cautious

> because of my sensitivity to drug side effects.

Yes, you should definitely do everything under a doctors supervision and start

out with low doses.

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> Thanks,

> Warren

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I switched to 100mg Wellbutrin SR last Friday and started having more side effect. The idea was SR was weaker and by night the effect would go away. I had dried mouth and my vission got worst. And in one case I had panic attack and had to take Ambient to sleep at night. I was more tired at night, but still the side effect was worst. The Dr. suggested to give myself a break for two days and start on half of 100mg. Today is my 3rd day without Wellbutrin. I have less energy than before, which may be a good thing. I can sleep an night. My sex drive seems to be OK and erection seems to be fine. I have not taken any Cialis yet. No sign of depression or anxiety. Perhaps Wellbutrin boost my dopamin level (even too much) and now I am back to normal. (if I can call it normal). I decided not to take Wellbutrin. I am taking my B6, B Complex, E Vitamin and Excercise 1 hour every day now. If that is my cure, I take that over Wellbutrin any day. I am also in the midle of some marital problem with my wife. And not surprising it is over sex. She is not interested in sex which does not help my situation. I am trying to get back to normal and I have to fight all these medication and persistant side effect and on top of that not sure what she wants. So, some of what I am going through is psycological. I will post later on on how I am doing without Wellbutrin. Maybe I try SAM-E or other herbs to boos my libido and erection. Maybe I don't need such a strong medication like Welbutrin anymore. -Steve>> Steve, have you stopped wellbutrin yet? How are you doing in any case? >

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It's good to hear things are stable so far, it certainly sounds like

wellbutrin isn't for you. I've been thinking about trying it out but

the side effects do scare me, especially anxiety and insomnia.

Please let us know if this lasting effect continues, as I sincerely

hope it does.

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> > Steve, have you stopped wellbutrin yet? How are you doing in any

case?

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I don't want to sound like Wellbutrin was a bad idea. I think in my case it did help me come out of the loop. I am hoping I could stay this way. I don't think I would be here if I did not take Wellbutrin. Perhaps my body was so sensitive to Wellbutrin and most people are not. You may want to give it a try. My wife was on 300mg each day and she was just fine with no insomnia. I have a feeling most of us are suffering from lack of dopamine and perhaps a boost in dopamin is what we need. I am not sure if Wellbutrin, or other drugs like Dostinex, is the answer for every one. -Steve>> It's good to hear things are stable so far, it certainly sounds like > wellbutrin isn't for you. I've been thinking about trying it out but > the side effects do scare me, especially anxiety and insomnia. > Please let us know if this lasting effect continues, as I sincerely > hope it does. > > --- In SSRIsex , "stevejohn_1965"

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Hi Steve,

It really does sound like it helped you " reset " and come out of the

loop with a different set point. Great. More and more evidence

points to dopamine deficiency or lack of receptor

binding/transmission being the root of all this.

Vornan

SSRIsex , " stevejohn_1965 " <stevejohn1965@g...> wrote:

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> I don't want to sound like Wellbutrin was a bad idea. I think in

my case it did help me come out of the loop. I am hoping I could

stay this way. I don't think I would be here if I did not take

Wellbutrin. Perhaps my body was so sensitive to Wellbutrin and most

people are not. You may want to give it a try. My wife was on 300mg

each day and she was just fine with no insomnia. I have a feeling

most of us are suffering from lack of dopamine and perhaps a boost in

dopamin is what we need. I am not sure if Wellbutrin, or other drugs

like Dostinex, is the answer for every one.

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> -Steve

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> > It's good to hear things are stable so far, it certainly sounds

like

> > wellbutrin isn't for you. I've been thinking about trying it out

but

> > the side effects do scare me, especially anxiety and insomnia.

> > Please let us know if this lasting effect continues, as I

sincerely

> > hope it does.

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> > --- In SSRIsex , " stevejohn_1965 "

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[Guest guest]

I used to think wellbutrin didnt fit me becuase it caused to much

side effect but recently I believe I found a right dosage for me

50mg. I used to be on 300 mg XL, and than 150mg SR and regular

100mg. It is the only thing that I have tried that has immediate

affect, it seems to reverse my agitation to nervousness. (being numb

to very being aware of your surroudings)But the thing about

wellbutrin is that it only last for a day or two and I would go back

to being numb. It doesnt seemed to have permnant affect. Maybe I

need to take them a least a year for it to be permanat like SSRI? I

have never been on it longer than 2 weeks in my life. I still prefer

to recover somehow naturally and I am saving wellbutrin way for the

last because wellbutrin only helps partially. Answer I really would

like to know is what other damages did zoloft and prozac cause other

than dopamine.

curious question: Vornan, why cant dopamine agonist or reuptaker

change gene expression ? like SSRI did.

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> > > It's good to hear things are stable so far, it certainly

sounds

> like

> > > wellbutrin isn't for you. I've been thinking about trying it

out

> but

> > > the side effects do scare me, especially anxiety and insomnia.

> > > Please let us know if this lasting effect continues, as I

> sincerely

> > > hope it does.

> > >

> > > --- In SSRIsex , " stevejohn_1965 "

> >

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I think any psychoactive medication, supplement or drug changes

cerebral gene expression. As to why SSRIs are so " good " at changing

it persistently I don't know. With some drugs like benzodiazepines

and alcohol it seems like you get a rebound phenomenon (i.e. gene

expression goes in the *opposite* direction when you come off)

rather than a persistent effect (i.e. nicotine, SSRIs) which needs

to be sudied and explained . But regardless, it could be, as you

say, that you would need to be on a dopaminergic for a longer period

of time for it to be persistent.

> curious question: Vornan, why cant dopamine agonist or reuptaker

> change gene expression ? like SSRI did.

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> > > > It's good to hear things are stable so far, it certainly

> sounds

> > like

> > > > wellbutrin isn't for you. I've been thinking about trying it

> out

> > but

> > > > the side effects do scare me, especially anxiety and

insomnia.

> > > > Please let us know if this lasting effect continues, as I

> > sincerely

> > > > hope it does.

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> > > > --- In SSRIsex , " stevejohn_1965 "

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Steve, I was wondering if you had been having problems with emotional flatness

and

if wellbutrin changed that in any way.

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> > > It's good to hear things are stable so far, it certainly sounds

> like

> > > wellbutrin isn't for you. I've been thinking about trying it out

> but

> > > the side effects do scare me, especially anxiety and insomnia.

> > > Please let us know if this lasting effect continues, as I

> sincerely

> > > hope it does.

> > >

> > > --- In SSRIsex , " stevejohn_1965 "

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[Guest guest]

Emotional Flatness !!?? I think in my case I was mostly depressed and sad over my situation, low libido and erection problem. I was angry and sad and depress. I had low energy. Wellbutrin gave me more energy and increased my libido.

Still erection is not back to normal. I don't maintain an erection during masterbation. Intercourse seems to be OK.

-Steve

Steve, I was wondering if you had been having problems with emotional flatness and if wellbutrin changed that in any way. > > >> > > It's good to hear things are stable so far, it certainly sounds > like > > > wellbutrin isn't for you. I've been thinking about trying it out > but > > > the side effects do scare me, especially anxiety and insomnia. > > > Please let us know if this lasting effect continues, as I > sincerely > > > hope it does. > > > > > > --- In SSRIsex , " stevejohn_1965 " > >

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