AAAAI - Fungi Stake a Claim in Allergic Sinusitis Pathology

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Sharon:

Since you pressed the matter and decided to throw the grapes that I was

going to make wine with, I'll add a bit of fermentation (oddly enough, the

presence of certain fungi on grapes adds to their flavor). As you see oh I

too, can get some yardage out of this.

You said:

A. " You are forming a conclusion of " This would tend to support a

non-indoor environment source/causation. " based on information that was not

even part of the equation. "

Response:

1. I couched the statement appropriately.

2. The information on prevalence by location is broadly known and not a

big surprise.

B. " Yet, your erroneous assumption fuels the controversy of location of

proximate cause. "

Response:

What erroneous assumption? (presuming you know what I was assuming)

C. " You don't even know who were the subjects of this information or

where they were exposed. Alternaria is noted as first. Aspergillus is the

second one noted. How do you know that those who experience CFS and culture

for Alternaria are not primarily campers. Maybe camper get CFS. Or that the

second group, who cultured primarily for aspergillus, are not primarily

teachers. Or maybe all the subjects were camping teachers. "

Response:

Correct, I don't. But the pattern of fungi present would suggest (not

surprisingly) that given that the outdoor air has higher mold

concentrations, that people acquire them from outside at a higher rate

because of that, and that the results here support that, I would say I'm

justified at first blush.

D. " As much as you may like to indicate this info could be used as

evidence against indoor mold exposure causing CFS, the information provided

does not support your hypothesis or determine anything one way or the other

about location of causation. You don't have enough facts to make the

assumption you just did. "

1. Not to w(h)ine, but that was the point [this info could be used as

evidence against indoor mold exposure causing CFS].

2. As for - You don't have enough facts to make the assumption you just

did. - I just did above. I have the ability and the right to make such an

assumption (even consumption). You can contest it with your own data,

labeling it as you might, or bottle it as you may, but it's still a valid

assumption.

Question: Why do we not see Chaetomium, Stachybotrys, Penicillium, or other

molds listed here?? Did the author assume they were not relevant? Did the

author not find them??

Ahhh. Back to some mead, supplied by a friend.

Tony

Braun, Eosinophilic Fungal Rhinosinusitis, A Common Disorder in Europe,

Laryngoscope, 113, 264-269, 2003

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